It's the challenge speed off.

Smooth is my move EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Kruz-Wow...now sounds like a lot of BMW S1000RR sour grapes:) "I don't like it, HD hype, etc etc etc." Whats that all about?

It's not hype. It's a seriously fast liter bike with great handling. I understand all the marketing smoke and mirrors, but you seriously don't win the accolades that bike has from almost every major,and minor, enthusiasts mags that include both objective and subjective evaluations without being a damn good, thrilling bike to ride.:) It isn't about some lame ass magazine getting all moist over the BMW roundel. It's about it being probably the best overall liter bike made in the last 10 years, like it or not. The ZX-10R is crazy good and I love it, so flip a coin, but to catergorize the S1000RR as hype is a little lame wouldn't you say? Unless you've ridden one since mine, you only rode mine maybe a couple of miles so not sure how you've become an expert on it or whether or not it the moon and the stars as you'd been led to believe. Either way, I LOVE that bike like crazy with over 7K on the dial now just keeps getting better. Just to keep me honest I bought a new old stock 2012 Honda CBR 1000RR a month ago for $9999. I love that bike too, but it ain't no BMW S1000RR. It's a great bike mind you, with plenty of low to mid, but very lacking on top, handles great and is somewhat easier to ride than the BMW but not better, is as fun to ride "sometimes" depending on the mood, but typically for sheer exhileration it's the BM. One has Stock everything,(Honda) the other full race exhaust and PC5. Anyway it's all good...just see you going down the road you were ragging on 64 about with your "dislike" of the BMW:) I say you need to ride it some more to form that opinion but that's just me. BTW..when did you decide to start talking like Hub:)?

They're all awesome bikes...different...their own personalities.I wish I could go ride both of em...just for fun.Never been on a litrebike before....sounds like a blast...but I'd be worried about having to get those R's up so far,by that time...you'd be rippin for sure...I don't think I could manage that for long;)

I've toned down my high speed hijinks quite a bit since this new year started...fast is fun...but losing yer bike isn't.Don't want a repeat of last September.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/27/2013 @ 11:49 AM *

Dam jagman how much do you make a year. To be completely honest last year I made 109,000 and my wife made low 70's, I wish I could buy bikes like you do dam. Now granted I live in the northeast where its very expense to live, hell my mortgage is 2500 a month and my wife has a brand new car, but still I was I had your life style. I'm truly jealous. I would love to have my 14r and the bmw. But the wife would friggin kill me. Trying to get a corvette but I would have to get rid of my 14 and im not ready for that yet. You are a blessed man with a great wife!!! And I have messed with 2 bmw's and I did slowly pull them and beat them, but im on a 1441 and they were on a 999 thats amazing. And if they were better riders who knows they could have walked me. But the beemers are great bikes period. Never rode against the gen4 10, hell I dont really remember seeing many. Mostly busa's and gixxers.

* Last updated by: zx14racer on 6/27/2013 @ 12:03 PM *

They're all awesome bikes...different...their own personalities.I wish I could go ride both of em...just for fun.Never been on a litrebike before....sounds like a blast...but I'd be worried about having to get those R's up so far,by that time...you'd be rippin for sure...I don't think I could manage that for long;)

Grn---I think that "gotta be in the top of the rev band" comment is a little overblown. The liters won't have the low end grunt of the 14 we all know that, but there is a different kind of thrill to rolling on a throttle and watching tach spin up, knowing full well it's the design of the particular bike. In the BMW's case you've got 14K to play with so running past 6K or 7K, isn't much different than running past 5K on the 14's. One does NOT have to push any of the liters past 10K to get power. You get EXPLOSIVE power that comes on very differently with these bikes after 9K and more so 10k but for the street you have lots of power between 5K to 7K. You can do plenty of "rippin" hanging around 6k-7k ON THE STREET. There is also the fun factor of working the gearbox a bit and selecting the right gear vs the "shifting optional" style of riding on the 1400cc. Again, when it's all by design of the motor you'd be shocked at how much fun that can be. When you're riding a bike that shows no hint of backing off the power ALL the way to 14K, it's quite a rush. You get that with the 14R also I know, just to a shorter rev range. Bottom line you are right. They really are all great bikes. I seriously can't think of a bad one right now. For a guy that is as passionate as you are about riding, you owe it to yourself to figure out how to get won of these bikes out for a day and see if one wouldn't make for an interesting second toy. I'm betting you'd fall in love with the better handling along with all that power and lighter weight.
By the way...I really miss my 14R with Brocks full system! Kruz tried to tell me to figure out a way to get my next bike without selling that one:) I will buy a 2012 model in blue just like I had sometime in late 14 or early 15. I want one in my garage. Totally different ride for me, but also one that is thrilling.

Dam jagman how much do you make a year. To be completely honest last year I made 109,000 and my wife made low 70's, I wish I could buy bikes like you do dam. Now granted I live in the northeast where its very expense to live, hell my mortgage is 2500 a month and my wife has a brand new car, but still I was I had your life style. I'm truly jealous. I would love to have my 14r and the bmw. But the wife would friggin kill me. Trying to get a corvette but I would have to get rid of my 14 and im not ready for that yet. You are a blessed man with a great wife!!! And I have messed with 2 bmw's and I did slowly pull them and beat them, but im on a 1441 and they were on a 999 thats amazing. And if they were better riders who knows they could have walked me. But the beemers are great bikes period. Never rode against the gen4 10, hell I dont really remember seeing many. Mostly busa's and gixxers.

I've worked very hard since college and have a good career with a wife who also has a very good career in corporate America. It doesn't mean it's all roses, but I'll admit to being blessed in that way and I am a grateful person by nature. All the while, doing what I do demands much of my personal time is taken by my job, and in turn I'm more than fairly compensated. Some days, I'd trade it for a job where I punched the clock to be honest:) Then I come to my senses and realize, this is right where I'm supposed to be.

I've raised 4 girls and a boy and put them through college so it's our turn now. Riding is my love and passion. I don't run around and spend money in bars. I don't gamble. I don't cheat on my wife. I buy motorcycles just about whenever I feel the need. I'm not totally impulsive but it would appear to be that way I realize. What I know is that I'm blessed to be in good health now and there will be a day where I'm not able to do this thing I love so much. I intend to live while alive. I went through a car phase similar to this back in my early thirties mostly because I could and there were just far too many cars that I HAD to own before I died:).

I'm not surprised at all you ran down the S1000RR. I owned a 14R remember, with your pipe and all. Big motor big power. As has been said so often, the place where you wouldn't, nor would I, run one down is the place, where IN MY OPINION, is the really fun place to ride; through the twisties. The bikes are SO close on power now it's hard to believe given the displacement differences, but it would take a much more highly skilled rider on a 14R to out ride someone on the S1000RR, or really any liter IMO in the place where it really counts and you use all of what these bikes are meant to be used for.

Good for you jagman,and you are completely right on about the curves. I now if I were to ride the bmw I would have one that's for dam sure. And how you describe going thru the rpms and gears your friggin killin me. God I miss having to actually work the gears sometimes. On the 14r it's like an automatic, sometimes you can get so lazy.

* Last updated by: zx14racer on 6/27/2013 @ 2:09 PM *

I remember when I had my Harley...my Heritage.I know...completely different deal...but I rarely rode that thing like the typical 'Harley" cruiser guys.I was always runnin it up through the gears and keeping the revs up.Different than most of em.The engine seemed to really like being pushed like that.I never had any issues with it.My 14...I shift down and all all the time out there...going through the gears...shift down to like 3rd,set up for corners,shift...power up...I keep the trans pretty busy actually.Course,she won't rev as 'quickly" as a literbike...no way...but still...I ride her pretty agressive for a big inline 4.(engine wise I mean).I know it's been mentioned everywhere about how the 14 has gobs of torque 'everywhere' so you can take corners and such in like 6th..I don't do that too much.I usually downshift twice before entering any curve,then power up and shift out after the apex.So She will get a workout for sure.

I'll see if I can't get to ride a liter one of these days....I'm quite spoiled with my bigass inline though;)You know she just won't do what a liter will...ever....so that's 'kind of' a plus(for me)...keeps me remembering.."okay...take er easy here...have fun,don't overcook yerself";)

Sometimes I think to myself..."this bike really HAS no particular niche...the dragstrip is the real place for it"...most everything out there any 'smaller' will out pace it in the handling dept.It's got great power...but it's so damn heavy,you can't even get close to using all that in the curves and such..but I love it anyway.It's the only bike that actually fits me comfortably.

Sometimes I think to myself..."this bike really HAS no particular niche...the dragstrip is the real place for it"...most everything out there any 'smaller' will out pace it in the handling dept.It's got great power...but it's so damn heavy,you can't even get close to using all that in the curves and such..but I love it anyway.It's the only bike that actually fits me comfortably.

My 230lbs 6'3 stature allow me to flick the bike around curves and turns like magic. My boy Beast 5'11 and 175 lbs say's it turns like a big bike. For me, though, no complaints, it eats turns and flicks like magic...

My little wheelie back on the freeway was all about electronics. That rider coming back in, sitting on that 10r pretty much says Kruz did call it. We are fine lining some electrical pulse to a steering adjuster like Honda does, now the rr has a suspension that is reading: beats per measure.

The MV's launch control is like mo-tea's L3. 'They use fuel/ign, where we add the sub.' And that says 'more linear.' I keep adding interventions/limiters/flutter my sub/knock are my heads on [89] = All done buy pings. So, what they said was..."We were so fascinated buy the wrecktricks, we gave mo-tea the boot, the bag is not reading the tea leaves is we leave that up to the rr."

Oh, so the 10r does everything if not better but the 'Pinging my forks.' OK, I'm going to buy a pile of shit that has electronic glitches, the 10r is up on more podium, has the better qualifying time, more wins, more finishes, tops the linear trail. The ape is oh, did they throw the ape away too? I've got all this hp I don't know what to do? Well, it ain't doing it too well if you stats the stats: compiled.

Check please!

You tell me? Did you see the body english of that rider and you know they've swapped bikes out on the street first, then comes in from the track and praises over the rr is how I see where he's coming from. And I see no issue if these clowns are hinting to the 'ping value' of the bike and where its headed. So the tumble of the buttomode looks more like...

10r - Overall package has it.
ape - The price fandango of parts vs. parts, quality of execution, design, placement, is not this puppy. Other than that, that rotax is not bad, right? Handles too, no?
rr - Overrated, well designed, has more electronic glitches we heat that mo-bored plate down the road. Right now things are fine (bean counters are crossing their fingers 'built with a short fuse' is the mo-board). Built in the cheap seats, sold to the larger wallets that can't see it's intentional overpriced number, has the junk MBenz kind of parts used in it is the alleged assumption? So it will bakesome. It will ping some one day. Where that ding of a ping will not be your day of joy. Dab beer dab will do you is that reach around: is way too much reach for some trash that left the AMA grid. Well spent? Does that sound like a #1 rated bike against a few others?

If they were going to play future up, then they should have written a past event against the brands. Who would be on top is the (problem child) of the fleet?

My best friend agrees! :) he votes with cash.

I won't swear to it, but I believe he is getting the white 2013 zx-10r abs/ ribs/ ktrc/ with a dark screen and slipons out the door! :))) can't wait to ride with that!

Not to start a war, but check out the World Superbike results from today, saw race one at 3 in the morning, missed race 2 maybe they will replay it Monday ?

Oh Cblast, tell your friend to not to forget to do the wire snip, before he lets you ride it LOL !

1. Tom SYKES, UK (Kawasaki ZX-10R), 21 laps, 37:51.947
2. Jonathan REA, UK (Honda CBR1000RR), -5.032 seconds
3. Sylvain GUINTOLI, France (Aprilia RSV4 Factory), -10.201
4. Marco MELANDRI, Italy (BMW S1000RR), -13.120
5. Chaz DAVIES, UK (BMW S1000RR), -13.630

13 seconds behind. I don't want to start a piss'inn war... 13 the fuck seconds is can you say mid packer? For more money, yep, I'm going to run mid pak my limiter wire.

That is a bad ass 10R! Sykes ain't no slouch either. I really want one of those some day. Sometimes wish I had bought it instead of the CBR 1000RR, but hey it's a great bike too. Just got home from a 250 mile back road ride on the S1000RR. Over rated or not what a thrilling bike. One has to ride it hard to appreciate it. Weather is perfect today so might do the same run on the Honda later:)

* Last updated by: Jagman on 6/30/2013 @ 12:03 PM *

Jag, the CBR is probabaly one of the best STREET bikes for the common rider, you cannot go wrong with a CBR, almost bought an RR and was shopping for a 10R also, they are all good bikes, they only liter bike I was not interested in was an R1, go fiqure ?

Sykes is on a tear !
Sykes went back on track and broke into the 1'45s by setting the new best lap for the track in 1'45.981.

Tom Sykes (Kawasaki Racing Team) has clocked another outstanding lap-time to grab his 6th consecutive Tissot-Superpole out of 7 held so far in 2013

I'm gonna do the clip for my buddy! :)

Yeah I've just always wanted a CBR and gad I have it. Truth is the power delivery of the 10R and S1000RR is similar and I wanted something different ala the fatter low end on the Honda. I of course am rooting hard for Melandri and Davies but I love Tom Sykes and that race team AND Kawasaki. Btw rode a 2012 R1 recently and love that motor!

Jag would you say the R1 would be as good a street bike as the others ? as far as low end mid top end, powerband etc ... The R1 is kind of a mystery to me, it's winning races in the AMA, but non exist in world superbike (i know hub said kawi didnt pursue) but you would think one of the "private" teams would have some .....

* Last updated by: carabuser on 6/30/2013 @ 2:09 PM *

Nawp.. This one has my attention.

Patriot edition...

Fatsix, that is wicked, I'll take mine in the orange!

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Originally Posted by roninbmw
I have the 2011 zx10r, and the 2012 bmw. I have raced both and against both in the track and have pushed the limits out here in California testis as well as straight away max speed. Some may want to take my opinion as completely non byes.

BMW: Fast, smooth, predictable, not so great front suspension with little feed back on road, great brakes, heavy and heavy handling.. in short for you its is a 11 gsxr 1000 with brembo brakes and 183 HP to the rear wheel..expensive parts!

ZX10r: Fast, Quick, Agile, good brakes, great front suspension with plenty of feed back. Easy parts found or cheaper at least. Back suspension needs to adjust. Need to get used to riding zx style then its heaven, its quicker to get to the 184 HP to the wheel than BMW, given you flash the ecu. Yes readers ZX have 1 more HP than BMW unlike the magazines myth! The bike handles very good. It keeps you awake and love the LCD screen and RPM color dash. Looks better to me. The price is great, the technology is awesome and i enjoy the traction control of the zx over any other bike..the ability to control the level of traction control comes handy after you master the bike where you will learn to shift thru it depending on the speed , sweeper or tighty as well as lean angle. Great transmission in fact i don't have a quick shifter on ZX but it shifts the same as my BMW with quick shifter which makes me wonder really about that quick shifter. Twisty roads with a litter bike is zx10 or cbr 1000, both are similar in handling and mid-range.

In conclusion, i would say personal preference to you and mid range. I love them both but i am a prefprmance kind of racer and not into the name and look of my bike, i drive a Lambo so i don't need a Ducati or a BMW to impress.. i want the best race handling bike for me..that just me!
The only thing about CBR is it doesnt have the technology in case you want to sell in the future thats all for that bike, but its awesome for what you seem to want to use it for. BMW great and nice, just heavy handling..GSXR like. ZX10r 11-13 is a bad boy with a need!

Well said, except I have a Camry and an F-150, so I get my speed needs met by the bikes. I have an '08 CBR, an '08 ZX-10, a '10 S1K and an '06 GSXR 1K. Love 'em all. My CBR doesn't burn much oil at all. The only negative with the CBR is that the fairings are a PIA to remove for an oil change! Thank God I have a bike lift.

For this old man, I have too many to keep up with, so I'm getting rid of the CBR and ZX-10R and getting a 2013 ZX-10R. I will miss the CBR, though....just couldn't part with my S1000RR.
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* Last updated by: Kruz on 6/30/2013 @ 5:13 PM *

Like I said they all fast.

Like I said they all fast.

They all fast . BUT some just faster than others