Hub, I'm not disagreeing with you, just trying to set that "broke" parameter. These changes are subtle over time, maybe if I rode a 14 with fresh synch I would see the difference?

64 jumps on the BM, fastest bike he's ever ridden and 9K limiter still in place? Basketball wheelies in full factory choke mode... WTH??? Did he come from
a moped? I'm still laughing! I have respect for the RR but don't pull on Cody! Gain the experience then talk the talk....02!

Yes you would and I believe you especially could tell. There are fingerprints and there are Assprints. A guy comes in with a suzi marauder 700 twin. When I completed the sync I could not believe the difference. From idle to cruise it was impressive. I more lucked out on the final nut tightening? You walk the screw and it's do it over again. So you compensate some. And especially at KRUZ mode, you are missing it with each bike you own. I would see the linkage fall out of sync within hundreds of miles: I had my share of individual linkages matching up to 3 others, 2 others, or 1 other. But with the way FI bodies are made, they are much easier to adjust theses days, sans the contortions of the hands & wrists.

Use is missing it and Cody's 2 buddies are quite disturbed that the wrists are not being contorted sooner than later on this bike here. So I squeeze is them saying relax, go to sleep it ain't broke, just buzzezzzzzzzzz.

Ass for MAN and his rear end's expectations, I think he's got a little more than, 'this is my 1st bike' experience.

Hub, maybe I was a little too hard on 64.

The throttle synch screws on the 14 require a contortionist, I think Park Tool makes a bevel gear, right angle driver specifically for this.

I don't need make do work Hub, with five bikes in the garage there's always a shopping list of needed maintenance to be done. If I could become convinced I need the TB synch I'd set aside the time to do it. Need to ride one that's setup similar to my '06 with that fresh synch and see if there is a difference. Sorry if I sound like I'm from
Missouri but twice burned and I'm not easy to convince. Remember Jeffo?

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Use is missing it and Cody's 2 buddies are quite disturbed that the wrists are not being contorted sooner than later on this bike here. So I squeeze is them saying relax, go to sleep it ain't broke, just buzzezzzzzzzzz.

No buzz here Hub, glass smooth and pulls clean from the bottom with a smooth idle. Need to see one synched and take the Pepsi challenge so to speak.

I'll tell you what, my nephew is coming to finish off his bike and get it out of here. I'll set the throttle bodies up with just the sync tubes and see how off they are?

Yes, somewhat harsh on the gentlemen and all he did was make comment on what he presumes as the cat's meow. I don't blame him for that kind of performance as one of the top 1000cc bikes that does take care of others handsomely. And for him to come back harsh or steps it up, if you are going to expose cody out in the cold, make sure you can piss his name out in the snow. I think there was a connotation there but I didn't know?

Hub, you 180'd on me, "show me the race results" was your question, no? No one ever said the BM wasn't a great bike out of the chute, quite to the contrary, my point was it is only one of many and all are winners given the right circumstances. It's OK too toot your own horn but not at the expense of others. My .02

"You are not even close and that is book spec is just follow that out"...ya see?It's these statements that are so...so....so what;)????Hell,I don't even know HOW to respond to this anymore.What we're all dealing with in these "our own opinions" comments is.....You're right,we're wrong....no matter what.Like asking how far those forks are compressing or rebounding in a still pic...saying someone doesn't know what a 'smooth' bike is like.EVERY bike I ever bought was new...brand new...Zero miles.New tires...wheel weights...factory fresh sync.And I don't know what a smooth bike feels like?If I said something like that to other members here...guess what'd happen?I'd be mocked and shamed right outta here.Or whatever...let's just say...it'd go over like a lead balloon.You remember how some reacted when I got my first 14R....how they put words in my mouth...turned 'me' into a complete asshole.....dissing every other 14.NONE of that was true...but everyone piled on...so....think what ya will...I know smooth...and I know not so good running.Who cares....mine is fine....and I really hope everyone else is having a good experience with their 14's.

Anyone that thinks they have it down in a 5 minute ride as has been stated before...is so full of themselves they can't see where the bear shit in the buckwheat...and that's fact.To think I have every facet of this motorcycle down 'just because' I've ridden before would be ludicrous.That's like saying..."hey,I went to the track,now I REALLY know how to ride on the street"....sheesh....dream on.

"Hub, you 180'd on me"....HELLO?????????;)

Kruz says..."No buzz here Hub, glass smooth and pulls clean from the bottom with a smooth idle"....fact.HUb says..."you don't know smooth...your bike can't be"....uh...okay...it's an argument then.Mine is smooth..like yours Kruz...why not?Like it can't be somehow?BS...it comes from the factory like that.They all do.It don't need a sync at 5K...that's a lot of hooey.None of em do.WHERE does it mention in the manual a TB sync at 5K?...show me or sittdown.

Anyone here have a sync issue at 5K?I've NEVER heard of any member getting one at 5k...it just doesn't happen with these zx motors.If it is...SOMEBODY has fucked with their settings and got her screwed up.Go ahead...pull the factory installed TB's then...reset the screws....do it all....reinstall...and you have what?Chances are...yer gonna have a bike that runs worse than the previous factory condition settings and all...just cause ya had to mess with stuff like yer some kind of pro.It's a myth...having to reset TB screws on these motors with that few miles.Like the factory doesn't know how to set em up?BS...they know wtf they're doing.And they don't 'move out of adjustment' at 5K either.I've gone a hell of a lot more than 5K without any TB check...friggin ran awesome....vibe free,great throttle respons.And don't give that horseshit..."well over time you just didn't recognize it was running worse"....BS.ANYONE who rides and has a connection with their bike can tell when things aren't going well 'over time'.

It's also a big ass bunch of BS saying you should change the sprockets and chain at the same time.WHERE in the manual does it EVER suggest doing this...NO WHERE...that's where.You open the pages to 'sprockets'(final drive) or wherever that's at...chain wear...all that.You check according to the manual...and deal with it like that.Changing all three is a TOTAL waste of money.It NEVER suggests you change all three at once.Show me...anyone...where it says that.If ya can't figure out what you're looking at in the diagrams...then ya get help...or take it to a dealer or somethin...You don't just change everything out cause someone said...."I do"....fine...go ahead...do it.But dissing others and saying they can't possibly know shit about following the manual...is...well....fill in the blank;)This myth has been circulating on the net for years...changing all three at once.You can tell when your sprockets are worn...just compare it to the book pics and follow their suggestions...it's all right there...Some of these parts wear quicker than others...but it doesn't mean the 'other good parts' can't be used 'longer' in some cases...till they DO exhibit the book wear pictures or descriptions.Guy throws a Aluminum sprocket on the rear....hauls ass everywhere...killer launches...torque crazy take offs...wears his rear down pretty quick...okay...so now he changes all three because his rear is toast?I DON'T THINK SO;)Hell...even the racers don't do that(maybe some,but it aint standard).Stupid to argue over "you should cause I said so" statements...just stupid.I've done it both ways...it didn't change the ride quality not one teensy bit.More important to keep the chain clean,lubed and adjusted rather than change out all the parts cause one has worn before the other.

You see that edge on your rear tire...that 1/2 inch or so of unused tread?Look at the groove depth.Now...if your FRONT has a similar depth across most of it's profile....and the tire's not damaged...WHY the fuck would anyone change a perfectly good front because the rear wore as it's supposed to...it's GOING to wear faster.Fact.That doesn't mean the front is shot....no way...you might still have 3 or 4 thousand more in that front...it's not fooked unless it looks like the rear...no grooves left...stuff like that.Myth....pure and simple.It aint gonna run any better or worse cause ya changed it out prematurely.All you've done is throw your money away.If you ride long enough,and connect with your bike...you're gonna know what's going on.That's what most of this is anyway,yes?Personal experience.Each has their own.And it's never gonna be the same as someone elses....ever.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/26/2013 @ 8:02 PM *

Montana sez, "Hell,I don't even know HOW to respond to this anymore."

I sense a thread of EPIC status.

Where? Ahhh... there they are!

Well shit Hagrid...I don't.Some of these here statements are just so...nutso...no thinking person would even consider saying..."your bike isn't smooth" without even riding it...I mean...that's just....koo koo.If I said that...the shit would hit the fan boiy....and that's NO shit thereLOL!

Shit...I've still got front sprockets here that came off my other zx's...and a couple of new ones never used yet.You can't even tell which ones are which...and that's no BS.You know I rail sometimes...most of the time really.Just cause a chain wears..it doesn't mean a sprocket is automatically gonna be worn out as well.It might...but then...it might not.If a guy feels more comfortable changing all three at one time...cool...go for it.I've only done that once...and it accomplished nothing but a big fat zero in overall performance.I say again..if you ride...you will feel or see if things aren't right.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/26/2013 @ 8:15 PM *

LOL greenie!

Use Is Missing The Boat! Gentlemen, it has been smooth sailing: ask Cody's two side kicks. If I went this extreme to reset the smooth in a lean to rich my mixture, my AFR meter only knows for sure. And if you watch that vibration with the front brake applied, that is the only vibration I see buzzing that AFR meter.

First time I sunk the throttle bodies on the '08 I thought the pistons were going blow the head right off. Outstanding response from getting the bike warm with a few blips to fine tuning all 3, but my hand got hot on the last one. Yeah, but it was so close, hand me that cigar it was that close. And if I let the bike cool down and caught that one later? That was even more smooth to be had, but I was beginning to split hairs.

I only mentioned the book because mine starts out different. I close my needles, set the 3 to 2 blades. I then open the needles at my setting [1/4-1/2 out] who knows? Whatever move I want those 4 pulses to even out. I only guess a 1/4 out and then the vacuum calls the real x-ray of it. You already have the blades matched so the only thing left is right that screw: whichever needs where? Just match a simple pulse to each cylinder's pull.

And watch the ---- out! Meaning... On the blip it will get away from you: as you watch the pulses settle out. Once again I have to repeat...

Signed,

NOLTT

P.S. It's all about the smooooooooooooooooooooooothing. No Cody they have ball sack. Let them wallow in it. They say two may toe, I say tomato. They say who mayo, I say lets call the whole thing off. No, you said that I said that you thought I said that when I said... Wait a minute. You know what? Lettuce tomatoe haul the whole job off. Someone hand me a reach around.

Oh look! A bun fulls of "How Sweet My Ride Is" .... Creme filled even! Mmmmmmmmmm, goes down smoooooooooooooth.

Go ahead...pull the factory installed TB's then...reset the screws....do it all....reinstall...and you have what?Chances are...yer gonna have a bike that runs worse than the previous factory condition settings and all...just cause ya had to mess with stuff like yer some kind of pro.It's a myth...having to reset TB screws on these motors with that few miles.Like the factory doesn't know how to set em up?BS.

Classic Clown Cackle!

"Use Is Missing The Boat! Gentlemen, it has been smooth sailing:"...that aint what ya said a couple of weeks ago...you said your bars were vibrating unnecessarily...I said mine weren't.You said...yes they are...I said...they're doing fine.I mentioned the vibe and where I felt it.Another member said "That's it Grn...exactly"...you still insisted I had what you had.Which I didn't...and haven't...so....who's got what then?because you say it's so...it has to be that way?(BIG SMILEY)....LOL!!!Mine didn't have no TB sync...and yet it can't possibly be as smooth as yours cause you say so...yes?Who gives a shit really.I know buzz and I know smooth....I can tell if my bars are vibing or my ass.Or both...or neither.So what?We don't have bikes here to compare any of these claims...so what's the big deal trying to out piss anyone here about how much 'better' one ride is over another...it's ridiculous...but entertaining;)...hold on....I gotta.... ...okay...I'm cool now....carry on

Honestly...I wish I could ride your over the top 14R...Hub synced and all....maybe I really am missing the boat?If I wasn't completely thrilled and satisfied with the new bike...and all it is...I'd say so here....I would.If there was an issue....I'd say so.If it wasn't feeling like I've said...I'd say so.But it IS all that.I'm very happy with the new 14R.When it was going through it's stages...I said it was...and I was accurate about what it was doing.And how it is now.It's not 'better' than someone elses....that's not it at all.There were a few times I thought a problem might be developing...and I said so...but it smoothed out....without doing acrobatics with a wrench.And I said that also....

I mean,really...most of us here are actually saying the same thing...if it aint broke...don't fix it....If something is seriously wrong...by all means...get er done.But some of this stuff really IS about the new bike 'breaking in'...beyond that measly 1K mile sticker on there.Regardless of what ANYONE says...this bike isn't broken in at 1K.....I KNOW this.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/26/2013 @ 8:39 PM *

The thing with you grn is no mechanical background. Or is it basic science moves? You guys are looking for HP, smooth running, power, easy starting in the morning, so anal, some count the seconds off. All I'm suggesting is one book move and it's wrong according to greenie, or those I call the runner uppers that know it all sorta speak.

Since you are getting up in years greenie, this is a pair of '06 bodies. I swapped the '08 with them. I've done most of my R&D with the '08. I have yet to touch the R. I have the emissions connected and that says the lows are not sunk but some are closed like the '08 was.

So I removed the same hand dials off the '08's body. Closed those 2 down as I reinstalled the bike to stock. If you knew about carbs and bodies, we wouldn't be laughing at how use is the entertainment!

Your suit is ready. Try a leg. Yeah, that leg. Bring the other one in, come on, a few more to go and these trouser will be.......

" All I'm suggesting is one book move and it's wrong according to greenie, or those I call the runner uppers that know it all sorta speak"....where the heck did I say you were wrong going by the manual?I never said that...ever.What is this 'one book move' then....post it here...we all want to see how I said it's wrong.Especially me...I'd like to see that.

"I have yet to touch the R. I have the emissions connected and that says the lows are not sunk but some are closed like the '08 was"...I don't care about your TB syncing...on any of em...that's not what we're commenting on.You're saying you know how some member's bikes feel smooth wise...that's the deal....your blind statementsLOL!!!HOW do you KNOW mine isn't 'smooth'...how do you know this?And I'm the one that's got no credibility?(personally,I don't need credibility to know what I know)...but...that's another story....I gotta say...you either connect somehow with a way deep connection on some of these guys here...or you're into sorcery or somethin....NOBODY says..."I know about your stuff" having never even SEEN any of it...let alone RIDE it.And guys saying..."The genius"....yup...it IS entertaining...you are entertaining for sure.Nobody takes any of this seriously....how could they?

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/26/2013 @ 8:49 PM *

Lets take baby steps...

1. Is my evap looped to 2 air screws?
Yes. It shows it right here in the book.
No. You are so full of shit and whatever else grn said about the book. Not me. You be yelling at the book, greenie. I just pee scent it in a different way. So you reek from it! If it fits... Buy the way, how do those trousers fit? All the legs cut to length?

* Last updated by: Hub on 6/26/2013 @ 8:48 PM *

If you simply adjust a vacuum screw to a factory recommended setting, vs., setting that same screw by experience and feel into its position that capitalizes on that pulse, you end up with a smoother motor. It is simple. The fellas at the factory know exactly how to set up a TB. They do 300 a day. Hub does a real a day by feel and experience and picturing that pulse in his head and getting that timing jussst right. Makes perfect and logical sense. Factory set screw set to a recommended setting versus tuned by feel may very well result in syncopated vibration at slightly different ranges one bike to another. But tuned is smooth.

T/Y C.....to each his own...right there...one's not "better' than the other.And BTW...how do you KNOW Hub I've got NO mechanical experience?You DON'T know....period....sorry....this post and all aint about me...it's about you and your cute remarks to me...that's what it is...so you can shine as the 'shitter'...and I can look like the 'shittee'.Same ole shit...and I could care less There,I feel better now.

I asked you some valid questions(again) about handling...you again dodged and redirected the topic to this.You're afraid...afraid someone might just understand more than you(or at least as much)...as usual....LOL!I'd like to hear about your expertise with setting suspensions and such...but yer so worried about 'looking good' you can't 'stoop' to an average guy wanting to maybe learn something....shame really.All this time you've been here...and you still don't get it.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/26/2013 @ 8:58 PM *

Chances are...yer gonna have a bike that runs worse than the previous factory condition settings and all... That says the book said to disassemble the throttle body and this is how you set it back up. It said nothing about emissions. It says, this is the mmHg you aim for by setting these 4 air screws and you for some reason cannot grasp the book and you own one.

So, am I reading the book wrong? Not in my world. You pick up a book and your mind shows you that way is go for it. Not my reality. My R buzzes smooth. My '08 buzzed and when I read book procedure, Cody got so excited he started pulling me to go take it for a ride.

And when I follow book, I can't lose the argument. AS if there is some argument. I'm a tuneup guy, not a tuner. So if dealer reads the manual like you do, grn... Who's fault is that? Not my mirrors. No buzzing in my world is I'll half none of that is seems yours is half ass tuned like mine. LOL

You gonna reach around or do it yourself as per man you will pay out the pants anyway.

I think discussing the suspension is the same as you setting up the sync on a 4-cylinder. You have skills yes, but you are not deep in the mechanics of it. Hey, I can tell. So I don't have to dodge anything is this and the suspension is a mute point.

Now, Kruz, I do have beemer experience. I know the feel of the bike. I've ridden old brit bikes and they too handle differently. So I am sure some are more impressed with the rr, because it sure is not the engine that is weak. I give it that. The rest is a pile of parts and some geometry that may handle in a euro sense, but maybe not as pointy razor sharp as say pointing a japanese frame at a line.

I don't see a 10r beating a 14 as bad as the rr or I haven't seen too many. More the rr vs. the old 14. To take on the R? I've seen the R put the rr in its place. So who is teasing whom?

"I'm a tuneup guy, not a tuner"...good...I'm happy for ya!I'm neither...and I'm happy for meLOL! When I feel like having someone else change my plugs...I do.When I feel like doing it myself...I do.Big deal.'Appearences' mean shit to me...I could care less whether I can sync a TB or not.Regardless...I know what smooth feels like...sorry....

"but you are not deep in the mechanics of it. Hey, I can tell. So I don't have to dodge anything is this and the suspension is a mute point"...yeah...and who said I was deep in it.I don't want to be...and I don't talk like I do.If anything I say is 'correct' about anything motorcycle or whatever....then it is....whether I've got 10 years riding or 10 days riding....sorry...you can't take that away...ever.From anyone.

Hell...I like riding.I like working on my bike.I like experimenting with suspension settings.I like trying different tires.That's all....and sharing my thoughts and ideas here with my fellow riders.No smoke...no mirrors...just me.And my simple owner experience(s).Book follower...good advice follower...that's all.I kid around a lot with you...cause I like you.That's all.I aint out to 'get ya'.Aint out to 'outsmart' ya.If I ask a question...I mean it....not trying to 'catch ya' in some 'screw up'....okay?Somehow this whole time on this forum...things got turned around.It wasn't like this a long while back...before I got my 14R...then it changed somehow...IDK why...but it did.I aint cryin about it...it is what it is....but it's kinda a bummer in a way.I honestly respect your knowledge and all....somehow that got twisted into a 'me against you' deal....it isn't like that at all on my end.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/26/2013 @ 9:23 PM *

I could care less whether I can sync a TB or not.Regardless...I know what smooth feels like...sorry...

It's not about you and how you feel about how smooth your bike is. You are not seeing how your bike is in a loop situation and to you that is smooth enough. Regardless, your idea of smooth is when someone asks how smooth can I get my bike, make sure you follow grn. And do you know why?

Signed,

NOLTTBook LOL

Well this thread is destined to become a classic of epic proportion. Have to agree with Grn on those tires Hubmeister, only if they both wear out at the same time do I change both. I can see if one was squared off and the other fresh profile you could have a handling issue but my tires wear even from side to side or slightly faster on the sides so I don't notice any big changes with a new tire profile. Others mileage may vary.

Well, too bad we're not closer or we could all meat up somewhere and put this discussion to rest once and for all. Proof's in the pudding, smooth is as smooth does. Butt lettuce remember, if it ain't broke.....fill in the rest. Maybe Hubs R is slightly smoother after the sink than Grn's butt if Grn is satisfied...go back to don't fix it mode. .02

Well Grn, it sounds like you like to tinker as well as ride....butt like me, prefer the riding over tinkering when all is said and done. Nothing wrong with that in my book, we buy these bikes mostly for the riding experience, maintenance is a necessary evil....or pleasure depending on your perspective.

Mine is pretty darn smooth...I'd have to say smoother than it was when new....yup....I'm happy with it...it is smoother than my 07 ever was...and that bike was at the time the smoothest I'd ever felt.This feel is actually different...it's not just the motor feeling like this...it's the whole package somehow...I can't really describe it.The shifting,the throttle,the downshifting...cruising...powering up.I can't describe it.It just feels more...'compact' and 'solid' somehow....

Yeah...I didn't buy it to work on it...already did that with my other ones.I stay on top of it...what it needs...but that's about it.I want to ride...not wrench.

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