I see nothing dumb about that.It's valid.Both inline fours...with comparable cc's.

And this was an engine family with 4-valves and one rocker for both valves? Adjustable and not shims? Both tick when tight. Heavy is honda. Why? dual exhaust or pipe within a pipe so the chrome stays chrome. Quiet is the honda. a V-4 and of course the note is not going to be the same. Dual cam chains and that whistle or again, heaVERY is the case so it's nice and quiet.

No honda 1000 V-4 can compare with the 800cc honda size and that engine note. But note for note, you pipe a 14 or R and I could not tell the difference. You pipe a 1000f and an 800 V-4, if you can't tell the notes off each engine and who knows the pitch difference?

Is that what you mean? Because, I used to set those valves and learned they tick when tight. You see a curled feeler gauge in someone's toolbox, that is a ticker twister. You let the cut down feeler float in between both adjusters and one drags the other does not, you keep running the adjuster out so the other side floats the same is a loose/quiet/tappet. That is the kind of clearance we are talking about so for every spring in said plain, for every bent feeler there is a tighter setting; for every bounce there is that other bounce and almost equal [diminishing] action of that bounce.

Signed,

Run loose, howlie

"We are talking about a 1352 and a 1441 cc sizes and inline, yes?"...well,I was kinda responding to Vic's saying he had a Vf1000F...and that was his only comparo to his 14.He said..."dumbest thing I've heard of in a while"...I didn't know if he was referring to something I posted...or something He posted and talking about himself.If he was commenting on his own 'experience' and comparo with only the two bikes he's had...I saw nothing wrong with that comparo....now if he meant something I posted...I'd like to know what it was that he thought was dumb about it.That's all....

Well, I'd ask BOSS. He seems to give others a pass while you were being 'looked down upon' and all those accusations; looks like a reflection pool around here.

Vic said..."This might the dumbest thing I've heard in a while"...not sure what ya mean here?.You mentioned your VF1000F...and compared it to your 2012...I see nothing dumb about that.It's valid.Both inline fours...with comparable cc's.

The OP states his previous bikes were Hondas, one happening to be a VFR. Why didn't you tell the original poster it's your opinion he's wrong to compare his obviously different size engine and configuration to his VFR or BLackbird engine noises to his 14?

isnt it logic that we will reference against what's relevant to us. My reference is against my previous bikes. None of them ticked? That includes GSXR 1000 which isn't the quietest of motors either, my Hayabusa and an old GPZ. Besides the rest. Not even my BSA ticks lol. I Never looked at the displacement etc etc.

None the less in trying to find the location of the tick. Try a piece of hose pipe and tape a small funnel (when the missus is not looking take one from the kitchen) on the end. It's not foolproof but might help you hear where it is the loudest. Put the end with the funnel on your ear and move the end without the funnel around the motor. If you don't have a funnel just use the pipe and put one end on your ear, the other move around the motor. Almost like a doctor with a stethoscope. The motors going to get hot so watch your hands.

Vic said..."The OP states his previous bikes were Hondas, one happening to be a VFR. Why didn't you tell the original poster it's your opinion he's wrong to compare his obviously different size engine and configuration to his VFR or BLackbird engine noises to his 14?"....yo,Vic...I was using YOUR statement about YOUR experiences...it wasn't a diss towards you...sheesh....we were discussing engine noise...you had a good comparo...so I mentioned it.Sheesh...this deal here went TOTALLY haywireLOL!!!!I am NOT your enemy;)

"Why didn't you tell the original poster it's your opinion he's wrong to compare his obviously different size engine and configuration to his VFR or BLackbird engine noises to his"...because I don't feel he's WRONG about anything he posted regarding engine noise from one bike to the other....there's no 'wrong' here...it's a comparison about engine noises.

Vic...the world isn't out to get you...okay?

INLINE 4's...cc's similar...=...mechanicals...similar.NOISES...similar(but clearly DIFFERENT to the OP...which is what this is about...HIS concerns).Comparos here...VALID;)

There is no right or wrong in ANY of this topic's comments here IMO.Saying 'why didn't you tell him this or that' is silly.It doesn't fit with the discussion...I didn't tell him he's wrong because he isn't.Plain and simple.Cheer up Vicster...it's all good;)Even if he WAS wrong...I wouldn't tell him he is when it's HIS opinion(okay..I MIGHT depending on the situation...but not THIS one).I'm not his judge.Or anyone's.

Now...back to the OP...your bike is getting ready to grenade...stop riding immediately!BTW...wanna buy some oceanfront property in Arizona?....

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/30/2015 @ 8:29 AM *

Grn... a VFR is a V4. What a dumbass.

"What a dumbass".

Okay...I didn't realize that...of course...then the quote I used for your comparo is useless.Thanks for the heads up on that....I learned something.Now I see why you said..."might the dumbest thing I've heard in a while".Thanks for clearing that up for me...I feel better now knowing my comments are regarded as dumb and stupid to you.Always good to know where one stands in the big picture...

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/30/2015 @ 7:00 PM *

"What a dumbass".

Okay...I didn't realize that...of course...then the quote I used for your comparo is useless.Thanks for the heads up on that....I learned something.Now I see why you said..."might the dumbest thing I've heard in a while".Thanks for clearing that up for me...I feel better now knowing my comments are regarded as dumb and stupid to you.Always good to know where one stands in the big picture..

Oh wah wah. like you have me in some other boat? As long as your MO is it's safe to assume vic's comments are stupid until proven otherwise we're going to have this problem.

So now you also think it's wrong in your opinion that the OP is comparing his 14's valve train noises to his VFR? Or have you changed your mind on that now? Now because you found out the OP was comparing a V4's noises to his 14, well, now it makes sense to compare them? But up until 5 minutes ago (proverbially) it was stupid to compare a V4's valve train noises to a 14's noises because Vic made that comparison. But now that you found out the OP was comparing a V4 to a 14 it makes perfect sense to compare them now?

Then you proceed to start going on about year of production and displacement. Seeing how the OP never posted the years his VFR or Blackbird were made, you just assumed they were all the same year as his 14? You said the VF1000F isn't a 1352 cc engine or a 2012 or whatever the fuck you were talking about. So a Blackbirds 1100 is a comparable engine size and year to his 14? Blackbirds haven't been made in nearly a decade!? VFRs have had many engine sizes, for most of the past 3 decades that's been 750s or 800s. Only recently did they bring out the 1200. But still, I guess in your book of retarded science even if the OP's was a VFR1200 is the same displacement as his 14, even if both were the same year?

And we're talking about valve train noises? As far as comparing vale train noises, it's pretty much valid to compare any engine to another engine. This engine has less, the same, or more valve train noises than this other one. Take some 5 year old and show them two running bikes. Ask them which one is making more ticking sounds. Pretty fucking simple...or would you actually tell the 5 year old they were wrong by pointing to the one bike because the two bikes were different engines, years, and displacement? "Umm..you asked me which made more noise?"

I can understand about narrowing it down in some product comparison at least compare 16v 4 cylinders. But this is just a case of a guy who bought a motorcycle, noticed more running noise than his other bikes he's had, and was asking for reference.

If you didn't even know a VFR is a V4, then you certainly don't know jack shit about Honda's V4 heritage and what they are about to even have any right to comment on my VF1000F and anything I say about it. You don't know that with V4s Honda's goal has always been refinement and smoothness. Do you even know that Honda made V4s with oval pistons? So that the 14 is more noisy as far as ticks and shit, it's of no surprise to anyone that knows anything about Honda's V4 products. But that's not you.

Eat a dick, Grn.

drama queens. let's roll.

"If you didn't even know a VFR is a V4, then you certainly don't know jack shit about Honda's V4 heritage and what they are about to even have any right to comment on my VF1000F "...correct.However...did I say anything about your Honda?I quoted what YOU said about your Honda....the fact it was a v4 never entered my mind in any of this discussion for the OP.Because I didn't KNOW it was a V4.I assumed YOUR comment was describing an inline 4.I used your comment cause I though(wrongly I see)that YOUR comparison was a good one...sorry....won't make that mistake again....carry on.

"So now you also think it's wrong in your opinion that the OP is comparing his 14's valve train noises to his VFR?"...your not listening...again.I never thought ANY of this topic's comments were..."wrong".I guess you do....you keep saying it,and applying it to me...why would you do that?And BTW...what exactly IS your point here? THIS I'm curious to hear from such a professional as you...webpage of How-Tos and all.MSF Instructor...(God help your students if they cross the driving line or something).

BTW...your 'shakedown' is just...so.....MANLY.I'm overwhelmed with your Machismo....now you have a 14....some 'cool' gear...and attitude...your right on track here Vic....playing keyboard warrior...nice touch.Interesting that your pictures of yourself don't seem to match this tough image.Trying to make up for having a...well...you can read my mind,no need to say it here....

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/31/2015 @ 5:05 AM *

LOL Grn you're a joke. For real. LOL you just bought an H2 and you're accusing me of being the cool guy because he has a 14R. HAHAHAH what a fucking idiot. That's called projection...although I doubt you'll understand that either.

* Last updated by: VicThing on 1/31/2015 @ 5:52 AM *

"LOL Grn you're a joke. For real. LOL you just bought an H2"....

"accusing me of being the cool guy"...I'd suggest some counseling to help you get past your infatuation with 'being the victim'....don't feel good about yourself? I feel...GREAT!!!!

Trust me...you'll be fine Vic..

tick tick tick....;)

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/31/2015 @ 6:43 AM *

Once again..you're projecting.

"As long as your MO is it's safe to assume vic's comments are stupid until proven otherwise we're going to have this problem"...WE...don't have a problem....

'MY' MO?..maybe you could show us all here where I EVER said your comments were 'stupid'.EVER.Or anyone elses.

May I?..."HAHAHAH what a fucking idiot"."LOL Grn you're a joke"."I guess in your book of retarded science"."What a dumbass"."Eat a dick, Grn"...still think I'm the one that needs to change?.BTW...VERY professional there Vic...stunningly so;)

Okay....you're up...ball's in your corner.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/31/2015 @ 7:11 AM *

Tick wise:
1. Rocker arm with tappet adjusters = Tick - v-4 honda
2. Push rod engines = Tick - bmw boxer
3. Shim style with floating bucket and shim = Tick - zx14

Shim [does] but is not the spinning/floating/separating cause of a tick. I would have to assume the same spring bounce causing the tick is universal, just by those 3 spring pushers alone. So if I weed out the bucket parts making a tick, does not matter cylinder angle or how that engine is configured. As long as it has a spring to 'for every action' going on, it is amazing how close the tolerance is by just a few steps up the screw pitch and we are not moving that adjuster from 12 to 3 is more like 12 to 1 is that distance on the archimedes climb.

So imagine that new bike wearing out with the initial pounding settling in. See, I am not worried about a tick more than I am worried about the heat dissipation. We are talking some horse hair diameter distances and look at that second being chopped off with less time on the seat.

If my walk makes sense, then I'll think out the come and go of the tick. I'll bring in crank speed change, harmonics = spring speed. It's still there, you can't hear it, and if it's not the speed change, beats me what it is?

Here is the script:
I pull the tool drawer out and see all those feelers. I pick up a pack, spread the blades out and they curl. I start yelling up a storm like those two SNL guys made a movie switching social ladders and one is having a party and says, 'Who bent my blades? Who bent my blades?' Then you see Cody being bent in all sorts of ways, looking like poor little doggy took a natural on the rug and he's looking away, looking back at you wit those pasted on eye(s). Then the other meat puppet comes along bouncing his dick up and down as he talks and he says, 'show him mine' kind of line. Pan to the 'I'm 50!' and that SNL character lifts up her dress and yells, 'I'm 50!' Pans back to the meat puppet not bouncing his dick for a second and then starts back in bumping his dick on the drawer. His dick swings around looking for an exit and which way out of this mess. Then I say, "Vic you Dick!' 'Did you set the valves with these?" Cody gets a closeup shot looking straight in the camera and video ends.

* Last updated by: Hub on 1/31/2015 @ 7:17 AM *

And whoever said Hub's a jerk.Gotta say....he knows how to walk.... (among other things;) )

I sense a barrage comin at yer six Hub...I got ya;)

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/31/2015 @ 7:39 AM *

Funny. I laughed at that one. The thoughts were, no, Grn, I'll be your wingman and then, oh shit I need a call sign. Call sign "Runner Upper" here.

Check out my flight equipment.

You know my call sign.... If you're my wingman...then I aint got shit to worry about....on with the slaughter then;)

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/31/2015 @ 8:15 AM *

Nice;)

That plane sounds like my BSA.

Okay....you're up...ball's in your corner.

You're the only one here interested in playing with your balls.

Yup...just as I thought....can't find a single comment about me dissin someone or sayin they're stupid for anything they post...figured you'd drop the ball...you did.Nice feint...worthless...but completely in line with YOUR MO...talk shit...nothin to back it up with....

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/31/2015 @ 11:48 AM *

I've said my peace. Get back on topic.