No, you told everyone to leave their bikes alone till they were awesome. Then you said get a shop to do what our owners manual explains in English? I resorted to profanity out of frustration at your retardation.

I think you're trying to pull my leg here Cblast, go back and read my exact statement again, two or three times if necessary until you fully understand it. Where did I ever use the word "awesome", you're simply putting words in my mouth that I didn't say.

Let me rephrase what I said so that even you can grasp it.

"When you can clearly identify a suspension issue then and only then is it time to fix it."

Is that clear enough?

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""When you can clearly identify a suspension issue then and only then is it time to fix it."....yup...however...you do have to figure out just where you want to spend your riding style at.That's majorly important.You read that manual....you see where it recommends certain 'speed' and 'road condition'....okay...so THAT's the key here....where do you spend your riding.The dragstrip?FAST twisty corners?BIG sweeps and high speeds?Shitty roads?You gotta get that sorted first.See what she does on those(whatever you're riding mainly on)then go from there.It won't cover every aspect....but there is a medium you can get if you do a bit of trading off.

Tires is another thing...what kind and what shape are they in...can they safely handle what you're asking the bike to do?Seriously.The rubber is the critical point in all this.You can't expect your 'shit' tires to help the bike perform to it's top level...unless you intend to go out and get yerself killed.

I have a theory on suspension, leave it the heck alone until you can outride the stock suspension settings. The factory spent a great deal of money and hard work getting the basic suspension settings correct for a wide range of variables. It is hard to imagine someone with limited or no understanding of suspension (complex subject) armed only with a screwdriver and spring spanner improving on what the experts at the factory came up with.
When you are riding fast enough to outride the stock suspension and start having handling problems, now it's time to start tweeking things slowly and methodically.
I've seen guys really bugger up the suspension on their bikes by not knowing what they're doing but then again, that's why the owners manual lists the stock settings.

You would have to define 'outride the stock suspension settings' for me before I can leap to a sarcastic 'awesome'. As far as the rest of that blather, its, be afraid leave it alone cause you have seen idiots fuck it up? Well maybe with your vast knowledge you should have helped instead of throwing your hands in the air and saying 'shoulda left her stock'.
Yup. You are right. You convinced me. I am putting mine back to stock settings. Fantastic idea!

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So ______ Fill in the blank, how come you are way back here in 9th place? Last race you were on podium. Fill in; Well, my team has been working rear hard at setup and we are struggling this qualification round. I'm looking for two good screw it/set it/win it/suspension tuners. You know any? Well good luck, Fill in, beatshit outta me?

Let's move up a row and ask, _____ Fill in the blank how he's doing? So Fill, how in the fuck did you wind up way back here in the second row? Well, my team has been working so hard to make this thing steer this track, but our notes from last year do not work this time round. In fact, why my team takes note to begin with for setup is she is plowing the front. Shit, they don't have a clue, you think if I raise the oil level or how about this screw here? Have you asked Lenny?

Let's go talk to Lenny. Say Lenny, you're running up and down that pit, you'd think you'd lose a few pounds finding an adjustment here or there? Well commentator, I've been squeezing these sausage buns and I may know how to rebuild these things like no other, but to set it up? I'm running up and down the pits with my head in a spin I've been spinning screws slots and shit, I ain't gotta clue?

Okay, let's move up to the front row. Let's see if we can get a word in with the top qualifier, ______ Fill in the blank. Blank? How's it going? Well, the front end is sort of skating along and my team has been working hard to eliminate that, so we used Fill in's notes and here we are.

* Last updated by: Hub on 6/24/2013 @ 9:45 PM *

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And grn! You are absolutely right! Tires are a major factor, probably THE most underrated performance aspect of the bike from a private owner standpoint.

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Nice Hub! You do have me cold. Absolutely cold on that math!

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I'm riding straight upright. I have this sharp slam to the spine. My head is heavy with helmet and I am now looking at the tank. I recover and now I have to catch my breath the road was that bad hitting that bump. Yep, fucking tires!

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I guess all I was suggesting was that people should seek to get their bikes set up correctly. If they learn to do it themselves it seems to lend a greater level of pride of ownership and understanding of the machine. Strengthens the bond if you will. I was willing to offer help and advice with that if needed. I shouldn't get wrapped around the axle if everyone wants to oversteer into traffic or plow into the Armco. Happing apexing!

* Last updated by: Cblast on 6/24/2013 @ 9:58 PM *

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You would have to define 'outride the stock suspension settings' for me before I can leap to a sarcastic 'awesome'. As far as the rest of that blather, its, be afraid leave it alone cause you have seen idiots fuck it up? Well maybe with your vast knowledge you should have helped instead of throwing your hands in the air and saying 'shoulda left her stock'.
Yup. You are right. You convinced me. I am putting mine back to stock settings. Fantastic idea!

You're suspension is the least of your problems bro, you're like talking to a brick wall. Good night!

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But Kruz, I don't have problem with my suspension, I adjusted it until my desired handling attributes were acquired. You missed that part did you? It was Wolf was thinking of tackling this, maybe you could drop some pearls of wisdom??? Ha HAHAHAHAHHH! Stop it, ur killin me!

* Last updated by: Cblast on 6/24/2013 @ 10:06 PM *

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LOL C...

If they learn to do it themselves it seems to lend ... understanding of the machine.

I feel your frustration. Let it ride. You both have two valid approaches to the suspension. Dial it in if you know what you are doing or ride it and figure it out some as you feel the harsh or softness of it. Or, until you achieve some sort of happy balance or plushness to it.

Because plush is not race set. Race is hard and planted back fast. Yeah, but how to get there? But to get that daylight in the apex on lift, goes away on throttle. Watch the sun's shadow and that front wheel and you can see it for yourself.

Are these guys struggling with a speed differential? You know that change in wind sound you go fast and that pitch has a new phenom to it? Same would be how a wobble begins? Same as how daylight begins? How are you going to chase that is how I see Fill in the blank struggles with it on the track. It's a certain area that no matter the click... Ain't gonna help. Same as a wobble induced and a dampener is in play. Same as saying a click is in play... No notes will help in a way.

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So if Lenny sucks at it, very few understand it, you see the pits struggle for grip and washing front ends, Lenny should have a grasp on it, but I don't see him curing those nagging phenoms. Does it boil down to a black art? If you have a lot of experience and see how a tire can curl, gumball, be smooth at the chicken stripes, I've see the gumballs disappear in the right to left turn hands of skilled operator. So is it black art or a lot of pit experience?

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Hey guys!!! I was thinkin of gettin a 2014 YZ450F for my next bike!! Whadda ya think?!!

Sic

* Last updated by: sickninja on 6/24/2013 @ 10:23 PM *

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Couldn't help but think of you when I saw this Cblast:

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=QCq2T7zclXY&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DQCq2T7zclXY

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I'm thinking of a single myself. Nice FI piggy, pipe, wide rims and some stickies. Canyon squirter, steel shoes or a lot of cleats.

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You have to spend time riding and figuring out just HOW you intend to ride.And where.You figure that out...and pretty much tune it to perform well over and in those conditions...you have it.OR...you go and reach around(as has been noted elsewhere) and speak with Mr.Ohlin or someone else equally rich;)I don't think you can get her adjusted in accurately if you spend time riding on every road you can find.But if you can find a 'circuit' on the street where you can repeat the ride conditions over and over...then you can dial her in fairly close...I think anyway.I believe mine is pretty well set now for the kind of roads and riding I'm doing now.As you change your riding styles...then you'll find some other 'quirky' behaviors from the setup you may have now...and you'll have to readjust again...but you'll have a much better feel for what you want...and it'll be much easier to dial her in.

"I'm riding straight upright. I have this sharp slam to the spine. My head is heavy with helmet and I am now looking at the tank. I recover and now I have to catch my breath the road was that bad hitting that bump. Yep, fucking tires!"...save it Mr answer man...next time try riding that bump on the balls of your feet....jerk;)It's a sportbike...not a fuckin 900 lb whale.You wantta keep yer fatass planted in the seat...that's what the fuck you get...a compressed neck...sheesh...and you rode professionally?I was talking about TIRES in a cornering situation...not the freeway asshole;)

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OMG!!!! Thats one Funny Fuckin Video Cruz!!!! LMFAO!!!

Of course nobody has said a damn word about my YZ yet! DANG!

Sic

* Last updated by: sickninja on 6/24/2013 @ 10:38 PM *

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Yes, get that 450F and build a SuperMotard or even better, I think
Roland Sands put together a full road racing package for that thing. They are so light they'd be a freakin blast on
a race track.

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Well I've got an R6 track bike. That's it in the background there by my trailer. I was thinkin more of taking it out a skinnin my dumbass up in the dirt! You know...make your teeth look like you just finished eating Nestle's Quik out of a spoon! LOL
Oh and buy the way that's Dane Westby's old Suzuki sitting there by it.
Sic

* Last updated by: sickninja on 6/24/2013 @ 11:00 PM *

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Okay...was a bit harsh...sorry.Using your legs works wonders...any horsemen out there?

My Ex-Wife was like riding a bucking Clydesdale. Does that count? LOL

Sic

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Hell yeah that counts;)

Yep, fucking tires!"...save it Mr answer man...next time try riding that bump on the balls of your feet....jerk;)

Hey, first time on the road. Found a lonely place to test. Did I know it was coming up? Did you see that rail vid? See me move avoiding the bumps at speed?

It's a sportbike...not a fuckin 900 lb whale.

It's called ride the wheels off of any thin you fork'inn Pussy Uprighter!

You wantta keep yer fatass planted in the seat...that's what the fuck you get...a compressed neck...sheesh...and you rode professionally?I was talking about TIRES in a cornering situation...not the freeway asshole;)

Go watch the shadow camera. Corner your ass why don't you try one. I've run ching shin tires and tagged the kick stand, so where does this tire come into play over a bump? Leaned over you are just ass upright suspension wise. It is still going to go over the bumps an push the spring up, push the oil out the hole you asshole mr. ant seer man.

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Whew thanks Grn!!! I never got a full 8 seconds out of her but twice and she BIT me both times and I took a heal to the groin on 1!!! LMFAO

Sic

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"I'm riding straight upright. I have this sharp slam to the spine. My head is heavy with helmet and I am now looking at the tank. I recover and now I have to catch my breath the road was that bad hitting that bump. Yep, fucking tires!"...save it Mr answer man...next time try riding that bump on the balls of your feet....jerk;)It's a sportbike...not a fuckin 900 lb whale.You wantta keep yer fatass planted in the seat...that's what the fuck you get...a compressed neck...sheesh...and you rode professionally?I was talking about TIRES in a cornering situation...not the freeway asshole;)

Easy now Grn, you're both friends of mine so let's keep it civil
and agree to discuss without attacking each other. Same thing Hubmeister, behave your azz....lol!

OK, you brought up an excellent point Grn or actually several.
Body positioning and how you move with the bike has a huge impact on how the machine reacts, using your legs as part of the suspension softens those big, high speed G out bumps that would normally necessitate adding low speed compression on both ends and then more low speed rebound to control the kick back. Those adjustments might affect handling on other parts of the track and not necessarily in a good way. Every change you make is going to effect other parts of the handling equation so the necessity to think it through.

OK Hub, that big dip that sent you into the tank, how fast we're you going, 100mph, 120? You're newbie buddy just cleared that same section with zero issues.....but he's only able to hit it at 50 mph. He has no problem since he's not fast enough for the bump to become a problem. Should he dial in some compression damping to take the hit or wait until he has enough speed coming off of that last corner to make the bump an issue?

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