Yeah...I didn't buy it to work on it...already did that with my other ones.I stay on top of it...what it needs...but that's about it.I want to ride...not wrench.

There you go!

So Kruz: Say we roll the bike out of the dealer. We have both tires wearing out equally, no? Front causes a step in the tire. We lean over, that scrubs away sidewall don't forget. So we now change the rear tire, push the used front one more time. Now, with a second worn rear tire that has plenty left on the sides, the front has yet to be changed, the question is... Would you still enter a fast corner with the used front as if it were new, yes or no? If you say yes, you need to do it till the rear is finally worn. You say no, I res my case.

So Grn: Say we are on the banking of Daytona at full song. Is there centrifugal force to squat the bike? Yes. If I rail and tilt from a 180 degrees to a 45 degree, will I squat? No. If you said yes, you need to show me that zip tie move. If I have one nose plugged up and you try to breath, are you more or less stuck with a vent closed, yes or no? Yes, I can see what you are saying about that bike is yet to be smooth, if I can't breath out the nose with this bad (cough) due to a code in my nose and I think I'm running a temp! Or no, you are so full of shit, you should clog your rear end up so the romans don't dig a 2,500 mile road to go sticking cody up dare.

So MAN64: You just have fun with that bike and all the hype that goes with it. Your choice, your ride, your problems down the road: if any.

"Is there centrifugal force to squat the bike?"....well...first off..I was a tad hasty when I said.."I like you"...you continue to prove you are an adversary here...so be that as it may.And second...you can't figure out what you want to say...so think on it how you will...I'm out of this discussion...I'll hang with the 'regular guys' thanks....you made my decision quite easy....sometimes I forget that a snake is still a snake...regardless of what it looks like;)Not my problem you're depraved...I'm going riding...you have fun now with cody....

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/27/2013 @ 6:56 AM *

So MAN64: You just have fun with that bike and all the hype that goes with it. Your choice, your ride, your problems down the road: if any.

What is this, a new kindler, gentler Hub? LMAO....

J/K Hub, to be honest with you, if I was at the track and 64 pulled in with that new S, I'd put my bike back on the trailer, call it a day, call it quits, you get my drift? Wouldn't even try to compete really. They've had guys that had zero riding experience buy one of these things and immediately set all time lap records, even AMA pros won't mess with a beginner on an S1000RR....LMAO!

Hub, I haven't had any handling issues at all from mixing new and old tires. I get where you are coming from on the purely theoretical level but in the real world I live in, I can't tell any difference. Just my .02

"Hub, I haven't had any handling issues at all from mixing new and old tires"...that's because you're nowhere NEAR Hub's caliber...may as well park yer ride Kruz....Hub wouldn't approve of your insolence.Takes a lotta nerve to state YOUR facts.How dare you;)

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/27/2013 @ 7:38 AM *

OK Hub, question for you, you've mellowed out a bit apparently, 64 gets a pass, that's your call and I have no problem with it but why not give Grn a break then? You beat on him like a kettle drum and IMHO it's not deserved.

The Grn Man has chilled, he's totally cool now in my book and he's walkin the tech pretty good these days. Ease up, cut him some slack, he's not talking trash on other peoples rides... .02

"Hub, I haven't had any handling issues at all from mixing new and old tires"...that's because you're nowhere NEAR Hub's caliber...may as well park yer ride Kruz....Hub wouldn't approve of your insulence.Takes a lotta nerve to state YOUR facts.How dare you;)

Actually Grn, you, Hub and 1Bad are probably my favorite characters on this site. This place wouldn't be the same without you guys.

That being said, Hub still has the edge on you in experience..... but you are starting to close that gap, holding your own in the tech talk so to speak. When Hub retires, you may get that top spot. .02

* Last updated by: Kruz on 6/27/2013 @ 7:50 AM *

Do me a favor grn, go take ride to a trackday and run in it. I want you to have some insight ass to WOT that really means. Not some straight road. A turn is coming up so you have some decisions to make.

ASS for the book, have you figured out what vacuum means to an idle vs. a turn of a screw? If I had a twin engine, turned in the one idle screw and left the other one open, how smooth would that idle be? Now, that's how you are describing 'smooth' in my world.

Are you sending in a fallacy sort of what smooth means? Yes or no? It's that simple you begin to discusshit around me. All I did was bring in a page out of the playbook. It's not my fault someone put your smooth back in the trailer, the tail between the ears is I told you but you are in some shell no listening?

Slithering little whom? Was that addressed to me or the factory shop man you will keep paying you keep playing with the venom from Cody's pet spy, dear.

Lettuce kak dis juice. Push the red part and the fangs come out fandango fill up some more. Whoooooo, keep them legs erect. Cody them suckers!

Actually Grn, you, Hub and 1Bad are probably my favorite characters on this site. This place wouldn't be the same without you guys.

You've gotta admit that 1Bad is just too funny. That historical road to your sister and mother story. I never laughed so hard is well, maybe greasing up greenie some is give it to him up the rear.

First grn says he likes to get on my case, so I mirror the mother. He comes back and wants to go take a ride he's had enough. Is that funny or WATT? Here comes the snake in the grass is raises his head and takes a nip at me. I create a web around his rectal area is Lettuce say, I send Cody the [Roam main] Soldier Erectus to the rescue!

Smoooooooooooothings out. Yeah, and you're not so bad yourself, Kruz. You fuking instigator! A gun for xmas. Now a kettle.

* Last updated by: Hub on 6/27/2013 @ 8:06 AM *

Hubster, Grn has had three bikes since I've known him and apparently many others before that. If the man says his bike is smooth, I believe him. Butt lettuce remember, most of us are pretty picky about our rides, if something ain't right we pick up on it pretty quick and fix it. I'd take it at face value Grn's 14R is a smooth runner.... .02

Now back to that S1000RR, where are the AMA results??? Jerry Maguire said it, show me the money!!! I don't see many BMs on the podium. I don't argue that the BM has good straight line speed, Aaron Yates was trapping highest last year on his.... but so what, where are they at the finish line, that's all that really matters? You know from experience Hubmeister, it takes more than just HP to win in the racing game, only one of many variables. This pirahna's been playing in the barracuda bowl...no?

"holding your own in the tech talk so to speak. When Hub retires, you may get that top spot. .02"...I don't want any top spot.According to the master around here...I have zero experience with anything but straight line riding.I post vids of my stuff...running through fast big deep sweeps and curves.I'm smart enough to realize this bike is not a literbike.It can't run like that. Yet from the Grand Poobah of upper buttcrack...I'm supposedly supposed to go out and get myself killed or someone else so he can learn a few things?Nope...I ride my rides...If he wants to find out what the big bird'll do...he's just gonna have to get his ass of the seat and get busy....all his smoke and mirrors talk is just that....speeded up videos to 'impress' everyone with his supposed 'high speed cornering'....he's got everyone convinced here that he's somehow the Mr Answer man for all things zx14.He's gonna ride around in L whatever and say he's putting her through her paces.He needs to hit the track...take some vids...and come back and show everyone exactly how it's done....instead of attacking those that are actually riding...track or no track.He may have a lot of knowledge...he doesn't know near as much as he wants everyone to think with his convoluted explanations....apparently his Hubspeak has entranced a lot of people along the way.Not me....not others here...they just know better than to get in a pissing match with someone like him and waste their time.His street vids reveal average skill....nothing special there.Hell...I can 'look good' cornering at 35 mph....that's no big deal;)

And those 'great lines' videos...those were back in 08 or whatever...I don't even think he's GOT a 14RLOL!

Let him rail at 150 in a deep fast curve...then come back and show everyone just how 'easy' it is to pick and hold yer line and all....IMO,he's got NO IDEA what that's about.Think ya know tire behavior?Try it sometime Hub...go ahead...

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/27/2013 @ 8:21 AM *

Correct. Lorenzo is out: broken collar bone. That means who is fastest in the rain next practice? Been there, done that. Once the track dries, hp wins, yes or no?

"Been there, done that"...says you."gosh,I know ALL the racers names....gee...I'm such an expert"

I mean...here's a guy who condemns anyone for keeping a perfectly fine front tire on and replacing the worn rear...and yet can't see the written word about NOT mixing brands...oh...that's okay...long as he does it....What a crock of cody....can't follow a topic to save his life...won't follow a topic as soon as someone else comes up with a viable 'other' perspective or fact....yeah....smoke....mirrors....BS.

"the web"...the "bite"...like we're supposed to fear for our lives if we say or peace...all props...all of it....stage props...hollywood.The real actors are the stuntmen out there gettin with it and yes,sometimes crashing.But getting back on and rockin again with a new understanding."No experience"?Save it.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/27/2013 @ 8:33 AM *

Say, grn? I do not have to go fast. To prove what to you? I am taking a line as slow and as smooth and do I want to see some cop come around a corner? Slow I speed up the vid for my own viewing of how I took a few lines. You should speed up yours, see where you are: Line For Line, or in your case, stretch for stretch. How sloppy are you or how well did you plant the seed of smooth thru that thick skull of yours?

So if I see you are not setup as in a racing line, is that my slithering crime? If you are closed [mine did] is I opened the other two screws and slithered to smooth is round the gong like a bell. You show your vids on the net, you are going to get comments right and left so does that matter to us sole [on the footpegs] surfers watching someone's vid?

"Say, grn? I do not have to go fast"...that's right,you don't.But before you talk shit about someone elses ride....know what yer talkin about.Get leaned in at a buck fifty...then tell everyone how 'great' and 'easy' and 'professional' your 'line' is.I garanfukintee ya...at 150,it's a whole new bike with a whole new set of behaviors...course...you'll never find that out...so it's a moot point trying to explain it.What your covering in your 'cool' curves there...at 35 mph....it aint nothin like what you're covering at 150+ hammerin at the apex and rollin through holdin her steady.Anyone who does it...knows exactly what the dumbfuck Grn is talkin about.You don't.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/27/2013 @ 8:40 AM *

Grn has come out swinging, the man is on fire, has Hub backed on to the ropes playin that ropa dope.

Hub, quick answer on the HP question....no. Spies won the WSB title in '09 and was down on power on his R1. Luck, pluck, superior elbows, handling and race craft won the day. Same thing when Rossi was riding the M1 Yamahas back in the day, down on power compared to the Hondas but won on sheer handling ability. Sorry butt I am not impressed with the BM, decided to cut the "wheelie wire" on my 10R ECU and will have the Euro spec mapping, virtually same power as a BM. Don't believe all the magazine hype Hubster, ride the bike on track or somewhere other than a dealership, it is not all that. Harley-Davidson syndrome, all hype, no meat and two veg. .02

"decided to cut the "wheelie wire" on my 10R ECU and will have the Euro spec mapping, virtually same power as a BM. Don't believe all the magazine hype Hubster, ride."....yup...good for you Kruz....that 10R is gonna rock and roll...be careful.How about that cassette trans...you have one of those on there?

Nice touch Bro..."ride"...true that!;)

Sorry Hub...guys in tank tops just don't do it for me...ya know what I mean?

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/27/2013 @ 8:52 AM *

Hey, there was this girl with video at world green or wherever; I blew her skirt up and let her know she was not thinking where she was, as in, no tact coming from me. So another posted and explained I was more trying to help her point out how dangerous she was riding, let alone setting up for a turn.

Kruz, lets say for hypothetical, with the limiter cut, are we claimed 193HP out the crate? I think that was literature from the factory, not rag hype. Grunt means stump pulling [torque] to a limit. But HP keeps going and going sort of the bunny rabbit speaking it.

I thought I showed that mini racing docu about that rr in the hands of a pretty good rider. He stayed on the gas and out broke most of them, but still, it's no slouch. Now the electronics began to come into question and that's where the AMA boys dropped the bike like a hot resistor was the glitch? I have no clue?

You figure the only rr's out there now are factory. Everyone else is on the bike you need is who is up front and in wsb, is it's the ape? I'd have to see who has the most points in the manuf cup? How close is the rr in points? That's where the factory sits this year.

Hold on here about guys like Spies. He's like this Joe Roberts kid that is more like what they call Marques as an 'alien.' Rare is the breed. They preform those extraordinary, historical events, i.e., the Freddies, the Spies, the Rossis, the Marquez is what I'm saying about one jumping on a bike. Coulda shoulda had Spies on the rr on his first year in wsp and who knows? But to say lack of HP? Watch AMA live timing and the trap speeds. I see mid packers with faster traps than the leaders. It's back to the rider/package. And that is pit package handling. It all gels or no Spies I believe? Yes, I give it to Spies and that backing he had. Now he's on some factory yam and where was he?

I don't know if we are throwing rider after rider on these rr bikes trying to get up front? Are the apes pulling 200 + teens? Or are we still under 210 or whatever the trap is for wsb? And now where is the rr in trap?

Kruz, lets say for hypothetical, with the limiter cut, are we claimed 193HP out the crate? I think that was literature from the factory, not rag hype. Grunt means stump pulling [torque] to a limit. But HP keeps going and going sort of the bunny rabbit speaking it.

I'll have to dig out the mags but as I recall RRW's dyno says around 175 rear wheel for the 2012 RR, back to back the Panigale tested 169 and the F4 167, same dyno. 10R was 160 rear wheel in American full factory choke mode, cut the wire you're in Euro spec at 175 rear. The 10R is way over geared box stock, the RR turns way more rpm, there's your midrange. 10R is 20 lbs lighter out of the box. I don't see the RR manhandling the 10R when setup, back to rider ability. 10R never got the benefit of the hype, Harley syndrome.

"decided to cut the "wheelie wire" on my 10R ECU and will have the Euro spec mapping, virtually same power as a BM. Don't believe all the magazine hype Hubster, ride."....yup...good for you Kruz....that 10R is gonna rock and roll...be careful.How about that cassette trans...you have one of those on there?

Yep, quick change cassette.

Hub, you've seen Grn's vids, serious high speed corners. Remember he also is coming back from a crash that would have had most of us throwing in the towel, gotta show the Grnman some respect.

I hear you, Kruz. Now, grn, speed up the vid so you see how smooth you where riding down the road? It will show you if you are smooth or all over the road more like it. And really, you see me having a smooth and easy time at it? Only your moviemk knows for sure.

Click start.
Click run.
Type moviemk.
Click enter.
Double click the blue top line.
Hold left mouse key, scroll the page over.
Drag and drop your vid from your ______ Wherever you have it? Desktop? Then drag into the white layer.
Drag the vid down to the bottom, etc.
Right click the video line as opposed to the audio line.
Scroll to the S's for speed up double and figure out the rest you go clicking my licking my chops to see this one.

Inn epic pee portions of course.

Gots me popiss corn and peeza... Heading to the front row.

* Last updated by: Hub on 6/27/2013 @ 10:48 AM *