What brand of block off plates did you use for your G2 ZX-14? Any problems?

I have PAIR system plugged and want to simply remove it but I recently heard that a code will be triggered if the PAIR was removed. You think that removing the part would produce a code if having the system blocked as i do has not yet produced a code? I can see how that would be the case if there is a wire from the PAIR to the ECU----but I don't think there is. If the ECU relied on a sensor to tell it the PAIR was malfunctioning, mine should have done that by now.

Suggestions anyone?

* Last updated by: Rook on 12/14/2010 @ 6:43 PM *

2006-2007 Kawasaki ZX14 Billet Aluminum Exhaust Emissions Block Off Kit

2008-2010 Kawasaki ZX14 Billet Aluminum Exhaust Emissions Block Off Kit

$8 price dif... I played it safe.

Haven't removed the PAIR from my '08 yet, so I don't know if the G2 really does throw a code or not when you disconnect the PAIR... however, I do know that there is a wire connection on the PAIR and the connectors look like the ones included with Ivans '08-'10 kit. My '06 had the same wire connection on the PAIR but did not throw an FI code when disconnected.

So... I dunno, but I'm sure someone who has removed the PAIR from their G2 will speak up shortly and let me know if I spent $8 more than I needed to.

Yeah, I see the kit for the G2 includes a couple of electrical connectors that are not pictured with the G1 kit.

Here's Muzzys plates. Can't believe they would make something for Kaw thay would not work (and i consider causing a code to be not working). I think I will give them a call tomorrow. Might be following your lead on the Ivan's, Dogo.
)Block Off Plates, Reed Chamber, Kawasaki ZX-14 06-11 - Muzzys

Had Muzzy's for my '06. Woulda got them for my '08 but the FI thing had me concerned. If the '08 doesn't throw code when you disconnect the PAIR then Ivan got me.

Ok, no definitive answer... so how about this... Go out and unplug the electrical connectors on the PAIR on your bike. Start it up. No code, no need for a fix. I'd run out to the garage and do it to my bike, but with less than 100 miles on it, I don't want to start it unless I can run it through a complete heat cycle. ... or just do like I did and buy Ivans kit to be safe. Only thing better about the Muzzys is the the airbox plug is billet... then again the plastic plug in Ivans kit probably seals a little better.

* Last updated by: DogoZX on 12/15/2010 @ 11:58 AM *

Already got that suggestion at Bikeland. Can't do it. 5 degrees F. Wouldn't dream of waking poor Mimi up in that cold even if the geeeerage is 10 degrees warmer than outside.

I have a guy at Bikeland who is telling me he has Muzzy BO Plates on his 09. No FI light. Works fine. Emailed Curt at Muzzy and he says:
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Daron
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Have not heard of that issue I have looked over some chat room sites and did not find a reference.
Curtis Dorn
Sales & Technical
541-385-0706 ext-107

At 10:02 AM 12/15/2010, you wrote:
I have been told that the G2 Kawasaki ZX-14 (08-10) will trigger the FI error light if the AIS system is removed.

If install the Muzzys reed vale block off plates, is there any way to avoid the FI light from being triggered?
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When it warms up 30 degrees or so, I will try starting the 14 with any wires I can find disconnected from the PAIR. We'll see if a code comes up. I think Ivan might have got you for $10, dogo.

Those are some nice looking plates anyway. I'd get them myself but I like the billet plug that Muzzy includes with their plates.

Hey Dogo, you're younger than I am. weren't we discussing this back around the time you first started to consider a Gen 2 ZX-14? This is all starting to sound very familiar.

* Last updated by: Rook on 12/15/2010 @ 2:36 PM *

I think Ivan might have got you for $10, dogo.

What... Ivan selling something unnecesary??? No way! LOL. Atleast the wires will be terminated with a factory style cap.

I'd get them myself but I like the billet plug that Muzzy includes with their plates.

Tired of wooden dowells, huh?

weren't we discussing this back around the time you first started to consider a Gen 2 ZX-14?

Don't think so... unless you contacted me about buying my old Muzzys plates... not sure though... had a lot of email conversations while parting out that bike.

Back in '06 I just unplugged the hose and put a marble in it and plugged it back onto the valve.

Tired of wooden dowells, huh?

unless you contacted me about buying my old Muzzys plates... not sure though... had a lot of email conversations while parting out that bike.

Actually, I was after your Hindle (faux A-head) exhaust. Kicked myself in the pants for not grabbing that. I wanted your Speedohealer too but someone beat me to that one as well.

Back in '06 I just unplugged the hose and put a marble in it and plugged it back onto the valve.

I have essentially achieved the same thing by plugging the clean air hose with a dowel. I would like to just take the whole apparatus off. Lose a few ounces and clean things up under there. Mostly just personal preference.

PAIR block off to reduce backfire/popping

Guess I did some house cleaning over at Photobucket. Sorry pics all gone. Have to fix that some day.
Her's my clean air hose block. I just stuck it back in the the airbox hole where it came from.

* Last updated by: Rook on 12/15/2010 @ 9:47 PM *

I've got Block offs & pair removed on my '08. No codes, No problems.

I've got Block offs & pair removed on my '08. No codes, No problems.

Thanks Bob!

Yup. I think that confirms it---Two owners and Muzzy himself--no one is saying there is an FI code.

I'm going with Muzzys block off plates. I'll still try to give MiMi a startup with wires pulled from the PAIR if it warms up before I get the plates on there.

Save your self a few bucks and get some shim steel and make a set,
B-A

* Last updated by: battleaxe on 12/16/2010 @ 1:35 PM *

^^huh- I would do that but I've already invested so much time mulling this over that $$ don't really matter anymore. I'd spend $100 on block off plates if I was sure they would work. I guess that was Dogo's idea but it was just another $10 and a whole lot less stress.

I guess that was Dogo's idea but it was just another $10 and a whole lot less stress.

Pretty much... well that and I was ordering other stuff at the same time, so shipping was free... figured that covered the extra $$$.

As far as DIY PAIR removal plates, I like what Darryle did: no pair

Yeah, Remember seeing that and hearing about it. That might just be the best way to go about blocking off the reed valves. The OEM plate probably fits perfectly. I have seen that some of the block off plates for other bikes come with gaskets. If the after market plates don't fit tight, you will be sucking in air and increasing the tendency to pop and throwing off your o2 sensor if you have Autotune. (BTW, AT worked out great for refining my map).

Okay...enlighten me fellas...exactly WHY do you want to do this "reed valve" deal?Backfiring?.....gonna make someone mad here most likely,but....I had a Jeffo map(uh oh) installed on my PC.Nary a backfire with my TiForce slips.ONE pop...maybe...if I do it "just right".Baby runs like a raped ape.

Someone,somewhere on one of these forums was determined to tell everyone that you couldn't possibly map out the decel pop.I'm here to say...IT WAS mapped out of mine.Cause I tried "readjusting" my fuel/air mix on a map I had...one that would allow me to manipulate.There was a definite difference in backfire with the one I "thought" I could improve upon.Like I said...I CAN get mine to pop...but I have to throttle er just right to do it.Basically,she's quiet as can be.

I should say...with the Powercommander maps(from Muzzy's)for my setup....she backfired notoriously.Nor did she perform near as good as the map I've got now.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 12/17/2010 @ 2:47 PM *

It needs to be plugged to get an accurate AFR. Once it's plugged, it's not doing anything... so at that point, why not just remove it?

* Last updated by: DogoZX on 12/17/2010 @ 3:01 PM *

Okay...enlighten me fellas...exactly WHY do you want to do this "reed valve" deal?Backfiring?

You have NO cats now so you have no need for your PAIR either. won't hurt to leave the PAIR. It just sucks some air in with your exhaust and helps it burn up combustion byproducts unspent gas. That's where the POP comes from. Mine will do it if I chop throttle and engine brake 100% --POP around 4K- 3500 rpm. I actually don't mind it for sport riding --it's cool. When i first got the Cannon on there it was insane popopopopopopooBANG!!!!pop poopp pppp p p p p p. It would even crackle between gears when I was shifting at under heavy throttle. Cool for the strip. Just too much for the street. Very cool thunderous rool down 3500 to idle but above that it was popping all the time I was off throttle and i mean LOUD.

Blocking my PAIR reduced the problem 2/3. Quite manageable now. I finness the throttle in town instead of cutting and it is just natural. Stay away from less than 90 octane for me too.

I also have Autotune and that reads theh emmisions. If you have air getting sucked into your exhaust by the PAIR, the exhaust/fresh air is telling your Autotune you have too much air. SO--I ghuess the AT will suggest trims that are too rich and racing is usually lean as can be-- without melting stuff--lol. Think I got that approximately right--anyone feel free to correct me please.

I always felt a surge in power at 3.5 K. AT just about smoothed that out perfectly for me. It was a mapping issue so if jeffo is for real (?? ??) he probably did what my AT did. But I still get a healthy popping. I think that is the pipe. That thing is crazy. You've seen it. Hole the size of a grape fruit.

Once it's plugged, it's not doing anything... so at that point, why not just remove it?

Yeah just get the heck rid of it to look nice and pretty ....down there.......hehehehHHEEEEEEEe.

* Last updated by: Rook on 12/17/2010 @ 3:52 PM *

Well..between his map,and my "readjusted" one...there was a world of difference with the backfiring.Apparently he knows what to do.
Thanks for the info on the PAIR system...I honestly had no idea about any of it.

BTW ROOK...you gonna post up any more vids?They were very cool you know.I went and bought a Hero HD.Haven't been able to film riding yet...but I gotta say...this cam is the shi*.60 fps.Wide angle HD.She rocks.Can't hardly wait for the Spring thaw!!!!!This video quality with this one is like night and day.It's that good.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 12/18/2010 @ 2:42 PM *

Yeah, I'll be doing more vids. I'm really into it. I've got one sitting on my computer I've never shown. I'm uploadiong it for ya now.

The GoPro is going to become an onboard sledding cam for me and the kids this winter. Sorry not snowmobiles...just ordinary sleds. lol It is a great little cam for all sorts of stuff.

I wish there was a way to upload straight onto this site from my PC.When I uploaded to YouTube...the vid quality ended up pretty bad.

Now THAT was close!!!!WoHooo!Gotta love it though!Yours is really clear....way to go.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 12/18/2010 @ 3:35 PM *

I noticed that it took an hour or so before a vid would become really high quality. Seemed like that was more the case with the longer vids--8 minutes long. They look rather low rez for a while and then they became better quality after they were on youtube for an hour or so.

Now THAT was close!!!!

* Last updated by: Rook on 12/18/2010 @ 3:46 PM *