"I should have know I wouldn't make it"...but you DID make it...good thing you did what you did...instead of thinking "I won't"....I agree..the straight shot would have been...uh....'less dramatic'
Created on: 05/13/13 08:41 PM
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Grn14
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streetracer
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carabuser
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RE: Traction control is quick
05/18/13 11:29 AM
If the rear end is going out, sometimes the inertia from hitting the throttle will stand the bike back up, that wasn't luck, that was your instinct kicking in, it has happened to me a couple times theough the years.
Glad that everything worked out for you, like Cblast said, we want you to be around for a very long time ...
I think in most scenario's ABS is a good thing, but there are rare occassions when it might not, like when an old lady pulled out in fromt of me, If I had ABS, I probabaly would have ended up going right through the drivers door/window, as it was, at the last second, I hit the front brake, and slid it to the left, and my shoulder hit her front bumper, and I went OVER the cars front end, instead of THROUGH the drivers window or hit the door head on ...
nasty
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RE: Traction control is quick
05/18/13 9:20 PM
I think the problem was that this bike is so damn smooth with good feedback I didn't realize how fast I was really going until I had committed to the turn. The fact that there was no way I could make the turn was was definitely in the back of my mind but it was not an option. It was a do or die moment. I felt like such a squid when the assend broke loose, at least I knew how to follow through with style. Haha! I wish I had a go pro to film that shit. I might invest in one soon. I always find myself in uninteded bizarre situations, usually it's not my fault when I do.
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RE: Traction control is quick
05/18/13 10:22 PM
I would hate know what would have happened had TC been on
Wolfman
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RE: Traction control is quick
05/19/13 6:35 AM
Boyz, I am riding in Full and setting TC 1. I wacked the throttle back on the highway in forth gear with my boy Beast. The bike wanted to wheelie and she started to seriously wiggle while lifting the front wheel. My boy does not have TC. I am wondering if a damper would smooth out these hard accelerating bike oscillations?
Peace boyz...
Wolfman
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Hub
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RE: Traction control is quick
05/19/13 8:01 AM
Kawasaki could use one more mode REAR TIRE SAVER !!!!!That's funny. Tire saving is slow out the gate, speed limit riding. You friction out the tire at (cough) whatever speed you are at past say 35 mph? My rear tire looks brand new at over 1000 miles and some are burning out buy now?
There's definitely no doubt that the KTRC will 'save' ya in a corner.Without a doubt? Who should I believe?
TC did not save my ass today... TC might have saved my ass by not being on cause I don't think I would have been able to make it had it intervened.
Takes skill to ride bikes. Takes another level to ride the 14's power. I've been asking for a little intervention video for how long, grn? I see you like wheelies but not the come around or wheel spin. Now I see why you wouldn't ramp up the front or rear wheels so I'm going to do a little interventioning down the road some.
See watthis is all about?
Grn14
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RE: Traction control is quick
05/19/13 8:13 AM
No...I try to avoid spinning the wheel in a curve...I don't want to push 'too hard'...not this time around.I know that it'll spin a quick second or so until it hooks up in first with KTRC on 1.That split second deal could be enough to high side in a hard corner.No thanks.Those pros know what to expect...and they still lose it at times.I don't want to go there;)I'll let you guys figure out if that KTRC will stop a side slide cornering.Besides Hub..it's the 'street'....I won't roll like I did before....honestly...an accident waiting to happen.
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Hub
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RE: Traction control is quick
05/19/13 8:47 AM
You assume it will happen. What if it never happens? You just do not know. So you haul ass anyway and play the odds. Either that, turn in your keys, go sit in that rocking chair, 'ol charlie was called to another world and play cards with the old bag over there in the old folks home kind of where you are headed to.
Wolfman
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RE: Traction control is quick
05/19/13 9:17 AM
Green if you ride with thoughts of possible accidents, they will rest assured come. If you ride hard with a survivalist mentality of today I will live to eat everyone and survive all the MF's that are out to kill me, you will be incident free. It's all an attitude, strategy and skill. You attitude reflects the ride most!!!
streetracer
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RE: Traction control is quick
05/19/13 4:58 PM
Old beat up road serving as an on ramp to I-44 interstate west of Joplin. It is covered with many, many narrow tar strips over small cracks in the road. 86 degrees here today and lots of hot sun. I turn on to the ramp and in F2 accelerate briskly up the ramp to reach interstate speeds. For a few seconds the bike is acting really strange. Hesitates, accelerates, hesitates, accelerates, etc. etc. Caught me by surprise til I realized the rear wheel was spinning slightly as it crossed a tar strip and traction control was slowing the engine, then accelerating, then slowing, etc. etc. I slowed down after I realized what was happeneing and it stopped. Gave it the throttle again and same story. It was an eerie feeling until I figured out what was happening. Fun way to "play" with the traction control !
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Cblast
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RE: Traction control is quick
05/19/13 9:16 PM
I learned how to slide on my old Honda xr100. Then I carried over to a kx80 etc. I had no prob laying long black strips out of third gear corners on the busa. The duc slides great actually, the 14r with tc off, 2nd gear leaned over and I just roll on harder and harder till I feel her get greasy and I know where she is that day. Roll a little firmer and look where you want to go and try not to grin so fing hard inside your helmet that you can't see! :))) if ya roll in too deep and she starts to give you a low polar moment of inertia type feel, stay calm and keep focusing on where you want to go as you roll out smoothly till grease turns to grip. Light on the wrists, balls o feet, athletic and balletic. Easy. :))
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Cblast
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RE: Traction control is quick
05/19/13 9:37 PM
Play the same game with tc on and this girl is a fing beast! That is what I was saying after owning her for three days I think! :)) different approach with tc on 1. Brake deep to the apex so hard I feel the back end get light, easing off brakes and into lean, deeper as is deeper does, apex, and gas mashing go hand in hand, tc turns apex into a creamy power pulling rush instead of a balancing act, I can be brutal with my throttle transition and the electronics feed it in better than any human. Watch the front end loft and get used to trusting KHI. It takes one more thing out of my equations. I trust mode 1, mode 2 almost kills my drive. I can focus on braking hard and easing off as I roll deep, asking easy things from my tires grip in sequence, not piling too much on. Maximizing my efficiency with smoothness from brake to lean. As you ask less of braking grip you can ask for more lean angle. This transition and how you perform it is not only the key to the corner and hitting your apex but probably the root of overall corner speed as well as point a to b speed. KTRC is awesome! It is intuitive almost when I trust it on apex, giving me wicked drive off corners. Wayy harder than anything! 114 something lb ft of torque. Everything else is watching taillights when it comes to drive off corners. I love my 14R!!! Have I said that before???
nasty
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RE: Traction control is quick
05/19/13 9:58 PM
TC 1 is cool. I like how I can power wheelie right up to the balance point, keep the throttle wide open and it lands the front tire back on the ground way more gentle than I ever could. It's perfect for the young kids in the backseat of a car when I overhear them at a stoplight complimenting the bike. I give em a little pop of the frontend, if its safe to do so, in gratitude and I don't have to worry about it getting outta control. I'm half deaf so them kids must have been screaming out the window at me today for me to hear them with my helmet on.
Hub
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RE: Traction control is quick
05/19/13 10:37 PM
This is one bike you do not want to have leaned over and keep gassing it up. The front; you have this widow of YOU, not the kskid saving your ass the front goes light it still dances and does not slow down; unless it lifts up [to slow the wheel down] and now you are going straight without steer; hope the k kicks in? A scary moment I do not want to repeat.
Grn14
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RE: Traction control is quick
05/19/13 10:45 PM
"This is one bike you do not want to have leaned over and keep gassing it up".....we have some very skilled riders here I do believe.That's why I started leaving mine off.I figure...WTF?If she's gonna spin and get greasy....may as well....why wait?
"A scary moment I do not want to repeat"...c'mon Hub...it's the 'next level' of skill....isn't it?.Leave that KTRC off...then it's 'all in the wrist' as they say Screw that trusting to bring the front back down....pop er up to the 12...and bring er back to earth gentle as can be...now THAT's skill....No KTRC,no ABS.No BS.Slip slidin all the way through that corner...now that's what TC 1 will get ya....nice darkies.
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Hub
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RE: Traction control is quick
05/19/13 10:58 PM
It's a bike that overpowers the track. How much power you going to throw at it until it won't steer at lean anymore? You my friend can go lean spleening all you want, lay on the ground for hours again. If you didn't learn smooth to a point, not my problem you lift or the bike intervenes drops all that weight, your steering changes is here, handle DIS!
"Tore Meant The Tarmac" is one more 14 Nation member tearing up spleen.
Grn14
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RE: Traction control is quick
05/19/13 11:05 PM
"lean spleening"...that's LANE SPLITTING.We can't do that here.And since WHEN won't the 14R keep turning with acelleration?I ass you....you mean to tell me that with all your riding and racing poppin her to the 12 and trustin the KTRC to bring ya back is a dumb thing....you'd rather trust yourself and leave it off,and pop her up and hold her in the 12?KTRC is cheating.Foul!I cry FOUL....Brrackkk brack brock brock b-gak!.
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Hub
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RE: Traction control is quick
05/19/13 11:05 PM
You are more a Honda Cervix rider. Pussylushis ride. When you had all that snow and wet on the ground and kept on egging you on for a skid test and you talk a big one, but to see you get it done is two different... Get my drift?
Grn14
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RE: Traction control is quick
05/19/13 11:09 PM
DRIFT?WTF?You guys are the ones 'drifting'...shit...not me....I'm too fruckin chicken to try that there shit!I did however get er up on the straight...hit 190+...ran outta road...she had some more....it don't take a pro to twist a grip...thank God.;)
"Pussylushis"...spell that backwards...yup...that's just about how I felt just before the lights went out;)
"egging you on for a skid test"...can I just show you my briefs?I framed emLOL!!!
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Hub
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RE: Traction control is quick
05/19/13 11:13 PM
See where my psi is? Way past 42 because: I am more an ice skater with more loose tire ripple drifting V kind of profile hitting the road. You are low pressure/gotta pipe/gotta flash/gotta wallet to reach around and follow the heard. Wear out ass a stocker with a good rider will beat an average rider with all the goodies.
Say yes or no, I can beat the slowest AMA/FIM/IOM qualifier is a good rider.
Grn14
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RE: Traction control is quick
05/19/13 11:16 PM
"I am more an ice skater"...well shit then...that explains it all....I still have those ice spikes sittin here...never installed.I don't remember any ice skaters comin in at 586 lbs...plus skates...but there's a first time for everything!
Yes or no.Okay...I said it....now what?Should I be expecting some kind of 'experience' here?
Hold on...just a sec......okay...got my boots on....please...continue;)
Will I be able to pop er up to the twelve and hold her there with my Ktrc on one....with a stock ECU?....I have one coming here on Monday;)Gonna disconnect my PCV and start again....perfecting my 12 o'clock pop;)
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Hub
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RE: Traction control is quick
05/19/13 11:19 PM
I did however get er up on the straight...hit 190+...This doescream scrotum. No wonder I have that dil ready for you runner upper 190 one timers. Seems like you slept at a motel69 and blew yourself doing it.
Hub
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RE: Traction control is quick
05/19/13 11:28 PM
Yes or no.Okay...I said it....now what?I'm sure you did. Same as saying you were tweaking suspension settings all your life and then followed a setting I made and you went all whatever you said about it and it's not even close. Settings like tire pressures are secrets. If you knew all that you say you wouldn't need my or anyone's setup. I'm just saying, you keep walking in your own shit is why you wear those boots on that Cervix you rode in on.
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