"Grn you do realize that Obama's bail out with the TARP saved YOUR savings and the entire world economy?"...now THAT'S funny!
Created on: 02/04/17 11:53 AM
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Grn14
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Maddevill
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Hub
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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/07/17 11:08 AM
U breeding wilberals, ignorant fools, can't see the forest from the leaves me speechless.
U boast about; "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." Well, I see a cult that is not tired but proactive with an agenda. I don't see the poor as they open shops and take over the gas you buy, the 7-11, no, 9-11.
U don't see how they huddle in one spot and city blocks that turn into a no-go-zone with someone telling you to put some clothes on or not to drink BUD hidden in a paper bag.
U refuse to acknowledge the fact that they breed freely is 5 kiddy kults to your western single child and now you feed the cult moving in on your turf. Who will take you in once you jump on some raft to free yourself from some messenger saying you better do this or this will happen to you is now where do you go to survive is you didn't see it coming, or how many more dead Americans will it take to convince you that you're next!
U are not looking ahead to see that history only repeats itself and one minority group will dominate the rest of you stupid, not thinking clearly, not fast forwarding the slaughter of humanity is some cult following an old book of laws and not your own westernshittyits think tank of a fool with a sign that should rather read, 'come to our land and kill us in buildings, while running in the streets, and don't forget to rape our women, or while holiday partying with a banned substance; if the cult has anything to do with your world and now where do you run to when they run the show wit dat shithere law down your collective throats...
... U DUMB WESTERNSHITTYITS!
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yannih
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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/07/17 12:43 PM
Hub, +1 +1 +1...
How can people be so blind?
Have we not experienced enough to learn?
How much more damage and suffering do we need to see before the message finally sinks in?
How can local politically correct do gooders be so naive?
And all over a non provable, faith based, unmoralistic, woman and homosexual hating, zero acceptance of differing views ethos!
After all history has taught us, we will never learn.
We will never learn...
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Grn14
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Maddevill
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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/07/17 2:46 PM
Well I don't. How many of you have been PERSONALLY affected by terrorist activity? How many immigrants have taken YOUR job? You have a way better chance of being killed in a car crash, being hit by lightening, falling in the tub. Why is it so attractive for you guys to live in some kind of fantasy apocalyptic world you make up in your heads?
I guess that's what all the guns are for too. I just hope all your irrational fears don't give you a stroke.
Good luck,as hard as you try, the real world will never fit into your delusions. And God help us if it does.
Mad
yannih
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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/07/17 3:46 PM
Mad, you are entitled to you opinions just as I am entitled to mine.
However Im not sure why you constantly need to abuse and add negativity and personal slander to your points of view.
Its a game I will not play with you.
There are so many dangerous signs today that are going unheeded and unfortunately it will be way too late by the time the PC do gooders and world leaders realise their grand children have a poorer world to live in.
I hate saying negative things about this amazing world, but I genuinely believe there is a massive issue to be dealt with.
I could be very wrong.
I really really hope I am...
KoflaOlivieri
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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/08/17 12:26 AM
bumpfire, do you ever have anything intelligent to say???
Mad, sometimes we have to choose our battles, ignore the ad hominem attacks, and fight for what really matters.
There are so many dangerous signs today that are going unheeded and unfortunately it will be way too late by the time the PC do gooders and world leaders realise their grand children have a poorer world to live in.
You see, I agree 100% with you on this one. By nominating and confirming Betsy Devos as Education Secretary, it is clear Trump was right when he said in the Nevada caucus, and I quote: "I love the poorly educated". The "dumbing down of America" seems to have reached Trump and his cabinet picks.
Education Secretary Betsy Devos is not qualified for the job and can do considerable damage to our nation’s education system. In addition, she has no experience working in a school environment or managing a large organization.
During the hearings, she showed she has lack of understanding of basic education policy issues and dodged basic questions, it was embarrassing to watch.
She never attended public school or state university; none of her children attended public school and she does not support public education. She advocates taking money out of public education and into for-profit christian-based education and have invested millions of dollars in christian schools and organizations.
This is classic pay-for-play politics. She got the job because she has donated and fundraised millions of dollars over the years for the republican party. Our education system is no longer about teaching children, it's about privatization and profit.
Rook
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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/08/17 5:17 AM
I agree not everything is perfect about Trump and his ideas on education is one. His child rearing program is another and his idea of giving preferential treatment to Christian immigrants is another. There will never be a perfect President but after the last 8 years we could hardly go wrong. I will take as opposite of Obama as i can get and be happy with a few flaws.
Maddevill
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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/08/17 9:55 AM
Yannih I don't make personal attacks unless attacked. But I draw the line when I'm being called a "dipchit" and a "libtard" and a "liberal loony". For too long we have had to put up with all the crap the social conservatives throw at us with just a shrug. That time for me ends here. If I met any of the guys here on the forum in person I would go out of my way to be friendly as I do with ALL people. I don't put labels on people. They have to show me they are an asshole before I treat them like assholes. But I refuse to allow people to hide behind their keyboard and spout crap.
Just a heads up.
Mad
Hub
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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/08/17 2:59 PM
Ask a westernshittyit if the book does not demand a caliphate = In denial are the left bent winglets.
Ask a cult follower if they would live under constitutional law or their own laws = Another in-denial factor as if showing some sort of disturbance video in youropedin, or that island off it.
Ask a cult follower if they support a western country in camaland, or is the rhetoric to push these people into the sea?
Ask a winglet if reading the first two pages of the cult manual are pretty much following the rules is pick a day = Are those having a perpetual-denial-syndrome attack everyday, that somewhere in this world looks like it's word for word happening is that happening at a place near you.
Ask a banner holding westernshittyit if the facts are not enough, where is their proof it's not a direct finger pointing game and guess who's side they're on?
Ask yourself if the winglets are more or less siding withenemy and are showing their badge of TREASON!!!
Here's the real human race Q of the day. Ever hear of the slave trade? Ever figured out who are the ringleaders of this trading? Ever hear of pillage and booty taken away for, cough-cough? Ever think you might need a eunuch for all that booty, or booby call it? Ever thought about this slavery shit happening just a few hundred years ago, but fast forward to today and being shackle free, do you see any residuals left in north america, south america, but none to be seen in the heart of the middle east? Ever read about Gadaffi having the hots for Condoleezza Rice, but when the cult showed up, wasn't the first thing they did was kill a race of people when they took over this new big C word... see very first sentence above. Ever come to the conclusion that cult manual only works one way; as if I head up a shop man you will pay some day!
mad5674
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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/08/17 4:25 PM
Rioting and vandalism in the name of 'peaceful protest', yet supposedly the party of love and acceptance....right. Haven't seen the liberals this mad since Lincoln took their slaves away!
Hub
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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/08/17 8:44 PM
Why is it so attractive for you guys to live in some kind of fantasy apocalyptic world you make up in your heads?
Mad, I do understand where you're coming from. It makes sense if you're sitting from afar. The media is not showing you 30% of a cultransforming a nation... and [violently] growing. So if you want to look at a culture, think gang, think rico law, think how its people respect each other; the gang leader walks into the police station; calls a truce fighting with some other gang; and apologizes to the people for being disruptive to the community. Sort of see one cult vs. culture... yet?
Grn14
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Maddevill
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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/09/17 7:28 AM
For the past few years crime has gone down in almost all major cities. That doesn't fit the Trump agenda so this administration states that cities are in crisis and all hell is breaking loose. Are there problems? Sure. But to simplify complex issues into easy to digest nonsense is the lazy way.
Whatever, you guys keep fretting over this kind of stuff. It's supposed to be sunny this weekend. I'm going riding. Maybe with a couple of my immigrant friends.
See you on the road.
Mad
Hub
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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/09/17 7:03 PM
When she says canadians, change it to, "Dumb Westernshittyits"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kp6te0DFl0
You know more than her... That's a laugh. Do I listen to you shittyits or her
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izExyFFpt30
mad5674
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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/09/17 8:01 PM
Good find Hub! Sheep will walk blindly into the slaughterhouse until it's too late! I'll keep ALL my guns too, thank you very much! THE CONSTITUTION IS NOT OUTDATED!!
Hub
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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/09/17 8:52 PM
Very interesting intro. Pretty much 1 year has passed and 100k hits. The rest of the world were riding with Mad last year...
Mad, I want you to go up to canada and tell that committee about things being fine, go for a ride, don't fret, it will burn out on its own is what you're saying. This guy is telling the committee how stupid they are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUXhBm-g3YE
KoflaOlivieri
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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/09/17 10:20 PM
THE CONSTITUTION IS NOT OUTDATED!!
True, the constitution is not outdated. Unfortunately, it appears that we have a president who does not believe in defending the constitution and acts like he is above the law. He is acting like an authoritarian. Our constitution does not stand for this kind of governmental discrimination.
What we are witnessing is "unpresidented", lol.
Today, the 9th circuit courts of appeal refuses to reinstate Trump's Muslim ban, so for now, the ban is not in effect. One of the federal judges arguments is that we already have vetting processes for this people. It is great to know that we still have some level of check and balances in our country, and we are not running an autocracy. According to the law of the land, the travel ban violate people's constitutional rights.
What I am trying to understand is what was wrong with the refugee vetting system that we had in place? If you ask me, in my opinion our current refugee vetting system is pretty extreme.
Trump executive order, bars all people from countries included on the list from entering the United States for 90 days and suspends the US Refugee Admissions Program for 120 days.
According to the Department of Homeland Security, before the Muslim ban was implemented by Trump, the refugee vetting process in place, in addition of background checks, requires them to go through biometric and biographic check, a DHA Biometric Identification System, an Integrated Automated Fingerprint Identification System against various U.S. security databases at multiple points throughout the process. And finally, a security advisory opinion and interview to be completed by the FBI and the intelligence community; in addition of health screenings.
The current screening refugee process takes about 18-24 months on average before a person is allowed entry into the U.S.
And as it has been pointed out before, the United Arab Emirates was the home of the terrorist who piloted United Flight 175 into the South Tower of the World Trade Center on 9/11. And Saudi Arabia, were 15 of the hijackers of the September 11 attacks came from, was the source of some of al-Qaida’s funding.
The fact is Trump hasn't banned people from places where he’s conducting business.
Donald Trump's executive order ban goes against the Constitution. As the 9th circuit courts of appeal proved today, the Constitution is not outdated!!!
"President Trump omitted from his ban a number of other predominantly Muslim nations where his company has done business. This adds further illegitimacy to one of the most arbitrary executive actions in our recent history, and raises significant constitutional questions."
In the past four decades, 3024 people have been killed by foreign terrorists on U.S. soil. The September 11 attacks, perpetrated by citizens of Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt and Lebanon, account for 98.6 per cent of those deaths. None of those countries are on Mr Trump’s list.In fact, in that period, no American has been killed on U.S. soil by anyone from the nations named in his executive order.
Grn14
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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/10/17 9:09 AM
'How many of you have been PERSONALLY affected by terrorist activity?'...everyone who pays taxes is affected.Hate to look at it in that context,but it's true.Also,the emotional aspect of it,whether to me or the loved ones pay for it.If one has a caring soul,they are affected.
'Today, the 9th circuit courts of appeal refuses to reinstate Trump's Muslim ban, so for now, the ban is not in effect'.Okay,there we are.I say NOW we continue to move forward and find solutions.We're not talking about deciding on which gas station to go to.We're talking about the safety and future of the American people.This country.All the gifted and good people here.The children...your mom and dad.Your friends.Even the not so nice.It should be noted here.The list was created by Mr Obama well before Mr Trump entered the scene.Where were the 'human rights' protesters at when he enacted HIS 'ban'.I think 'we' should try to consider the whole picture here.Besides,this isn't and wasn't a final solution.Wasn't intended to be that.An inconvenience that this created(let's not overlook the immediate correction and return to normalcy in travel)was a huge sign that our President honestly CARES about the American people.Something not okay with that?That's another promise he made to us..a reinvestigation into lots of U.S. policies that need changing.
Let's not overlook the REAL issue here...our constitutional right to(upheld by the commander-in-chief)for life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness.While we all sleep in our beds,al-queda has think tanks as well...plotting the destruction of 'Western' civilization.Simply ask the victims of radical islamic institutions worldwide if they believe the horrors perpetrated against people(even their own Muslims)should be somehow taken lightly.This isn't a sliver in someone's finger.This is destroying all human life that is deemed 'apostate' in their ideology.While our government strives to keep us all protected,al-queda strives to murder horribly you,me,our loved ones and children.'Inconvenience'?...better than trying to deal with unwanton annihilation by any means possible.I mean...that's my thoughts about that.Anyone is free to stay in ignorance...one of OUR constitutional and bill-of-rights deals
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Hub
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Hub
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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/11/17 8:04 AM
The sweeping up of illegals that we are not seeing but is happening, the freeways are loosening up. The emissions waiting on that slab is spewing less out. There is less gas used getting someplace. The fillups are less. There's more of this supply and demand where the price of gas goes down. The air smells better with the ill's gone.
America is becoming great again! Great prices, great to go out and smell the air. Great, Sancho's is closed. That was a great restaurant. Now it's an empty store. Oh look! Feelaugha!
VicThing
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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/11/17 4:11 PM
This isn't even really a matter of terrorism. It's a matter of purpose, legal entry, and Constituational rights.
Purpose - immigration into this country is only pertinent in the situation it serves some purpose for this country. Sorry, that's just the way of life. Life's not fair, it never has been, it never will be. You can ask me "what if it was you Vic", frankly I don't have an answer to that except that I was born here and if you want in this country and weren't there's nothing I can do about that. Life's not fair.
Legal Entry - anyone entering this country illegally... well that's illegal.
Constituation Rights - Constituational Rights apply to citizens of this country. Some of those rights may extend to people legally visiting here. Someone who is not a citizen is not entitled to the same Constitutaionl protections as a legal citizen.
This is reality. Any other interpretation is far beyond the scope of what any wording means in the Constiutation. "We the People of the United States". It doesn't say "We the People of the United States, and People of all the Earth". It's our Constituation and
So if you're (figuaretively, not directed at any particular person reading this) a non-citizen that's here, and you want to be here, it's obviously in your own personal interst to claim that Constituational Rights applies to everyone in the world. Well, they don't apply outside of the jurisdiction of hte USA. They only partly apply to people legally visiting this country. A person visiting this country may be deported for things they do or other reasons. Well, if someone's a citizen of this country, you can't really deport them can you? Ok, there's a difference.
Progressive liberals hate this country for some reason. Most of it is based on their perception that if they ran things everything would be perfect for everyone. Of course, these same people would end up performing attrocities in which we can't fathom, something along the lines of Hitler, Stallin, etc. as people now do not want to abide by their directions.
Rook
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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/11/17 5:55 PM
Well said, Vic.
THIS is what i don't want to see happen here. I don't want to let it go to this point before we decide that was a BIG mistake. I feel for the kid at the opening who has enough common sense to be grateful for what he has been given but I also feel for a lot of our own people who are not put up in decent homes and given food to eat if they can't get those things. We have a lot of refugees without importing more. That's right. Life isn't fair.
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VicThing
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RE: Donald Trump's Executive Order Ban Goes Against The Constitution
02/11/17 7:06 PM
Rook,
Thanks for posting that. I have not seen that but I have been hearing about these situations in news. We are absolutely past that point in this country too. Not everywhere but many places, and it is immigrant presence just as in Sweden. Look at the stories about cops being attacked in the US, shot in the face, shot at and in cars. Keep in mind the news we hear is often heavily filtered and biased.
Yes, some of our citizens break laws and do these same types of things. Again to those that use this as an argument, life's not fair, and those people are citizens of the US and (the figurative) you are not. So we don't need (the figurative) you coming here and adding to the problems we already have with violent crime and criminals.
I'm not even sure I believe in the "majority of muslims are good" thing anymore. I see them as being the wedge to force the door open. These people believe differently than we do on a fundamental level. In their culturs and beliefs, in the most deep rooted sense, we have no rights or freedoms. You have to understand, unlike Christianity where it is a sin to lie, Muslims cannot commit a sin against any of us because we are infidels... we are not even human. So they can lie, cheat, steal, commit violence, and it's actually encouraged. And the real shit of that story is that even if you committed, now you're on the payroll and completely expendable because you are Muslim! So it ain't nothing for their religious leadership to order you to do something that we would consider distasteful or criminal at the cost of your own life or others.
Those that want to come to this country for work and opportunity. Use your energy, and create that FOR YOUR PEOPLE. Why not make it so that WE want to immigrate illlegallly to your country? Then you can tell me, Vic, life ain't fair, so you can't come.
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