darryle, yeah that's how I weigh it. There's car/truck scales out there that you put each tire on and then you can see what each tire /"corner" has on it and then you can for example add the two front or rear tires on a car/truck and it will give you what that axle load is. Then you can add all the weights together and get total weight.

I've used similar weigh scales to weigh aircraft (fighters and helicopters) with pads and load cells. Pretty basic stuff.

If you want, just get your bathroom scale and make a little ramp with some wood or something and roll the bikes front tire on the scale (hold it upright balanced, no leaning it, while someone looks at the number) write number down and then roll rear on and add both numbers together. Then you have front axle weight and rear axle weight. I bet your front will be around 270-280 lb and rear will be around 230-240. Give it a shot and see what ya come up with.

* Last updated by: Racerx on 2/12/2015 @ 10:50 AM *

Brakes, what brakes!

That a pretty incredible job, we've all seen a stock 14 without fairing and it ain't pretty.

Which feels faster, the 14 or 10?

* Last updated by: Auron on 2/14/2015 @ 11:50 AM *

Thanks Auron, Look close to the wire harness and small brackets and stuff I painted black. I really would like to do something with those funky rubber intake "horns". I actually don't like the way they look. I can live with them, but I have ideas that would look a lot better.

I get asked that all the time from the guys I ride with, some have 14's and a few have 10's. I think the 10 feels like a wild loose angry animal when you get it wound up where as the 14 pulls like a freight train with all that monstrous torque. They're both a real hand full trying to keep the front end down and hold on to and then regulate the throttle so you don't loop it. The 10 I have to play with the gears more to really hit it hard on the highway where as the 14 all you do is twist the throttle and that thing takes off. Definitely 2 different bikes with 2 different power deliveries. I really like them both, I just adjust myself for the day for which bike I am riding. 14 easier to ride. 10 I feel more confident in the twisties throwing it back n forth, but 14 is like an electric motor with it's power delivery. tough call. glad I got em both .

* Last updated by: Racerx on 2/14/2015 @ 5:18 PM *

First let me say, I'm not a fan of nakeds but your 14 convert is pretty darn sharp. Especially considering 14s are a tough bike to make into a street fighter. The lovely body work hides a multitude of sins. Yours is definitely one of the best I've seen.

As far as your 449 lbs congrats on that. But I'm not sure without the body work you're not giving up something more important than even another 70 lbs of weight. Be fun to watch you carve up some corners though running with some 600s and 1000s though. Has to be a little more flickable at that weight.

Thanks VicThing, Yeah these "Standard/naked/streetfighter" bikes take a little gettin use to. Many don't like em at all. I made a Gixxer1000 streetfighter and after I did that, I made a V-twin metric custom bike. I was gonna buy a wrecked Busa and make a "big bike" streetfighter, but this accident happened and what better bike to make into a streetfighter than a 14.

It's a whole different bike since I lightened it up and have the BST's and Ohlins on it. It's like the 10, since I put the link, re-valved Ohlins and BST's on it all at once. It's a whole different bike I have to relearn now. Both are a lot smoother in the corners and they don't want to change lines at all in corners and they both just feel sooo planted when you lean it over in a corner and hold mid throttle and then start to crank open the throttle midway through the corner.

Wish some of you guys were around to take a spin on it. I really think you all would be amazed at how it feels as far a "pick-up", stability, and flickability (if that's even a word)

She is definately phat and weighs in about ??? and beautiful head to toe. wouldnt want her any other way. Oh wait sorry were you talking about something else.

I've since took out the 11.5 lb battery and put in a WPS 2 lb lithium battery and took off the Alien head II muffler (5 or 6 lbs I guess), and you talk about LOUD. When they outside dynoed my bike they said they could hear it a 1/2 mile if not further away... Ha ha ha, good times...

By the looks of your avatar, I'd say you have most of us beat but I've taken a rough count on the weigh loss mods for the gen1 and it's about 80 lbs with all outer fairings on the bike. There still might ba few more lbs to shead.

Hey Rook, lets look at some numbers, say your 80 lb.s for plastics, then 22 pounds each for pipes, then that heavy ass header and I have a Brocks light weight header with no muffler now, then the close to 10 lbs by gettin rid of the battery and puttin in a Lithium. Next we go the Carbon fiber front fender from 2007 zx-10 which weighs net to nothing. Then we got the stock wheels vs. the BST wheels, the stock wheels weigh a ton compared to the BST's. 585 lb.s stock bike

plastics + muffler + muffler + battery + stock header + stock wheels + engine insulation rubber and brackets + fans + fuel evaporation canister and hoses
80+22+22+10+20+14+8

* Last updated by: Racerx on 6/16/2015 @ 5:47 AM *

Well actually, my ~80 lbs includes a Tsukigi Cannon full system. Each stock muffler is a bit over 14 lbs. the header is almost 11 lbs so call it 39 lbs total. My Tsukigi Cannon is about about 14 lbs. So 25 lb loss for me. Your exhaust is 10 lbs for the header collector (same as mine without the muffler) so for you, my weight loss mods would total about 84 lbs. I have a 1.5 lb battery, front fender is a cheap, thin ABS Yanna Shiki and I'll bet it as light or lighter than CF (15.6 oz to be exact). My wheels are CZ Tri-Rs which are about a pound heavier than BST. I have all the rubber blakets and soft inner fairing/heatshields removed. Loose the plastics and I imagine that would be very close to 100 lbs off the bike. Over a hundred if you loose th top fairing with the headlights. I'm not going naked yet though.

Other good often overlooked but good weightloss mods:

CZ rotors. They only fit CZ rims though. NOt the best rotors but awful damned light.
Tail subframe removal.
Gas cap lightTecc or EVoTech....some other keyless caps are also light but I have a Chinese one that weighs the same as OEM so spend on a good gas cap.
Aluminum sidestand.
Aluminum rear sprocket--convert all to 525 pitch if you dare and that is even better.
horn removal
Might think about taking out the oil cooler some day.
damper inside the sprocket cover--.75 lb
Triple tree guard
solid kevlar brake lines
I prolly could think of more. I have a writeup in the works. Hope to get to that before the end of this season.

* Last updated by: Rook on 6/16/2015 @ 9:22 AM *

I got about 6.5 lbs of exhaust on it

The Alien Head 2™ exhaust system stands as the benchmark of cutting edge power, design, and style.
2012 ZX-14R Exhaust Weight Comparison
OEM Exhaust System:
Front Section: 8.8 lbs.
Right Muffler: 16.25 lbs.
Left Muffler: 16.00 lbs

Total = 41.05 lbs.

Brock’s Performance Alien Head 2™ Full System:
Front Section: 5.45 lbs.
Flanges: 1.05 lbs.
Muffler: 3.1 lbs.
Total = 9.60 lbs.

Total Weight Savings = 31.45 lbs. or 76% of stock weight

Awesome. I did not know yours was the Gen2.

Here's one I;m sure the Gen2 has but many Gen1s can take advantage of for about $16. A 2010+ air filter element cover. Just weighed mine. 2.55 oz. Have not weighed the stocked but I'm sure it's about 6 oz.

Rook,
LOL, ha ha ha,,, anyway, I also don't have that needless plastic coolant tank and extra green fluid that was in it. What I did was let the excess fluid boil out of the radiator (about 6-8 oz.)to find its own level. Never runs hot, course I never sit in traffic, maybe 20 seconds at light for it to change, but if I ever see temp hit 208 degrees I shut it off. Mostly it stays in the 150's to 180's.

Where you located, I ask cause if ya are close, I'd ride it to ya, and let ya ride it.

Milwaukee. I'd love to ride it if you're in the neighborhood. I have taken a spin around the block on mine without fairings and it feels pretty good!

So, did you cap off the overflow nipple on teh filler neck? I guess you could just leave a tube hang down just incase you do have an overheat. Then it spills on the ground a little easier than it would if it had to fill the bottle but pretty much the same end result. I fill my cooling system with the minimum coolant too. I pour enough into the bottle to touch the LOW line. I've never seen the level change in the bottle hot or cold.

I'm in AZ, if you remove the tank and just leave a tube down to the ground it will find it's own level. As far as the guys with tanks, actually they could empty their tank when cool, and when the engine heats up and spits in the tank at heat, it will suck it all back in the radiator when the engine cools (normal operation for a radiator system).

If and when I go with the smaller 2007 zx-10 radiator I will have to put a small 8 oz plastic tank and fill the radiator to the top and leave the small plastic tank empty when cool and see how much boils out in small tank and adjust level. The zx10 radiator won't hold as much as the 14's radiator. Still wont be a problem with heat though, thing really runs cool with all stuff off.

Wonder if there is harm in not running oil cooler. Can you expand on that a little. I know some turbo guys don't run them. Would need to find the parts? Who makes em?

The oil cooler was capped off during turbo install. My concern was cooling the bike like you. I too have removed fans and such so The bike will be turned off during prolonged traffic stops. So looked around for an oil cooler where I can place it. Here is what I came up with..

To keep it from sticking out of the side, had to modify a few fins to bring it closer to the motor. It gets warm to the touch and helps alleviate some of the heat.

* Last updated by: knovikov on 6/17/2015 @ 1:41 PM *

Thanks Knov, good ideas ya got there. The more I see pics of your bike, the more I'm likin it. It's almost like a super enduro bike. Like those 1200 cc BMW's or the KTM 1290 Super Duke which I have been lookin at, but I talk to some that have em around here all flashed up and Austin Racing piped and they're kinda a slug. I got a buddy who even beat it with a worked up CBR 1000. I don't wanna buy a slug, I'd rather take my ZX-10 and rip the fairings off and get it down to about 365 and make a streetfighter outta it.

* Last updated by: Racerx on 6/17/2015 @ 1:51 PM *

Wonder if there is harm in not running oil cooler. Can you expand on that a little. I know some turbo guys don't run them. Would need to find the parts? Who makes em?

I believe it is Muzzy who makes the oil cooler relocater bracket. I presume there must be an easy way to block off the oil cooler if you remove it. I've heard it doesn't do much for engine temps. Maybe it would be more of an issue in Arizona. Hub had some thoughts on the need for oil coolers. I'm not sure how it works but since it doesn't have dissipation fins, I doubt it does much than hold hot oil for 1 second and then circulate it right back in.

Mid June - mid Sep. from 11am to 7pm it's a real bear to ride in Phoenix or Tucson/low elevation. Hour outta Phx up north in 5000 to 6500 feet is nice. Head out in morning to high country, come back the short way from Payson, then only 35 miles of desert to get back in the Air Con. Then go back out when sun goes down after 7-730pm. year round out here.

I was at Mt Lemon. It was very weird to see snow when it was 90 down lower. Felt good though.

Incredible weight savings guys. Not a street fighter aficionado myself. My BST are in along with lighter Brembo 320mm rotors. Adding TI fasteners. Full dry carbon fiber treatment is next. I'm hoping to get under 500 lb at some point with my Gen 2.

Any idea what the stock bodywork weighs?
Is the ZX10 fender a bolt on or mods are required?

* Last updated by: roadczar on 6/21/2015 @ 8:06 AM *

Yeah Rook , love me some Mt. Lemmon, was there bout 2 weeks ago. Gotta go during week and early morning, make 2 runs up n down and then people call LEO's on ya, time to get outta dodge. I was just leavin and 2 Moto cops were a oomin up. Another close one.

Hey Roadczar here ya go and then get on e-bay and look up a 2007 carbon fiber front fender for zx 10. little trimmin on the fender, just a little bit, so they clear with no stress the aluminum brackets. You'll see what I mean when you get it all together. not a big deal, just a little filing. Remember don't pressure carbon fiber stuff or it will crack.

Use lower setting on brackets that brings fender closest to tire. No problem. I make 180 MPH runs and tire does not rub inside of fender. Directions are wrong that they give you.

link: http://www.twowheelwerkz.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=74&Itemid=181#ecwid:category=248257&mode=product&product=2157392

* Last updated by: Racerx on 6/21/2015 @ 1:07 PM *

Thanks for the link!

Update: DO NOT buy a 10-11 air filter cover. It weighs .25 oz more than the 08-09. i can't believe it. Waste of $16. I guess...it's stamped steel. The 08-09 is a lot thicker but it's aluminum.

Anyone need an orange air filter cover?