"I agree. It's a shame 14R owners are not more talkative"...no offense...but why would they after THIS whole discussion.I posted my thoughts and look what happened. The smart ones kept quiet.Sorry everyone for MY bad remarks and all.

"This thread is not about hatin on the 14R",...no,it's about hatin certain people who have a 14R.

"and enthusiasm on the 14r will be off'd by this"....Phatphil...zx14 owner.

"Why do that?" ....my thoughts exactly.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/13/2012 @ 9:27 PM *

The new bike is worth it every time I ride mine in really good air and it just rockets that would be the new one all the time. You don't go to a carnival to ride a pony, maybe you do thats another story, you take the best thrill ride and when a new ride comes out you go for that ride. As far as bikeland guys having to beef up and lighten the new bike for drags thats standard fare for any bike.

* Last updated by: kawnow on 1/13/2012 @ 9:10 PM *

I'll have to disagree. This is like a movie script and everyone is a director. It goes this way, that way. Who cares. You can't be entertained any other place than to watch Kruz and Dogo send in the over the top. Tell me you are not laughing your ass off.

WOT did I tell you, and what does it take to say that Honda has got your penisize is your 'joe average bike.' But it takes balls to choose a Kawasaki. No other bike in history has played your words, meaning, 'fear' and loathing where this thread is going.

It is going just like I said it would. You made it, swinging balls, and over the leg she goes. Well, you didn't mention the competitive background. Yes, I always put her first. The bike comes first. You figure out who comes in first. They are both a base hit. One you can live with, one you can't live without. Tell me about who is sticking around first, you question my foot size? I'd like a woman a month club to come check my foot size thru my pants pocket cash waiting. No, that meant, I need the cash.

WOT was that? Balls of steel? I'm steel waiting for some HP so you can keep pinning 'fear' on the 'top model.' Look, you threw out the main hitter [10R] that puts fear in the field. Not too many buy the feaR. I am a spoiled bratorque of my balls felt that electraride. Now, the bike is evolving into a moving diode. That right there is heart pounding passion. Where is the grass? If you are passionate about your love-R, I'm still looking for my green is gas sea US, meaning, dish is where we part ways.

The way I see it, she has about an 8th month shelf life; the rotation begins. This bike game is the same kind of game this thread represents. Grn is passionate about the latest squeeze and I'm pretty much looking at some makeup and a new dress. I'm looking for a spitter offer. No matter how I look at that trade in, sell it and wait for plan B? I know I am in need of a SQUIRTAWAY BIKE. The 14 stays here for now.

Oh, and I guess that happens to be the Big Dogsentence, where the editing spoke any gear? I'm in 4th, not maintaining 100% concentration on the stop, yesterday. From a dead stop, BDog leaves in 4th gear. I'm clicking down now. I can't hurt my baby like that. Now, I'm on the ape. That baby runs smooth for a twin. Thing is, I have to be in the right gear. I'm buzzing that thing right before it wants to cam up. I'm looking for a gear so as to de-buzz-it. Then, 2 clicks down for squirtaway? MY FAST ASS ON IT? It's like squeezing out toothpaste on an empty tube. It comes out alright... Imagine on any other bike but a BDBike.

I'll pencil an X in that check off little [steel] box... Do I need INN'SAY'WAY? A 14 is the only way. SLOWait for WOT? My steal balls steel base is? Or is it the other way around? I called your everyman bike. I'm calling the brochure one more time so everyman knows... "We K as in Knew bike(s) are on the way out of the case. Just in case you know which brochure you picked up, wee-wee were pee paired (2+2) set your balls on the kind of bike Slow thought they were going to do damage for another decade is send the nail home.... Excuse us... Screw the crate closed in a steel crate chew are. No magnet can touch our top [ball] model, BRING THE PARK!"

* Last updated by: Hub on 1/13/2012 @ 9:38 PM *

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.no,it's about hatin certain people who have a 14R. I'm buying a 14r,,,I don't think I hate myself,no wait,I hate,I hate....kawasaki canada....I WANT A BLACK ONE

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I made a statement earlier.."I won't forget"....nah...changed my mind. Forgotten.

Hey, Grn is part of the scene. The hate'inn is the other side's problem. Everyone has baggage. Everyone has their reality of speed. The bike elevates your skills no doubt. Or is it just relative, you have the skills no matter the speed?

Drag, See, you are back to execution. I can see your windup at the plate, the pre-windup; the ritual. Why does Honda have that edge on you guys? I'm right there behind you, but I'll take turnkey torque no other brand brings to the table. Yes, you can separate HP from torque, but when it takes torque to move from the fender/traffic/wolf pack... Kskid in the 100% cotton briefs... Play ball(s)... That beereeto talking from the rear... Don't let me go there and describe it.

No offense to ballsports. High dive is a ritual before the jump. I might place that kind of ritual at a baseball player watching a light go down at the tree. The whole field winds up like a tree waiting for the swing. Golf is a ritual at the tee. The rest of you ball swingers look stupid playing with that little thing. Piss on ballsports. There, I said the hate. Bunch of sweaty balls heading for the lockeroomoon each other anshit.

Bunch of soap droppers!

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That I don't know Drag but man you've been bitten by the racing bug

How can you tell? loool

You can't be entertained any other place than to watch Kruz and Dogo send in the over the top. Tell me you are not laughing your ass off.

Guys who are taking stuff too seriously!

Look, you threw out the main hitter [10R] that puts fear in the field.

Fear? No! Thrills. Forget about the 10R, I can see myself get on the beemer for the first time go wot through the gears. Stop, have a starbuck a la Kruz and tell myself "oh my god". But guess what I'll get back on it, telling myself let's do it again! The 10R is not scary. Ok maybe this one:

MickeyD's

Fear for me is getting in a blind corner topping in 3rd, bleep the throttle and go for it with less braking than the last time and hoping the oncoming cage is going to stick to its lane. The sad part is that even that fear is turning into thrills that's why I'm taking my butt to the track. The 10R is like a saber and the CBR is a katana. The ergos not the motor make me choose the CBR as the numero uno. If they made it with the 10R top end I would go for it but they don't. At 6'5, I can't overlook the ergos just because of the top end. Plus more grunt means I can have more legalish fun (0 to 40mph or 0 to 70mph). One more thing is when I got off the R I was looking at it from the side and its nose is too flat. A double Bubble could make it more attractive...

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"Bunch of soap droppers!"....ferget it Hub...thay aint gonna know what yer talkin about.Gimme a lock in a sock.That oughtta just about get my thoughts across

"Alley OOP OOP OOP,WOOP WOOP! "Ride Alley,ride""He shore is koowall"..."Ride daddy,ride"

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/13/2012 @ 10:34 PM *

I posted my thoughts and look what happened. The smart ones kept quiet.Sorry everyone for MY bad remarks and all.

Although they had a little too much "weeeeeeee" in them your thoughts were fine. The thread got more "interesting" when a few elements including you started to think that it was an attack against you and the 14R.
I just thought there was too much hype not enough discussion. One more thing is a lot of 14R owners aren't that talkative because there is only three things to talk about.
1. The Bike has more power
2. The Gearbox is smoother
3. The chassis and suspensions are better
There isn't much to say about a "refined" bike. How does 200 hp feels? Like 180 hp + 20 HP. You see what I'm saying?
The more talkative are going to be drag racers because those fractions of fractions of seconds are a big deal for them.
BTW, I'm not counting the TC since it's just something to get Joe Average to the dealership.

I may be greedy but to me, those aren't enough improvements, especially after a 6 year hiatus. I thought the 14R was going to make the 14 obsolete but it didn't happen. Guess what? It is kaw's fault. Imagine that baby came out in 2008 or at least before the S1000RR went pass 200 hp on Brock's dyno? Which reminds me... Brock casted the first stone. In a video he said: hayabusa, ZX-14 nah, this is the real deal. Look here 201hp with my pipe and some oils. He made the comparo and he's a drag racer.
Sportbikes evolve stupid fast. 20hp in 6 years is not satiating. Again, and I'm getting tired of repeating myself, this isn't about the S thou' and the Panigale going against the 14R. It's bigger than that. BMW was working on the generation 2 S 1000RR before they released the 1st generation. They revised the chassis, mid range etc. They didn't have to but they did. Look at the Panigale. Electronics are state of the art and its got a monster motor. The 14 had a nemesis in the Busa but kaw underachieved. They probably figured like microsoft that they had their fan base, just like Suzuki did and that was good enough. Then, out of nowhere BMW came and everybody wants an iphone lol (if you follow the thought process). I'm now thinking that the 14R is what it is because of the S1000RR not the busa. If kaw makes a liter with 170hp... their hyper has to push way more right? This is why we should welcome criticism of our favorite bikes.

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"Although they had a little too much "weeeeeeee" in them"...something wrong with WHEEEEEEE?Am I tellin you "you bad biker..you don't want a 14R"Some of you guys are stoked about the literbikes.I've not heard ONE negative comment directed towards ANY of your kudos towards those bikes...and I'm I'm pretty sure...several here could care less about a 1000Beemer or any literbike.But out of respect for YOUR feelings...nobody says anything.That's what's different about this deal.

Your opinion is fine...just don't forget...someone else might be taking it completely different than you mean it.

"you started to think that it was an attack against you"...you don't suppose some members words here like...."there goes Grn,thinkin he's a better rider than all of us"...and others along that line had ANYTHING to do with my responses?...you read em for yourself and draw your own conclusions.I guarantee ya...if they were directed at YOUR praise and excitement about YOUR new bike,you'd be a tad disappointed as well.I think I did pretty well holding back my REAL feelings about what was said towards me personally.I doesn't matter now...anyone who wants to post up without concern for being 'too good' for everyone else cause they bought the new bike can add their comments to the new thread.Unbiased.Unchallenged.

I should remember...but I forget sometimes...that this is only a forum...not the be-all end-all to anything.I should say exactly what I think...regardless of whether someone gets their feeling hurt or not.That's what everyone else here seems to be okay with.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/13/2012 @ 11:57 PM *

looool but green....
No nothing wrong with wheeeeeee, just like nothing wrong with hubish. There is a time for everything though. You were one of the first to get a 14R and people including myself were waiting for a surgical review of the bike but what you gave us was mostly feelings and impressions.

Your opinion is fine...just don't forget...someone else might be taking it completely different than you mean it.

That's fine it's called a discussion. Beside I can't brake it down further. The only way would be to finish every sentence here with... but I love the 14 and 14R.

.I guarantee ya...if they were directed at YOUR praise and excitement about YOUR new bike,you'd be a tad disappointed as well

I could go back and post tons of quotes lol
Hub dissed the CBR and said honda has my penis size which means I have no balls
Kruz said the beemer was too much hype
I said I didn't like the new 10R ergos, its flat nose and couldn't care about the top end
Dogo posted a funny Yamaha 125 vid!
Relax. It is not that serious. You said somebody made fun of your riding skills? Hub said he wouldn't want to get a review from me if I was on a 14R.

It's all fun and even if it wasn't I couldn't care less. Somebody doesn't like my new ride? too bad! I pointed the negative about the 10R but tomorrow you might see me on 1!

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At the end of the day...I have my new ride....and good things.That's what matters.Someone said "life's too short"....I know....and going by quicker than it ever has(for me).One reason why I AM thrilled with my new ride.It represents a fresh start again for me personally.I do get excited

That's cool Green, I kind of envy you....not that you have a new bike.... but that you can be that excited over having a new bike. Does this make any sense? Bully for you, been a long time since I felt that way, probably all the way back to when I first got my 14.

One of the problems I see here is the manufacturer's keep raising the performance bar so fast that we're all becoming just a bit jaded. We're like crack addicts that have to have a bigger and bigger high just to feel good.

We've become like Pavlov's dog, salivating and charging to the food bowl everytime we hear the dinner bell but the bowl is half empty. Rather than focus on the good thing, we get to eat, we focus on a perceived shortcoming. Think about it, look at the frenzy of speculation that hits every fall when new bikes are announced. It reaches a fever pitch and KHI has become a master at fueling this frenzy by releasing teaser videos and a few well placed "leaks".

The reality is, the stage is set for disappointment, at least for some. The 14R reflects a tremendous effort by KHI to raise the bar again I'n the hyperbike category but left some of us feeling flat.

We got a lot but wanted more. Don't take this personally, my new 10R was a let down after all the hype about being a Beemer Buster. It is a beautifully crafted surgeon's scalpel but somehow has lost that raw edge that made the 10R experience what it was. Overly refined comes to mind here. One look at that video of Dunlop on his 10R chasing down Guy Martin shows what a serious speed tool it is but it somehow has lost part of it's soul.

We have become like the spoiled child that sits among a mountain of gift wrappings on Christmas morning and says, "is that all there is?" Both the new 10R and the 14R are victims of this paradox, the more we get, the more we expect. It is an embarrassment of riches.

Another problem for the 14R was the release of the BMW S1000RR. It didn't just raise the bar, it annihilated it! It's a hard act to follow and the 10R and 14R have both suffered for it. It remains to be seen if even BMW itself can keep the momentum going. Could they become victims of their own success?

One thing for sure, right now there are two distinct philosophies vying for dominance in the liter wars and the winner will shape the future of all to come. BMW with mega top end and TC to reign it all in and Honda with it's monster midrange/lightweight approach. These are the dominant bikes right now, the 10R is a more refined but weaker, at least in stock form, version of the BMW.

We have brought this upon ourselves, our expectations are high and the manufacturer's do their best to

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BTW, I'm not counting the TC since it's just something to get Joe Average to the dealership.

Disagree. It is an evolution as if one would make an inline-4 to get you onto the dealer. The same inline has-been on that dealer floor for how long? The cc may have remained the same, but the head will always and now the electronics will calm that horse down. The '06 is a perfect example. Calm throttle apply. Even my 14 is a putt-putt at idle. And it lives under 1,000 rpm. I cut that rpm down for the hairpins. Wee is crying about no idle, and that is not the way to go unless you can cut that rev down, for I am, nor is Wee, the joe averages, if both of us are complaining about a race bike? It's going in another direction. I don't care about the auto idle. I care I can't run the bike into a corner, fuck your back wheel chatter if I can chunk it once? Out of control, I now have to relearn?

See, writing that out, I kind of forgot about the wheel hop. No, I'd have to pull the clutch in to stop the hop... IF... I got too hot into one. But who am I kidding. This is more a street complaint. I engine brake, so that more less, [pushes me a few hundred rpm] I have no control over. Complaint 1: hairpin turns. Complaint 2: excess rpm on coast down. Kill that idle K or cash is cash is clay in my hands.

I may be greedy but to me, those aren't enough improvements, especially after a 6 year hiatus. I thought the 14R was going to make the 14 obsolete but it didn't happen. Guess what? It is kaw's fault.

Well, well, well... I thought it was just me. Oh, I forgot, you're the OP on this thread. Here, I thought I was talking to myself, over and over of what this hasn't got. Where it has gotten, a little of track? So, we are both the same joe average, I told you I'd sit on that Honda with you, but I'm greedy for massive crankingethe hell away bone stocking is christmas stalking for that kind of ride.

Brock cast the first stone. In a video he said: hayabusa, ZX-14 nah, this is the real deal. Look here 201hp with my pipe and some oils. He made the comparo and he's a drag racer.

THANK YOU! Agreed again! Look at my 2piss2 out the crate? I had to unplug it, oil my 0w, my SAE is I don't give a shit. 2+2 means I eat plus 200 all day long [clogged up] bone stock. I'm a 2 ton fun machine from 0 to ??? and down again... YOU<YOU... Honda rear joe breaker, brake your balls you touch that pedal to the metal. No, Drag, I was joe averaging me. You walked in front of it.

Sportbikes evolve stupid fast. 20hp in 6 years is not satiating. Again, and I'm getting tired of repeating myself... It's bigger than that.

How come we are on the same page, and how come you don't think I'd read your take on the bike? It's like reading myself over and over. I'm not going nuts someone fell over a sword or should.

They probably figured like microsoft that they had their fan base, just like Suzuki did and that was good enough.... (if you follow the thought process). I'm now thinking that the 14R is what it is because of the S1000RR not the busa. If kaw makes a liter with 170hp... their hyper has to push way more right? This is why we should welcome criticism of our favorite bikes.

Well, back down to, we seem to agree to disagree. This is not about a fan base. This is about history. I didn't make it, Kawi does. They are their own fans then. I have nowhere to go. You'll get your production assmoked... Historically speaking... Smoked! Production wise... Smoked!

I'm in green prison clothes, behind these bars, waiting to get out on the 2PISS2 all over YOU!... Tasty prison food waiting for a peeRoll though.

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Nice try, Kruz, but that present is wrapped around K. They toy with the rest of the field. They demand it of the top model. There is never disappointment at the house of the rising kettle. Once you hear that teapot steam... Scream is that history; joe blow average is in fear of some product mother tea puts out... And then the air is out of the balloon, we are back to the drawing bored is K...

... And you think they want to hand you a Z-1 all over again? Repeat that history, I'll start melting bike making knives to fall on; bring that top model in some sort of backasswordirection. GPEEYes me. Kskid over a banana peel back a crate, I'm ready!

The bike [is] so close to a 2+2 I'm so joe average ahead of my time did I call you on the carpet, Grn, you ABS man? Call you out, Drag, I'd drag you over to the HONDA and say, LOOK! It's everything YOU/I... and then you OP out. Same shit as saying, Yeah, that ferrari has got some nice shit all over it. But then you find that 06 or whatever that nasty vette is, that thing runs circles around the euro trash. Where do you think my cash went? I had to try a fee weary [the ape]. It's like sitting on a Honda. It's got everything a japanese bike should have.

I could take that ape down the front straight and read a newspaper, turn the page before I have to brake. I bet I get on the R, I'd have to focus on the brake marker or see which way the road goes, I have no time to look down [is] my kind of bike. If that is spoiled, it wasn't my fault. It comes with the wheels. If you think that pingledingleberrysquarelectrics my ass I'd penis a woody? Nope, I doubt it.

Ask me in 10 years, what I'll be on. Tell you I was not ahead of my time, but what time is it now? There you go. I'm still on the historical, I do not make the rules. I only ride them.

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Letsea how this one is doing? I'm going to forget which one I came in?

Comes with Bus Bar 1+

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I'm having a core workout coming here. WOT did she say? "I have a passion... Bla-bla-bla?" "More speed... Faster-Faster!?" I think, Drag, dragged mother teapot thru the muck about what might be top shelf and top almosthere. She can't get enough of that passion. Steamshiplanescootersubsonichoppers Industry?

Motheripper is just teasing you roundies. The thing is, someone is going to show tea toad dull ear, where to go with the pony pile of, and I did not coin this; here is a guy visiting a museum in japan and says the word, 'anemic' about some top shelf bike. And if relative is anything, I could use that same word today, pin the tail on the donkey.

I got your little birdie when those clowns from the rags 'could not wall that bike.' Took me a compare-ho-sin, was 4th the weak link. So, when they say, 'improved transmission,' I walled my bike, walled the compare-0 bike, 'we knew if not you, someone would smash some weakness in the bike, so improved the trans we did." Yeah, sure you did.

TALK TO MY LEFT FOOT!

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That's cool Green, I kind of envy you....not that you have a new bike.... but that you can be that excited over having a new bike.

Agree!

The reality is, the stage is set for disappointment, at least for some. The 14R reflects a tremendous effort by KHI to raise the bar again in the hyperbike category but left some of us feeling flat.

Yep I totally understand people getting ecstatic about the 14R, what I don't understand is when they think you're wrong for not feeling like them.

Disagree. It is an evolution as if one would make an inline-4 to get you onto the dealer. The same inline has-been on that dealer floor for how long? The cc may have remained the same, but the head will always and now the electronics will calm that horse down.

You got a point , I have mentioned it a while back...TC is the future. For now though it's too young.
I don't think I would ride the 14R with TC on. Power modes? Only to save gas.
It all comes down to throttle control. If I put the TC on I'm going to think I'm going to get away with hard down shift in icy condition and drifting out of corners. I understand it's a good aid, but for now it does more for the gp guys than it does for me. I want ABS, where is my Euro Model? lool. I'm waiting for two things before I get a 14R: ABS and Suzuki answer!

could take that ape down the front straight and read a newspaper, turn the page before I have to brake. I bet I get on the R, I'd have to focus on the brake marker or see which way the road goes, I have no time to look down [is] my kind of bike. If that is spoiled, it wasn't my fault. It comes with the wheels. If you think that pingledingleberrysquarelectrics my ass I'd penis a woody? Nope, I doubt it.

You want a bike that would get you in trouble? I dunno but the Beemer to me will feel more dangerous going into a corner. With a Hyper you can go into a corner TOO hot. I have had some scary moment but because of its weight and the way it handles I always tend to leave some margin for error. The liters are so nimble that they make you ride pass your limits and that's why so many are crashed. Like you said a while back though crashes are needed if you wanna make progress

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Drag, rode the 6R this morning, this is all you need! When you can ride the wheels off of it, throttle pinned every where, tucked into the paint, time to move up to a liter. More power than this you don't need for most tracks or twisties.

You could pick up an '09 6R for $6000, clean low mileage. Bolt on an Akra and go have a ball!

There is no bike I ride that allows you to use full throttle more than one of these things. The 6r is unchanged from '09 through '12 and has pulled the same trick the CBR did on the liters by staying at or near the top all the way.

It's got the midrange the 10R should have had and with a 16000 rpm redline, the soundtrack is blood curdling.

When you wear it out, buy a liter. Check out the fit at mother Kawi, it fits me better than the 10R.

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Man it's quiet around here, looks like Elvis...errr I mean green... has left the building!

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You want a bike that would get you in trouble? I dunno but the Beemer to me will feel more dangerous going into a corner. With a Hyper you can go into a corner TOO hot. I have had some scary moment but because of its weight and the way it handles I always tend to leave some margin for error. The liters are so nimble that they make you ride pass your limits and that's why so many are crashed. Like you said a while back though crashes are needed if you wanna make progress

This is the problem with the hypers, they work great on the highspeed sweepers cause they are so stable but get into quick right/left transitions and you feel like your steering a coal barge.

I've done the twisties on my 14 but would rather not repeat the experience. With the extra weight, you really have to nail the corner speed just right or you run out of ground clearance, especially on the decreasing radius turns....scary is a good adjective here.

The smaller bikes, especially the 600, you can get sloppy on your corner entry speed and simply countersteer and ease off the gas and she'll tighten up the line. Of course there are limits too any bike, come in way too hot and your looking at a low side into the ditch.

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A couple more preowned bikes to check out Drag, K5 and K6 GSXR1000. Light and torquey midrange, power similar to the CBR1000RR.

'06 and '07 CBR1000RR, this is the model I have. Great low and mid with decent topend. Very neutral handling, quick but not twitchy, Hondas steering damper is the best!

Stay away from '04/'05 ZX10R, there's a reason they call it the "widowmaker", ask Dogo why...lol!

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Drag, I predict you end up on a 2012 ZX10R in Passion Red/Ebony. You know it has the most potential of all, check out Michael Dunlop smoking the BMWs in the TTs.

BTW, 10R foot pegs come stock in the upper position, ask the sales manager if they will drop them to the lower position for you, will make a big difference!

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Man it's quiet around here, looks like Elvis...errr I mean green... has left the building!

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Drag, rode the 6R this morning, this is all you need! When you can ride the wheels off of it, throttle pinned every where, tucked into the paint, time to move up to a liter. More power than this you don't need for most tracks or twisties.
You could pick up an '09 6R for $6000, clean low mileage. Bolt on an Akra and go have a ball!

I sat on 1. I wouldn't make it down the block before my hams start cramping. I wish though, they are fun and relatively inexpensive.

A couple more preowned bikes to check out Drag, K5 and K6 GSXR1000. Light and torquey midrange, power similar to the CBR1000RR.
'06 and '07 CBR1000RR, this is the model I have. Great low and mid with decent topend. Very neutral handling, quick but not twitchy, Hondas steering damper is the best!

Yeah I was thinking about the GXSR as well. On the K5 all you need is different brake pads and maybe some suspension work, I hear!

Drag, I predict you end up on a 2012 ZX10R in Passion Red/Ebony. You know it has the most potential of all, check out Michael Dunlop smoking the BMWs in the TTs.

Mickey D's 10R is a monster. It makes more than 200hp! In the vid I posted they're saying you can hear the difference between Dunlop's, Martin's bikes and the rest. I'm not sure about who's riding the BMW but I'm thinking in the hands of Dunlop or Martin it could be more competitive. Dunlop is balls to the wall so he probably asked for all the hp kaw could give him. I haven't seen the red/ebony yet but the black and blue looks pretty nice. Is kaw just doing paint jobs or tweaking the 10R? Either way I'll probably wait a little and pick up a left over.

BTW, 10R foot pegs come stock in the upper position, ask the sales manager if they will drop them to the lower position for you, will make a big difference!

Yeah! He did mention it!

Man it's quiet around here, looks like Elvis...errr I mean green... has left the building!

Try: 2 reasons you should buy the 14R

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I'd like to soap her up, Grn... Anyway, this is what I'm talking about. This is ultra-crisp-ultra-twitch is ME_ME_EM-Me!

Me thinks to get my point across, me has to or you have to stop at 2:17 and stop at 2:26 or there about. Then, keep the mouse on the 2:17. Click back to it, watch the accel, the first twitch of the bars. Now, here you won't go wrist ache or arm tingle. No, the slightest touch of the throttle sends the front end up.

That is how the top model should accel with electrics. A patented shifter system, where you don't need the clutch lever pulled in to up shift. I have it's little twin. But, listen to how that bike stumbles down the bottom. That is not camera air. That is a headache with no way to set the idle better. Primitive. That is why I am scared of that pre-idle taking over your ignition and jetting. Now the idle cable.

I'm sure not about to go backwards, so I sat on one, no? Felt those light tires on the bike. Felt the rims maybe? Something is different about that bike. I can't tell if it was the shinny floor, some air in the balloons, it was more the flick over, the push pull.

Not only that, I didn't watch the rest of this vid. There might be more subtle moves, but those few seconds show me I was pounding that little tuneup and the wheels were dancing around corners where it twitches coming down. You can feel the front leave, but to plant it back down, that little snap has a non adjustable damper tube, like a mini car shock but without the spring.

Grn may have pointed that handling difference out? I'd say, if lifting the bike off the stand, not moving it, but let it drag between me legs, it Neutral'd a lot quicker. Kind of nice. Maybe soap drop can give some light to that centering steering?

Where is he? Giving elvis a bath? He's in the building? He didn't leave?

And then, down here it has...

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