"reset the forks inside the triples"...HUB...you're a straight up asshole...fuck you.I'm way done talking with you on anything again....

Glad you got your baby running good and straight now....happy for ya...and thanks for the post with the solution;)

"Admittedly there is still a tiny bit of favoring the right"...yup...every one of my Kawasaki sportbikes has gently favored the right lean....IDK...it's not actually pulling...more of a balance thing.I can get it to stop by moving on the seat just a smidgen,when I feel like just coasting that is...it will gently have a lean to the right.A VERY slight one...nothing wrong at all.I have a throttlemiester on my bike...I can set it,and ride without hands...I do it all the time.It's nothing wrong with the alignment or anything....could be just the way the motor and torque are being produced.Probably something simple like that...mine all did it.My 14R does it...

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 6/28/2013 @ 4:26 PM *

Lumiera wrote ... So yes, turns out the forks weren't set properly in the triples from the factory. So for anyone with these symptoms it would pay to get it back to a dealer, advise of the problem and get them to focus on the front end/triples.

The mechanic mentioned the forks as an area they will concentrate on this week. I'll pass your comments on to the dealer.

Thanks everyone for your input. I'll post again after this gets cleared up.

Best Regards, Tom

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Lumiera wrote ... So yes, turns out the forks weren't set properly in the triples from the factory. So for anyone with these symptoms it would pay to get it back to a dealer, advise of the problem and get them to focus on the front end/triples.

Hi Lumiera,

I tried to contact you by private message, but Lumiera doesn't show up on the list.
Would you provide me the name of the dealer that worked on your bike and the tech or service manager involved.
The Kawi tech here in Denver would like to talk with him about this problem before starting work on my bike.

A forum response or private message would be greatly appreciated.

Best Regards,

Tom

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Hey Mate!

Keeping in mind that I'm in Australia... The guys that sorted my issue were: Peter Stevens Motorcycles at the Elizabeth St service centre in Melbourne, Victoria.

The service manager in that stores name is Randall. As I'd mentioned I'll be getting them to have one more look at it next time it's down there, but the initial correction did significantly change the feel of the handling.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but factory sets forks up and if they did it like my R, I could not get it any closer. With that said, say the bike is a virgin, never touched. Has the bike ever been serviced at the front end?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you installed new tires, the steering was pulling to said direction, how did you get the wheel and axle to line up with the other fork?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but do you have bar risers or those pucks between the bars and someone installed it long ago?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did you check tire pressure before you dropped the bike off?

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'So yes, turns out the forks weren't set properly in the triples from the factory'...' my new 2013'...????"Forks are at equal height?"?????

'how did you get the wheel and axle to line up with the other fork?'...easy...the lower fork tubes move indeoendently of the upper..you could get the axle to install and still have the upper forks not correct...that's how. fare thee well my zx14 Brothers...Ride safe and God speed;)

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If you look under the lower fork, do you see if either has moved? So as to show fork shadow position it was first set to?

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He could simply ask which tube was off...and in which direction...up or down.One way will show the shadow...maybe...the other won't.If they cleaned the upper tubes and reset...there won't be a shadow.The only real answer comes from the tech that did the fork adjustment...up,or down.NOW I'm squiddadiling on....ride strong all....have fun.

Said grn: 'how did you get the wheel and axle to line up with the other fork?'...easy...the lower fork tubes move indeoendently of the upper..you could get the axle to install and still have the upper forks not correct...that's how.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can you pull more tube down if say there was no axle? So what you are saying is, or say what I'm saying is, if you can pull more tube out from static, would that even or exceed what little moves from that tube in the upper and lower stems?

Only Day Shadow Knows 4(mm) Sure!

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there won't be a shadow.

If say you change the oil and the crush washer has some crush to it, think you could find that compression on a machined leg? Take your fingernail and feel the lines. These peak lines you feel? Those will be compressed some and leave a trail of a CLUE... more or LESS

* Last updated by: Hub on 7/8/2013 @ 9:44 PM *

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You're only seeing it one way...what if he pushes UP with the axle to align the two sides(presuming the one he's pushing'up'is the one that's LOWER in the triple tree?That couldn't happen?We're not talking inches here...only mm...like you said.So it COULD be aligned at the axle(by hand)...and a guy might not even realize he's having to move the lower inner fork in any direction.

I understand that...but he said it's a NEW 2013...no risers...none of that...and the mechanic said 'from the factory'...so there could be a pinch mark...yes...somewhere on that OD right there...but possibly not as well.You turn the upper outer tubes to remove or install that fork leg...having a scratch on that OD might not actually mean a maladjusted leg....look at some of the other 'mistakes' Kawasaki had with these new factory bikes...several things...loose bolts...things like that.

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Say greenie? Did you start something all over again? You can't even let the OP breath to answer. You have no clue if the forks were moved by some here say. I have a collection of variables from stretch, to axle fit to shadow crush marks of the virgin move.

You happened to make zero comment not knowing, just showing up and I think you are at your same MO? I'm conducting a 3 Variables [sort of collection] that confuses me. That's all I want to say. If you want more of the same, you know I can wear you out fandango.

Make Dis My Day (you know that klink eat wood line?)

* Last updated by: Hub on 7/8/2013 @ 9:54 PM *

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'You can't even let the OP breath to answer'...He DID answer....he's breathing and riding FINE now.Perhaps YOU need a breath;)

Hub....I mentioned the leg adjustments...that's what it was.Accept it.It's done...fixed.The forks were indeed off.All the other stuff...heresay...speculation...it doesn't count now.It's fixed.Your variables...my opinions...all null and void.They didn't apply here.You're STILL trying to redirect this deal so you can say..."See...I was right"...that's all this is.The mechanic TOLD him what it was...and corrected it.Sheesh.Finite'

"I'm conducting a 3 Variables [sort of collection] that confuses me". This doesn't confuse you in the least...it's a simple maladjustment.No variables...no shadows...or mirrors...or smoke.It pulled because it wasn't equal.Simple.Nothing to argue about...all the other 'variables' with these forks don't matter in this issue....you're trying to cast doubt on the diagnosis and fix.You can't...what they did worked....whether I like it or you like or not.Sorry.

Personally...I don't really see how an upper fork tube being 'off' by a small amount could really cause a noticeable change in front end direction...meaning...the forks internals are so fully adjustable...it would seem that they would equal themselves on the static(say riding in a straight line)...and would take up any small offset from the top tube...but....I really don't know.Maybe they're more sensitive than I think?Could be I suppose?I could see it if they were off by a bunch of mm's...but two or three?IDK?

"You have no clue if the forks were moved by some here say"...You don't trust what the OP's saying about his bike?"The facts" if you will?What else do you have to really go by...'heresay'....his.BUT...you DO have FACTS about what the mechanic said...unless you say the OP is lying?All of it's 'heresay'.Somewhere you have to believe that the OP is being honest.Or not...it's up to you.

You COULD start a thread about fork inspection(s)...how to adjust...replace,all that.I'm sure everyone would gain something good from that.Throwing doubt out about the OP's sincerity is NOT the proper way to make your point....neither is discussing 'variables' that do not apply to this issue.

Start a new thread...discuss your knowledge about variables in regards to fork performance....I'm not trying to start anything....

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Hi Lumiera,

I tried to contact you by private message, but Lumiera doesn't show up on the list.

I always want to be wrong. So if there is a photo, it should show shadow. I'm glad you are convinced. Could we conclude this with the OP wherever he may be?

It's strange to me that things like a wire goes back in some throttle body and the light goes out fandango. LOL

Oh yeah! Them there blues is me berries. I call that one. Taste like homemade? Chew buy dis, greenie?

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They loosened off the triples and reset the forks inside the triples. He also said the rear wheel was slightly off, but not by much.

Right in the book there is a set point so really, we don't know if they measured before and then set it to spec after? And with the rear wheel being off, way too many moves but the big one is coming.

With all this stuff tended too, the bike feels much much better...

So the rear was out. And if you never dropped the front end, they just went thru procedures that at 600 miles, I think it's time to check neck knock? And right on schedule, mine was knocking. So you don't know if that was done?

Admittedly there is still a tiny bit of favoring the right

Thank you. No matter the fork in the clown, I mean the crown, it stills favors right. Oh and there's more?

... but I think that's more about how I sit on the bike, as most of my bikes have felt like that.

I sea in a world of variables of see, I told you so. NOLTT

Is also gets worse the more fatigued I get, so it's more about me than the bike.

I feel for ya guy. Just keep riding no matter what lean. Got it. 3 other bikes tend to side with you.

So yes, turns out the forks weren't set properly in the triples from the factory. So for anyone with these symptoms it would pay to get it back to a dealer, advise of the problem and get them to focus on the front end/triples.

You are kind of contradicting yourself but I got my answer.

Hope this settles any debate!

4 of your personal bikes all leaning right..... Right, I got it. A clown got it too. Right up the wazoo!

* Last updated by: Hub on 7/9/2013 @ 1:49 AM *

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Hey Mate!

Keeping in mind that I'm in Australia... The guys that sorted my issue were: Peter Stevens Motorcycles at the Elizabeth St service centre in Melbourne, Victoria.

The service manager in that stores name is Randall. As I'd mentioned I'll be getting them to have one more look at it next time it's down there, but the initial correction did significantly change the feel of the handling.

Lumiera,

Thanks for the contact information. I'll pass it along to the shop.

Regards, Tom

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He also said the rear wheel was slightly off, but not by much.

Say I install a 10 pound spring in one fork, an 8.5 in the other. It says there is 1.5 more pounds of pressure pushing on that one fork. That sort of pressure is not found in a stock bike. So I would imagine the 10lb. fork is being pushed out farther than the other leg? But when you tighten the 3-points it acts as one square with the X to Y is the axle straight, or is it pulling on some leg? Or is the spring settled pushing the one [different] spring to move to the right or left, or was the rear wheel traveling like it was out of toe?

Without the one move and trying it is now a mute point. Both the front end and toe out, what are the odds it's more toe out than one reclamps the forks that meaning, X [up and down], or Y [side to side] and Y is called a bent front end? But for this to occur with 3 other bikes and the admitted seating position?

So, I just opened the bag at the other end. See if you can walk out of either side with that off spring rate and that push of the fork to axle LOL

You want your answer, Werks? Take a chop stick, a toothpick, a straight razor. Drop the wood down the fork to the top of pick some point and mark it. Either off to the side of drop it in the tube where the bar mounts? Nick a horizontal slice at it. Drop it in the other fork, or to the side, or how you measured?

Are we taking how much is the difference? So go out to the bike, and answer your steers to this or that direct is which is the lower one/higher one/etc., and are you steering left with a higher right fork? See that opposite is the move?

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Hold on all...it gets better

"See if you can walk out of either side with that off spring rate and that push of the fork to axle"...so for all you guys out here following the manual's warning about unequal fork adjustment spring rates....fuggettabout it;)...they just don't want you figuring out how to make your frontend handle better (like some have already done).

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Say the question is: If I unloosen my X is my leg; rises up in the stem, did my axle cock so as to throw my steering to a said direction or did Y remain horizontal and you now have less pressure is one spring in so many mm.

Or is my axle is my X and my 90 degrees is do I steer with the back wheel cocked and Y is why I steer to said direction?

Again, did toothpick man [breath yet] come back and show the forks even, or off by a whole bunch of mm's and they are guessing as to set the forks up on the assembly line?

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I figured it out. I been pondering this. All his bikes do it. Zero brake wear on the rear, and shifts goofy foot. He rides side-saddle. Maybe a little old fashioned, but different strokes...

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Hey Werks,

Have you had any luck with your ride?