The owners manual TELLS you to have someone help you and to set up the suspension for your weight.
Provides charts and guidelines etc. it is not magic some engineer did. It is called a 'mean' or median set point. Doesn't work for everyone, almost no one in fact.

I shall study this closely my brotha...
Thanks for pointing me in this direction!
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True, everyone is different, 3 lines showing for me ....

Agreed Hub, that's why I said practice the basics. Twist of the Wrist II may be a hokey film but that doesn't mean it's not good advice on cornering skills. Of course you must practice the right technique hence California Superbikes or Jason Pridmore, DiSalvo etc. Each has their own style but all have produced champion level riders.

Yes, I think most bikes are good when you get to the level of a sportbike, I like just about all bike makers, (except maybe that one that has a two letter abbreviation, just kidding !) duc, aprilla (although I dont think I would want the maintenence of the aprilla) I am thinking of picking up a used CBR 1000 to mess around on, its in showroom condition and has LOW miles, and I can probably get for $5000, not a bad street 1000 ? it's a 2004 though..

I have the '07 CBR 1000RR, great street bike, '04 should be just as good. It's a goldfish with a very bad attitude, likes to feed on raw piranha.

* Last updated by: Kruz on 6/24/2013 @ 1:07 PM *

The owners manual TELLS you to have someone help you and to set up the suspension for your weight.
Provides charts and guidelines etc. it is not magic some engineer did. It is called a 'mean' or median set point. Doesn't work for everyone, almost no one in fact.

That's sag height, it is what it is. I was talking about High/Low Speed compression and rebound settings, oil level and viscosity, cartridge kits, fork and shock revalving, heavier or softer springs etc.

You can't go wrong with a basic sag height spring preload, the rest of suspension tuning is more of a black art than science and no two riders will prefer the same settings. Look at Hayden and Rossi on the Ducati GP12, different setup but same bike.

Best to talk to a suspension expert when going this deep as it's easy to get lost in the forest if you get my drift.
That's why the Ohlins guy is busy at the track on race day. Just my .02, take it for what it's worth.

* Last updated by: Kruz on 6/24/2013 @ 12:47 PM *

Hubmeister, will 64 ever be returning to the deep end of the wading pool? Looks like the pee-ra-nah may have run into a school of bare- o'-cuda!

* Last updated by: Kruz on 6/24/2013 @ 1:00 PM *

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=-OR9wBkUP8w&NR=1

Go 10:22 = Electronics... And, watch his launches and what size engines they are? It means, he can out brake a lot of riders. Back to the rider, not the bike. He may have the only rr? Not sure, but I don't see any he's passing as another rr?

I'll show 64 a little bike glitch, a little riding skill, and now where is that bike and why is it not winning? Because the winners are not on the rr? Unless there is a sharp Canadian here that knows their racing in that neck of the woods.

* Last updated by: Hub on 6/24/2013 @ 3:20 PM *

Asshole infidels racing in queertar under that championship joke is a 10r is the points leader. An rr is second in points, a zuk 3rd, 4th a hon and another rr is 4th, call it 5th in points.

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/more-from-this-past-weekends-various-motorcycle-road-races/

And 64, with all those fast rr's, 3 sue shes are eating up the octobeerfests LOL

* Last updated by: Hub on 6/24/2013 @ 5:13 PM *

So... based on currently available race data, it would appear the Japanese scooter/pilot combo is somewhat more effective (read podium) than the European/pilot combo.

Hmmm. This data would appear to refute, in some part, the "ragazine's" assessment of scooter tech.

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Wish someone in Ontario could dial in my suspension all this technical talk is making my head spin! Hub I won 150 bucks on lotto! That is 1:1000 of what we need to organize a team for the TT next 2014. Good news! We are one thousandth away!!!

Let's make the lotto gods wave its magic TT wand on us. I'm about ready to fill up a bucket list. Well, according to some new owner of a rr, one made mention of... 'Don't believe everything you read in the rag, on the net, a circle jerk, etc.' Makes that ass come out in assuming.

BS, Wolfy. It's not tech. It's 'spring sag' vs your weight on and off the bike find the middle and spring is now at your sag weight. Rebound is how fast do you want it to plant the wheels back on the ground? Compression is how much do you want your neck to snap your head down on the gas tank?

Coming up, you open up. Going down you open up. Want hard and like wearing a neck brace? Screw it in so the spring is out of the picture, where your knees and neck take up the difference. So, spring is in the middle, the dials are in the middle, where only your neck knows for sure.

Actually Kruz, what you said is we should basically leave it all alone. Till we ride the wheels off it. Well, the book also addresses rebound and compression damping. Easy on the 14R for any OWNER to adjust as it is covered in the OWNERS MANUAL. Nothing about rebound or compression is a black art. It is a simple adjustment that actually makes a quantifiable difference. As for swapping out cartridges and setting oil level and picking viscosity, that is not magic either. A witch did not assemble your bike. A man did. It is easy to, at a minimum, follow the manual right? Next step we might all be thinking on our own and we might even figure something out. Nah. I'll trust the witch that flung this thing together. She knows I ride like me and you like you. That is why she took the technical, adjustable, settings, and put em at a basic setting. That is why our own manual advises on setup. Because it is a black art we should leave alone and never learn. Is everyone just fucking with cblast??? :))

No,no, spin those clickers Cblast, knock your lights out if it's working for you. Why was your suspension set up so poorly from Mother Teapot would be my only question?

That is why she took the technical, adjustable, settings, and put em at a basic setting. That is why our own manual advises on setup.

She put them at basic settings that work extremely well in most cases. When you can out ride the basic settings then it's time to tinker was my point.

Being able to turn a dampening screw and pour fork oil down a tube is hardly rocket science but also doesn't qualify you as a top suspension tuner like Jeff Nash or Joey Lombardo.

You over simplify a bit but maybe Yoshimura or Graves MotoSport will hire you as an ace tuner, just don't forget your owners manual.

It had six lines of front preload showing, I weigh 185, I need less than 5 lines showing to achieve 28mm of sag. As to the magic and the whys I know not. I just know if I spin the red thingy righty I get it set correct. Same with rebound and compression damping. I don't spin away as you say. I adjust until I achieve my desired feel. It took one adjust ment of preload front and rear. And two adjustments of front and rear rebound. I must have stayed awake at hogwarts or some shit. It didn't confuse me, nor baffle, nor intimidate me. It was as easy as changing oil or anything else that is a part of owning a machine that I trust at 180+. Sometimes a small engineered adjustment results in a solid performance gain. Doing this is easy and free and results in a huge difference in handling, especially on a bike like the R, where the adjustments and springs are in the right range stock. Couldn't get my duc to say the rear end correctly without a spring change. Stock. Talk about pissed. This bike is easy to adjust and handles fing awesome when setup correctly. I like knowing my shit is right because I did it.

It's the owners manual that tells ya how to adjust it buddy. Have you read yours?

Are you serious kruz? You think they need an ace tuner to add some fork oil to the line and measure it twice? Have you ever rebuilt a set of forks? Any fuckin forks? It is not complicated. I don't need a job from yoshimura to adjust my suspension. Stick your head back up your ass. It's dark in there at least. Someone might fill your fork oil for ya while you meditate on your preload. You proved you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

A witch did not assemble your bike. A man did.

Heh, heh, yes a man who obviously knew what he was doing engineered, designed and tuned it. That is why when you need brain surgery you don't look in the yellow pages for a plumber.

You have obviously misunderstood my statement, I simply pointed out that mindlessly tweaking suspension screws without a clear idea of what the issue is and where you are going is foolish. When you can ride the bike well enough to identify an issue, then it's time to break out the screwdrivers.

OK, I'm done.

At any point did you hear me advise to mindlessly spin them adjuster? Did ya? Or did you hear me offer to help and explain and even post pics o the owners manual the R comes with?

Cblast, when you grow up enough to carry on a discussion without resorting to profanity let me know. I was rebuilding forks before you were in diapers most likely. You have twisted everything I've said out of context then resorted to personal attacks and crude language no doubt to compensate for your lack of vocabulary.

Have a nice evening!

Let me dummy it down for you. Your suspension is a tube with some oil in it. Up top is a rod that has a plunger on it. The plunger end goes in tube. Outside the tube is a spring. The plunger has holes in it that let the oil past at a certain rate. When you adjust preload you are adjusting overall stiffness. This is done by pressure against that spring. The rebound and compression are done by making the holes that the oil moves through on the plunger larger or smaller. The adjustments also can isolate the paths the oil travels through. Or in the case of the 10r the use one tube for compression and one for rebound, allowing the fluid to only do one job and resist breakdown longer as well as do that one job better. These things are simple, easy concepts. Easy to adjust. The fing r even comes with good springs and good oil in them tubes and holes that adjust CONSISTENTLY and resist warping or twisting due to oil heat or foaming during its constant and stressfull life of movement. These are not just my 'theories'. I understand this shit. Why don't you?

* Last updated by: Cblast on 6/24/2013 @ 9:13 PM *

No, you told everyone to leave their bikes alone till they were awesome. Then you said get a shop to do what our owners manual explains in English? I resorted to profanity out of frustration at your retardation.

Kruz wrote:

When you are riding fast enough to outride the stock suspension and start having handling problems, now it's time to start tweeking things slowly and methodically.

There's my exact quote from my previous post, pretty clear and easy to understand, did you even bother to read it?

Let me rewrite it more to your way of thinking Cblast.

"Before you have enough riding experience on your new machine to clearly identify any handling issues, pull out your owners manual and screwdriver and begin turning high and low speed compression and rebound adjustment screws. Also change your fork oil to a different viscosity."

There, much better now.

* Last updated by: Kruz on 6/24/2013 @ 9:26 PM *