"There ya go Green, that's what we've been trying to tell you all along!"....nothing wrong with knowing your limitations.I think that's a smart move.

So what's the "Holy Grail" of track bikes?The Beemer?The zx10?Ducati?....when will you know what your power and handling 'cutoff''s gonna be?Or will you continue to 'search' for that perfect track bike 'forever'.

Just what IS your perfect track bike?I KNOW what MY 'perfect' street bike is.One that I'll probably NEVER push to the very limit of it's capability.I don't intend too.I'm good with that.It won't fly around a track trying to be something it's not.Not with me anyway.I'm good with that also.And you'll never hear me say to anyone here or anywhere else...'your bike just sucks...it can't do 0 to 60 in 'whatever' seconds.Regardless of what make it is.What the heck ya gonna do at 190 mph?GO STRAIGHT.so what's the big deal about having a bike that'll easily do that?We ALL have bikes that'll do that.That's not the whole ride.And neither is carvin the twisties.Or burnin rubber at the stoplight.

That's not what I'm riding for.I ride cause I enjoy the nuances of putting her through her paces...and stretchin my limits a bit more each time.And havin a close call once in a while.And learnin how to stay alive while rollin on the best bike made.And feelin my azz pucker when I just don't get it quite right.And havin that feeling of KNOWING I'm gettin it right at times.That's why I love the 14.

"Has to be some doubt... let's find out".

I can't...I work.Gimme...say....9 more years...I'll try to get down there...wherever 'there' is.

I'll come to you... Wanna see some of them triple digit sweepers... not many of them around here... Plus, about 15 years ago, I built a dock on Flathead Lake, and I'd like to see how it has held up... That was a fun job... Got to use lotsa dynamite.

* Last updated by: DogoZX on 1/12/2012 @ 9:46 AM *

Just read the March Sport Rider take on the new BMW S 1000 RR. They include a "dyno" chart but don't say its origin.
I suspect its from BMW and determined "at the crank"? Anyway the graph shows over 70 foot-lbs (95Nm) available from about 8k to 14K rpm. Peak occurs at 82.5 ft-lb (112 Nm)and 11k rpm. At 11k rpm the hp output, on the rise, breaks 170
and stays above that to 14K rpm; hp peaks at almost 190 hp and 13K rpm; dropping only 4 to 5 hp at 14k rpm.

The SR online blog, which I will try to link below, estimates the rear tire power to reach about 180 hp on the new RR.

This makes an interesting comparison to the 14 R from the stock dyno charts we have seen taken at the rear tire.
The ZX makes over 90 ft-lb (122 Nm) of torque over about the same range of rpm (6k) tween 5k and 11k rpm. Torque peaks at about 112+ ft-lbs (152+ Nm) at 7.8k rpm. Meanwhile the 14 R breaks 170 hp at about 7.8k rpm and goes on to peak at between 190 and 195 hp at 10k rpm and drops to about 185+ hp at 10.8k rpm.

I purposely chose rpm ranges about the peak hp measurements for each machine that were the same (3k rpm) and initiating about the torque peak for each machine. The figures are interpretations from the charts for stone stock machines that were available to me and any errors in interpretation are all mine.
So there's my disclaimer, lol.

Here"s the SR link (I hope): [link]New 2010 BMW S 1000 RR First Ride | Featured Sport Bikes Blog & Opinions at Sport Rider Magazine [link] Edit: OK, here's the URL: http://blogs.sportrider.com/6579154/featured-sport-bikes/new-2010-bmw-s-1000-rr-first-ride/

I'm guessing the new Panigale with its 1 3/4 inch stroke (?) is likely to produce figures similar to the BMW, what do you think? Has anyone seen charts on the Duc?

* Last updated by: PaulAB on 1/12/2012 @ 10:31 AM *

What if Green really did get that "Perfect Uber Bike" that we all dream about

I don't know Kruz! MotoGP and WSBK. They have the best state of the art stuff but you see them getting off the bike and they are cursing lol. RG seems to be the only racer who is always satisfied lol
It all depends to how you relate or define a motorcycle. Green says he's done after this one while somebody could have said the fireblade was the pinnacle of sport motorcycles evolution. I'm hedonistic, I like to indulge when I can so we're not here judging guys who made the jump (especially when I'm going to be one of them down the road) but challenging them to provide a logical answer beside the fact that they just wanted the new bike. Nobody here is out riding the 14.

You know the thing with green... When it comes to riding satisfaction on a ZX-14 (R) it's hard to have it better than him. He's got all those big triple digit sweepers, virtually no traffic and no LE breathing down his neck. After seeing Green videos I'll have to say that if I lived there, I wouldn't want to get a liter. But I don't live there! 180 hp gets me more trouble than I can handle so although I am looking forward to the CC increase , I'm going to need more improvements to make the jump. That's why I need something who can come outta the exit of a tight turn and still propel me to triple digit on the straights. Something like that so I can go somewhere where they look at you funny when you are not going fast enough.

I'll come to you... Wanna see some of them triple digit sweepers...

I haven't seen anything as far as dyno# for the panigale but even if it beats the Beemer it'll be by 1-2hp IMO. The 14R has definitely more power and a more linear curve BUT we're comparing a 1000cc to 1400cc isn't that crazy?
The liter class is violating hyper bike territory but the hyper bikes are not even coming close when it comes to handling. I don't expect the 14R to find the apex everywhere but I'm hoping kawazaki will find a way to make it handle way better than a Busa.

What get's me is all the hyperbole in the magazine articles when it comes to the BMW. I've got a copy of British mag Fast Bikes where they test the 2011 BMW S1000RR head to head against the new ZX-10R and the rest of the literbike entourage.

The Euro version of the 10R tested at 175 rear wheel HP and was over 20 lbs lighter than the BMW. The Beemer had maybe 5 more rear wheel HP but you'd think it was laying down at least 1000 more the way they hyped it up.

Silly talk about acceleration from the BMW that made your eyes bleed and shifting into hyperspace drive...that kind of editorial, hyperbolic hogwash! As if a bike that put out 5 HP less and was 20 lbs lighter wouldn't do the same....gimme a freakin break!

The magazines control the sales, they act like the GSXR 1000 is nothing more than a low powered scooter now that it hasn't had a recent update, no wonder Suzuki can't even give one away. The thing is still bloody fast with over 160 rear wheel HP and with most riders on board would spank the Beemers botty around a track!

It's all nonsense. I noticed that Michael Dunlop kicked Beemer butt in this years Isle of Mann TT Superstock race, there wasn't a BMW within sight at the finish.

I'm sick of BMW hype, OK rant off!

Green says he's done after this one

But let us not forget that Green has reached the pinnacle, a summit as it were, that lesser mortals among us can only dream of achieving. Where else is there to go when you have reached the top, the highest plateau? He has assumed a state of almost metaphysical, motorcycling nirvana. A transcendental, dream-like state of existence where the very laws of physics are twisted and battered into submission by an unrelenting, virtual torrent of torque unleashed by his powerful right hand. The rest of us can only stand back in slack jawed awe and wonder at this display of asphalt scorching, mind warping, Über power. I quake and shudder at the very sight of such magnificence!

* Last updated by: Kruz on 1/12/2012 @ 1:22 PM *

...but I'm no 'skilled rider' by any means. That's what I've been told anyway

Naaahh, go on, who told you that?

when I twisted the throttle in 1st and 2nd,and opened er up...my head actually got light

...are you taking any OTC meds?

Honestly,this bike right now is so far ahead from my 07....I can't really describe it.

Yea, OK Green, we got that...like about 13 pages ago...

* Last updated by: Kruz on 1/12/2012 @ 1:24 PM *

It just 'feels' better for one thing...

Did you check your '07 for a bent wheel or flat tire by any chance?

"I'll come to you... Wanna see some of them triple digit sweepers... not many of them around here... Plus, about 15 years ago, I built a dock on Flathead Lake, and I'd like to see how it has held up... That was a fun job... Got to use lotsa dynamite."....Okay..that'd be fine.PM me for my address.Ice on the ground right now...but in a couple of weeks...should be dry roads again.Bring your pink.Do you have a way to get back?.I know I could sell your bike pretty darn quick here.Let me know Dogo.You know where Flathead Lake is apparently.I'm VERY near that.We can set it all up once you've confirmed you'll be here.

Kruz shouldn't have any problem takin some time off...maybe you and he can team up and give me a run for my money.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/12/2012 @ 2:23 PM *

"It just 'feels' better for one thing..."

Did you check your '07 for a bent wheel or flat tire by any chance?

Don't have to look that far, Kruz.<--- Click

Grn, your '07 was tired.
Tried to nicely tell ya before... but you got all huffy puffy.
Now don't you go deleteing more shit from that thread.

Okay..that'd be fine.PM me for my address.Ice on the ground right now...but in a couple of weeks...should be dry roads again.Bring your pink.Do you have a way to get back?.I know I could sell your bike pretty darn quick here.Let me know Dogo.You know where Flathead Lake is apparently.I'm VERY near that.We can set it all up once you've confirmed you'll be here.

You gettin' all serious now?... You win... You'll smoke me... Going to my room.

"You gettin' all serious now?".Well...yeah.Both you guys think it's pretty funny to try and turn my words into somethin they're not sayin...so...yeah....You know the Flathead....shouldn't be any problem rippin me a new one,yes?You know I'm full o' caca....so there's really nothin to be concerned with.Piece of cake for both of ya.I've got the cameras and all.It'll be fun beatin down this ole geezer.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/12/2012 @ 2:36 PM *

"You gettin' all serious now?".Well...yeah.Both you guys think it's pretty funny to try and turn my words into somethin they're not sayin...so...yeah....You know the Flathead....shouldn't be any problem rippin me a new one,yes?

Spent a whopping 2 weeks there, 15 years ago, tearing it up in a Chevy 1-ton... so yeah, would have no problem "rippin you a new one".

But like said above, you win, I concede.

"tearing it up in a Chevy 1-ton... so yeah, would have no problem "rippin you a new one"". No Dogo...my taurus won't keep up with your chevy 1 ton I'm pretty sure.

Bikes...that's what we're gonna be riding....bikes

Okay...so you concede then.My FIRST offer then still stands.I'll come to you...when it's possible...IF I can manage to leave here for two weeks straight...sometime in the future here...how would that be?I can't do anything with getting away from here at this point...my Mom needs to have me here...she's hittin 90.Not doing so well mentally.I'm quite concerned.She's the BEST!And here's her loving son...with his only 'fun' deal.

I'll bring the cameras.No prob.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/12/2012 @ 2:54 PM *

I think that more power in the form of faster acceleration is a given when it comes to bikes and I welcome it. The sad part is when they don't make other major improvements. The beemer is overrated manly because lots of people didn't think you could get around a track relatively well with so much power. Until then 190 hp was reserved for hyper and race bikes.
Don't worry Kruz, the hype will be over soon. With more grunt the ZX-10R would have been on top this year and like you said: to be dethroned probably the following year. lol
One more thing is that mag testers are pros and usually talk like them. When you hear Lorenzo talk about his yam, you think Stoner does a 30 sec faster lap on his honda. Manufacturers understand that to sell bikes you have to "sell" them to the mag testers and most of them are ex-racers. Most of us read the article and forget we were not born on a racetrack.
I'm going to try the ergos on the CBR1000 tomorrow. Price for a leftover won't be as good as the zx-10R though. I'm going to look for older bikes as well. From 2005 on all you need is better brake pads and suspensions. So the ergos and mileage are #1 on my list. Dogo zx-10 looks sweet!

"tearing it up in a Chevy 1-ton... so yeah, would have no problem "rippin you a new one"". No Dogo...my taurus won't keep up with your chevy 1 ton I'm pretty sure.

Shoulda gotta Stratus

Bikes...that's what we're gonna be riding....bikes

No... we are not.

Okay...so you concede then.My FIRST offer then still stands.I'll come to you...when it's possible...IF I can manage to leave here for two weeks straight...sometime in the future here...how would that be?

Not good.

I can't do anything with getting away from here at this point...my Mom needs to have me here...she's hittin 90.Not doing so well mentally.I'm quite concerned.She's the BEST!

Below the belt... but good for you, being there for your family... Important.
When a loved one is not doing well, it makes all else seem arbitrary.

Dogo zx-10 looks sweet!

This is my 14... Same day, same dyno:

But my 10r weighs 100lbs less than my 14.

"Below the belt"...that's NOT an excuse.My Mom.I aint lookin for a 'way out' to anything I've said about our 'internet race'.I'm dead serious.

"Okay...so you concede then.My FIRST offer then still stands.I'll come to you...when it's possible...IF I can manage to leave here for two weeks straight...sometime in the future here...how would that be?"

"Not good".There ya go.Not my words....yourn.

"Below the belt"...that's NOT an excuse.My Mom.I aint lookin for a 'way out' to anything I've said about our 'internet race'.I'm dead serious.

"Okay...so you concede then.My FIRST offer then still stands.I'll come to you...when it's possible...IF I can manage to leave here for two weeks straight...sometime in the future here...how would that be?"

"Not good".There ya go.Not my words....yourn.

Did you forget to wear a respirator when you rattle canned all that shit on your bike?

I'm waving the flag... but you're not paying it any mind... Gone all keyboard gangster 'n shit.

I was kidding when I said, "race for pinks"... you knew it... and so did everyone else.

Sorry that life is being tough on you right now.

Green we're just teasing. Nobody is going to come race you. life is too short. Stay close to your mother and enjoy your machine.

Dogo. You've got two well dialed in intergalactic ballistic missiles!!

Are 08-11 ZX-10R parts interchangeable? If yes. I need to start buying a few parts and hide them until the wife gives the ok for the second bike lool

"Gone all keyboard gangster 'n shit".... "Country Bumpkin"....I don't know nothun about 'gangsta'.

I don't WANT you to 'wave the flag'.

"Sorry that life is being tough on you right now".

"I was kidding when I said,......."....you ARE kidding with that last statement,yes?My life is doing GREAT!Thanks for askin!

Thanks Drag for the nice thoughts there .

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/12/2012 @ 4:01 PM *

Are 08-11 ZX-10R parts interchangeable?

Some stuff is... some isn't... Anything specific you're thinking about?

you ARE kidding with that last statement,yes?My life is doing GREAT!Thanks for askin!

No I was not kidding... just apparently incorrect... Guess we deal with things differently.

I'm very concerned about several members of my family, ATM... and would definitly consider right now a "tough" time.