"I am used to getting 15-20k on a set of pads"...yes...something around that at least..

In your 'new' first video there...that last attempt to spin the wheel....WHY is it stopping so quickly like the lever is being applied?It doesn't do that on the first few turns there...and....IMO....that wheel is NOT okay...the way it's turning....it should be turning more than it is.

Okay...your pistons are coming out nicely...NOW,how are they going back in....how easy?Binding?Not wanting to push back in with your hand pressure?Push em back in.Do they move back out after a bit with the fluid pressure in the line(not pumping the lever)They should...slowly begin to move inwards towards the rotor.By themselves.

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I have never used up a set of pads before. I have never bought a bike new, but during my owning of a bike, i have never had any braking issues.

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You have one now...those worn pads are telling you the pressure is NOT releasing from that side of the caliper...for whatever reason.New pads won't correct this deal.Something's not okay with the pistons on that side...OR. it looks to me like that side of the wheel is NOT lined up with the caliper/pads.Looks like a spacer is missing.Rubbing like that.The other side is fine...the left side(sitting on the bike).Look at that axle...remove that nut cover there...look in there at the bearing/spacer.That axle may not even be tightened all the way in....it's possible.OR....overtightened without a spacer holding it where it needs to stop.Pistons or alignment of wheel,rotor,caliper.Somethings not fitting right.To wear those one side of pads out like that.And the wheel not rolling freely.Maybe get that axle out...check your bearings in there if you didn't already...they should be turning with your fingertip spinning them...smoothly,without creaking or ticking feeling.Are they doing that?And plenty of grease in there?Seals not cut and damaged?

WHAT color is the ROTOR on that side of the worn pads?Both sides of the rotor the same color?...and on that 'good' side....what color is THAT rotor?

Let me ask this...WHERE is the fluid level in your reservoir....AND where is it when the bike has been ridden for an hour?If it's above that upper fill line after riding for a while....you could be causing that caliper to experience MORE pressure because of fluid expansion with heat.Are you overfilling that reservoir?...or keeping the level between the upper and lower lines.

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Viper said...."So i have had issues with fuel economy forever".

GRN said"This could DEFINITELY be the reason your fuel mileage is low".

Fucknut said"GAS'd, have a seat. Shut the fuck up already. Viper, you know that gas mileage you were complaining about? This you can contribute to brake drag".Fuckin copycat.Lapped...yer lapped.Try offering something you haven't copied from another member here....bullshitter.

"That is the fucking reason you can't reason shit out is bow the fuck out of tech shit like this. Go clean your bike"....NICE...real helpful dickhead.Go ride yer rattrap homemade scoot.This place is for brotherhood....something you know nothing about.And get back on yer meds,will ya?

So tell us oh wise and masterful user of wit...what's wrong then with Viper's brakes?It's easy...certainly YOU of all people should be able to see what's happening...the high tech involved and all with his brake drag..perhaps his chain not fitting his sprocket there?

Remember.....

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Thanks Grn14,
Anyways, something very new happened today. For the first time ever, my bike's brake actually compressed. I know it is hard to clearly explain this, but before i worked on the bike this weekend, when i would grip my lever, i would maybe pull it down 10+% and it would stop. I would just barely touch it and it would be full braking. Well, today, it felt like a regular lever. I think i pull about 20% and it starts and then 50% for full braking. Something like that. When i bled the brakes again, i really drained a LOT of fluid out of it. I never completely emptied the system. I don't have the tool to take the calipers apart. That reverse star socket. So i did all the work with pushing the pistons almost out, but not completely out and then manually spinning the piston and cleaning it. I know i should completely disassemble it, but i was not able to yet.

Anyways, i think that something that might of been clogged might be fixed now.

Thanks for the advise. Can we use new pads on old rotors? As i said, the rotors are about 4.8mm thick. The service limit is 4.5mm. I thought we were always suppose to replace together, but damn, the rotors are so damn expensive!
The other side's pads are fine, so i was thinking i would just get one set and try to match the model.

And to your other question, i do not notice a difference in color between the left and right side of the rotor. I will let you know about the fluid level. I always fill between low and high marks.

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Can we use new pads on old rotors?

as long as the rotors are not worn out or warped. I reused mine with my new pads. Just wash the old brake pad residue off good if you are particular. I think you are supposed to resurface the rotors to eliminate any/all brake pad residue ingrained. I doubt that is even a consideration if you use the same pads as last time. I went from OEM to EBC HH and no problem.

The other side's pads are fine, so i was thinking i would just get one set and try to match the model.

You may end up replacing one side at a time the rest of the bike's life if you do that. Also brand new pads may have a different ware effect on a rotor than old pads??? IDK but that one side pad replace is not somethiong that is usually done. I don't like to "try " stuff with my bike. I like to know pretty well it works and is safe so I follow the crowd.

I will let you know about the fluid level. I always fill between low and high marks.

Dave Moss recommends that it be filled right to the bottom of the HIgh mark.

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"Like I'm looking a lot when on the net"...you mean,trolling....isn't that what you're doing?...TROLLING?.I aint gotta be a master tech mechanic to see this shit.

"I'd say, the both of you sit down... Get with the owner's manual intervals or be called the joe-A-Hole I'm looking at"...You've been calling me and others here joe-a-hole from day one.At least you're consistent with your insults.Fix yer bike YOUR way....some pics might be nice as well.So everyone can see the master at work.

"I hardly read you sapshit. All I did was show up late"....maybe you shouldn't read my stuff at all then.'Professionals' don't go around bashing other people's advice.I've seen what the 'left out spacer' will do on the rear wheel.I didn't hear the expert mention anything about something as easy to do as 'forget' to reinstall that spacer.The 'spaced'side would be fine...like his pics show...the unspaced side would look and act....just like he showed in his pic.Think it's stupid advice to check em?Only to you.

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If you drop a dime, he might grab that sucker up with boxing gloves on!!

I admire your frugality (cheapassedness) Vipe. You don't NEED Pit Bull stands but spring for 2 sets of pads, for crying out loud.

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Hub, you're classic!

I want to be listening to Car Talk some Sunday afternoon and hear you on there with Click and Clack!

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"Check for the crystals"...no one here said NOT to clean his piston wells.EVERYONE said pull em apart and clean em up good.As usual....buzy creating your own version of what people have already said.

Would you ride with half a new tire someplace and half the brakes replaced?

Hub, the only reason i asked the question was because the other 6 pads are nearly new. They have less then 5k miles on them. All of the braking has been put on that one pad for all this time, so i just thought i would get peoples thoughts. I am going to get both sets. It just seems dumb to replace nearly new pads.

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I swear when my shit breaks this is gonna be the last place I go for help..................

I also have 5 other bikes to ride if the 14 goes down

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I hear ya.

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Try bikeland...or zxforums...something.I can admit IF a spacer is missing....you're going to have serious grinding going on with the wheel hub...IF the mechanic tightened the axle nut down well.But if not...the wheel could continue to spin on the bearings...and be off center as well...which is what Viper's pads look like,as well as his statement about rotor color...overheating.Besides...there's nothing wrong with telling someone to cover their bases and check things out that could easily be overlooked...some of these shops...those mechs in there....I've seen some pretty shoddy work....we all have.

I KNOW for a fact that they've lost rear wheel spacers before,and just mounted the wheel right back up like nothing was wrong.This was even posted here one time way back when.So it could happen.A 'regular' guy may not realize what's going on...until..BOOM...something really gives.

I went the direction I did because Viper mentioned he cleaned things up...and it was better...but still dragging.On that one side.I'd start with the easiest thing first...make sure all the axle components are in there first...get that out of the way straight out.A visual can tell ya that.EASY.He siad they were replaced...and this is what he ended up with...badly wearing pads...and lotsa heat and binding....AFTER the pads were replaced.He didn't say whether the guy removed the wheel or not.He may easily have.

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This forum is like eating fish...you eat the meat and throw out the bones.There's lots of good info and 'how-tos' on here...anyone with any mechanic ability can pick out what sounds reasonable,and what doesn't.I don't mention stuff I haven't actually either done myself...or seen first hand.My bikes have always been worked on by myself.I've never had any mechanical 'problems' arise because I screwed something up.But I have made mistakes while assembling or whatever.These are what I talk about...not..."Hey jerk..go and sit down...you don't know shit about anything".Viper and anyone else can make up their own minds about what they're reading.If it works(correctly)...I'd say...go with it.If it matches the manual information...I'd say...that's what ya go with.

His brake problem could be something as simple as a good cleaning and all...good...I hope so.But there's other things that could be going on as well....that's all I'm sayin.

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They have less then 5k miles on them. All of the braking has been put on that one pad for all this time, so i just thought i would get peoples thoughts. I am going to get both sets. It just seems dumb to replace nearly new pads.

ah, hell- go ahead and replace one side. If the problem crops up again, no sense in having put on two new sets. I had about 25000 miles on my pads and still a lot of ware left in them. If you are like me, 5K miles on brake pads is damn near new.

I swear when my shit breaks this is gonna be the last place I go for help..................

Can't we rib a little once in a while? you think this is bad?? You should just see what kind of ribbing I take on almost every question I post at BL. 1bad is the nicest guy over there.

I have ALWAYS gotten great direction on these forums when I did not know what I was doing. The info is not always 100% accurate but it right in the ballpark every time. It has always gotten me through every job. If we do our own work, we make the final call. Looks like you got it, Viper. IMO, 50% brake lever squeeze sounds like a hell of a lot but then again, I never looked at my hand when I was on max brake.

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Grn, I swear you and I have a Vulcan mind meld.

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"Grn, I swear you and I have a Vulcan mind meld"...you know Rookster...that's the coolest compliment and good word I've had in a very long time....I'm totally diggin it my man Just what I needed just now...AWESOME!

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Grn, I swear you and I have a Vulcan mind meld.

Coolest post ever!

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"IMO, 50% brake lever squeeze sounds like a hell of a lot but"...exactly what I was thinking when I read that...but...if it's working...what the hell?LOL!

"IMO, 50% brake lever squeeze sounds like a hell of a lot but"...exactly what I was thinking

That's because of the mind meld, Grn. Bones always used to say Spock had green blood. I guess he was right!

yes, i went for a ride tonight and looked at my hand braking. I'm sure I haven't used half lever ever. Yes, the first 10% is just play. No braking at all. The next 10-15% is about all I use in normal riding around town. Emergency braking, I did not practice that. I don't think it would be half but maybe. I have my Pazzo adjusted to shortest reach and half distance is still over an inch for sure.

Half for me is not always the same as half for someone else. When we get caught up in describing these things verbally, terms like "half" get used loosely. Looks like I am close to your size Viper but I am very light on brakes so I prolly don't pull as hard as most. different brake pads vary in initial bite and progressive bite also.

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@Rook and Grn: IDK which one of you is Spock but... when your 7 years is due please be gentle with Dr. McCoy

@Viper: please be careful when you get your scoot back on the road... maybe find a parking lot and intentionally
drag your front brakes a while... try to get them hot... see if the short lever problem comes back.

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Well Mr Green normally not being one to start crap I must applaud you on your ability to never make mistakes and know everything about anything and not be to proud to say it.
(Happy Clap Happy Clap Happy Clap)

I on the other hand could write a few chapters on screw ups that even I have to hang my head at. I have also paid those in the know $20 an hour to stand over my shoulder and tell me my mistakes as I am about to make them. That is how I learn and as you have shown in previous threads that is what amature less than rookies like myself do. You also give the impression that perfect is for amatures and you are well above perfect.

If for once ever in your life you unfortunately make a mistake don't post it here and I am sure if a mistake is made it will be some one elses fault.

I would rather deal with Hub's verbage and try to decifer it than get the verbal beat down by you for being less than perfect.

Have a good day and on a side note Kawasaki green thru out the years has sucked but the 2012 green has caught my attention as a front runner color. You do have one nice looking bike.

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Lytin said.."if for once ever in your life you unfortunately make a mistake don't post it here and I am sure if a mistake is made it will be some one elses fault"......

.Grn said...I've never had any mechanical 'problems' arise because I screwed something up.But I have made mistakes while assembling or whatever".

Okay...so just HOW do you interpret my statement as me saying..."I've never made a mistake".....Please....at least 'quote' my words accurately,will ya?

"I would rather deal with Hub's verbage and try to decifer it than get the verbal beat down by you for being less than perfect".

"for being less than perfect"....HUH??????????????quote one post where I 'beat someone down' for stating their ideas or how they're doing something....please.

"than get the verbal beat down"...I think you're confusing me with someone else around here...

Game time Lytnin....for the PRIZE...WHO said these choice words....you get three chances to WIN!
"That is the fucking reason you can't reason shit out is bow the fuck out of tech shit like this. Go clean your bike".
"GAS'd, have a seat. Shut the fuck up already".....

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I was not proud handing off an electrical problem I could not solve. Someone went right to it. That is about the only thing I can remember that sticks in my mind. I had a few minor bumps along the way. Had a guy sue the shop, being, I worked on the bike. Come to find out, he did something to his dad's bike, wanted to blame it on others.

I wish I was perfect like you, GAS'd. You hand off every job or neglect it, here comes some simple brake drag problem. Did you know about the square ring? No. Did you know that the rubber pulls the piston back? No. Do you know if there is someone taking your place on the road, someone is going flying?

I sort of put 2 and 2 together after all these years. You are a hand off kind of, better not mix up all this going no place. Now come the many page is right here is the neglect of the average joe. It was another bike handed off without normal fluid changes as per the factory; even spells it out and all you need to do is keep the bike moving past the gas pumps, but no... You won't listen to turtle.

I made cha-ching from you joe-A'zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Step pee side. Let me tea bag full a kidney spray that gomook away.

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