Grn14

Joined: 02/25/09

Posts: 5103

RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/16/12 3:52 PM

"I'm just laughing because I'm sure he's OK BTW"...like you're 'sure' about the Ktrc robbing the bike of rough power...especially when it's 'turned off'. Einsteins.I'm surrounded by Einsteins .Like you've actually ridden the bike and worked with the Ktrc...right?So you pick apart my little miscalc on the rpms deal...and that somehow 'proves' that us guys owning a 14r can't possibly know how our bikes are operating.Only the guys who don't want one...they're the 'experts"...right?I'm getting this right aren't I?Just wanted to get that straight in my mind here..crazy geezer that I am ya know .

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/16/2012 @ 3:56 PM *

lool Green you're an idiot! The TC inhibit power when "on" it doesn't when off but then you have to worry about excessive wheeling! Get it?
Speaking of wheeling, where's my vid Green? When you done, post it with a title like: Wheeling at idle speed

He picked up the camera at the end... and was no worse for wear... Would not have posted otherwise.

"He picked up the camera at the end... and was no worse for wear... Would not have posted otherwise".And then he picked up his bike,and fell over dead cause he had a rib go through his heart.We all know the future...don't we?Things aren't always what they seem...even something as simple as a lowside.Not knocking you Dogo...I know you wouldn't post something you didn't feel alright about.I know that.Just sayin though....mainly towards Drag there that 'thinks' he's got the new bike 'wired'.He doesn't.Not even close.And his critcisms of the couple of guys here that do have one(or are planning on getting one)....he's way off base with his assumptions.But..he's da man...been here how long?Whatever.Funny stuff.For sure.

"lool Green you're an idiot! The TC inhibit power when "on" it doesn't when off but then you have to worry about excessive wheeling!"

"It all comes down to throttle control. If I put the TC on I'm going to think I'm going to get away with hard down shift in icy condition and drifting out of corners".You forgot about the slipper Drag...wanna teach me about that little do dad also?

Sheesh.Excessive wheelying?Nah...where'd you get THAT from?This bike don't ride any different than my tired old 07.That's what ya'll been sayin,yes?One of the TWO reasons you shouldn't get a 14r...right?

Teach me about my KTRC...please.I've NO idea what it does or doesn't do .

"but then you have to worry about excessive wheeling!"....yeah,just the thought of lofting the big bird sends shivers down my spine.One reason I got a 200 hp motorcycle...so I would be sure I didn't ever lift the frontend .

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/16/2012 @ 4:42 PM *

Grn14

Joined: 02/25/09

Posts: 5104

RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/16/12 4:14 PM

"He picked up the camera at the end... and was no worse for wear... Would not have posted otherwise".And then he picked up his bike,and fell over dead cause he had a rib go through his heart.We all know the future...don't we?Things aren't always what they seem...even something as simple as a lowside.Not knocking you Dogo...I know you wouldn't post something you didn't feel alright about.I know that.Just sayin though....mainly towards Drag there that 'thinks' he's got the new bike 'wired'.He doesn't.Not even close.And his critcisms of the couple of guys here that do have one(or are planning on getting one)....he's way off base with his assumptions.But..he's da man...been here how long?Whatever.Funny stuff.For sure.

He posted the vid himself... watch on youtube and you can read the comments... He was fine... $19k light, but fine.

Ya...I know...he's fine.I'm not attacking you...really I'm not(I would naturally assume he's okay also).I'm just makin a point about some people's comments about what someone else says about something.Kinda like...'if I have to explain,you wouldn't understand'...you know....that deal.

Grn14

Joined: 02/25/09

Posts: 5105

RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/16/12 4:45 PM

Ya...I know...he's fine.I'm not attacking you...really I'm not(I would naturally assume he's okay also).I'm just makin a point about some people's comments about what someone else says about something.Kinda like...'if I have to explain,you wouldn't understand'...you know....that deal.

Even with the current level of tension, no need to explain. lol

Was clarifying for others... Crash vids rub a lot of guys the wrong way... even moreso than this thread.

^^^ instigator ^^^

Wow... that was one heck of a low side crash, glad he was OK. Really hate to see that happen to anyone!

Green, RG had to control the beast with taller gearing. That's what I meant with excessive wheeling. Then you said that taking the TC off will cause unsafe wheeling. There was a slipper on RG 14R, but he still went with taller gearing.

As for the vid like Dogo said the guy posted the vid so he must be ok and looking at it with a smile. You were just looking for something to chew on. So you directed your frustration at me. Oh, Looks at drag he's laughing he must be a bad guy lol.
I understand that a lot of my conclusions are drawn from limited info on the 14R performances but so far your reviews are useless. For one you don't know how a well modded 14 is supposed to haul. People who had well modded 1st generation are excited but they aren't ecstatic and that doesn't mean the 14R isn't good au contraire. We talking about a bike that perform better than the well modded earlier version. You should try and really see the pattern here. Your old bike is the problem! Let me change this thread to "why you shouldn't buy Green old ZX-14"

* Last updated by: dragking on 1/16/2012 @ 7:00 PM *

@ Kruz: Got back from the dealer, he dropped the pegs on the 10R. It's a totally different riding position. I can run errands on the bike! I'm waiting for the 2012 models to hit the floor then, I'm going to negotiate until I get a good price on a 11. The CBR is nice but the 10R got the edge now. Next track bike will probably be a leftover CBR 1000 but that's way down the road.
I like messing with PC, after market pipes and such to reveal a bike true character and the 10 R is a fun platform. Tried the 50th anniversary R1, nice but too expensive! Oh, and that dealer's got a black 14R as well. They starting to show up every where in Austin! I don't wanna start another war but... I'd say this. My 06 is black, my 10R will most likely be black and I haven't seen the special ed 14R. So far though, the blue is way better looking than the black. I understand it's all subjective of course.

Drag, cool, mine are all the way up for cornering clearance but now I have to drop them down to check this out. My dealer only had one '11 left, Kawasaki City Irving, one of the biggest dealers KHI has, $13149 OTD for the last '11 and $13449 for the '12. I hope you get the 10R, I think you'll love it. Keep it stock for awhile until you can thoroughly thrash it, green style...lool! Sorry had to throw that in there.

Check out the Passion Red/Ebony, beautiful!

Let me change this thread to "why you shouldn't buy Green's old ZX-14"

With the pegs dropped my knees are hugging the tank exactly where they should. Really nice. For track days or spirited twisties riding I would raise them though.
My dealer is saying $14000 OTD but I can tell we're not even scratching the surface. He's got 3 black and 2 green and they have to go. Lots of new bike this year. In a couple of months 10 grand OTD plus a discounted helmet is going to be a fair price.

I should probably stay the F out of this, because I'm having a hard time sorting between the genuine interest and BS comments from both sides of the fence. I said in another post that my 06 with flies out had a similar low end to the 14R (or words to that effect). I had a little work done to my 06, so along with the missing flies it was piped, tuned, etc, and dynoed at 181 hp. Maybe not as quick as some of the bikes on here with extensive work, but no slouch either....and not far off the estimated mid 190 hp ish range that the 14R is coming in at. Haven't had the 14R on the dyno, and to be honest I take dyno numbers with a pinch of salt as there is a wide potential for error up and down.

I wasn't trying to compare the 2 in some LSR high speed run, 1/4 mile drag, or laps of a road course. I haven't WOT'd my 14R yet, but from 30 years of saddle time I can tell you this - In a straight line out of the gate, my 14R is not dissimilar to the feel of my tuned 06. The second half of the rev range, and throw in a few corners, and it's an entirely different animal.

Feel free to quote me now, hopefully I my made my minor point clear. Also, yes, I am writing this from my couch.

Really for me Kruz does lose - his credibility with this thread. Instead of some nice reviews and observations we see him getting his kicks taunting others and mocking the ZX14 and those who ride it. Now tbat you are a skilled ace the 14 is a porky highway bike see how many I can talk into other bikes on the 14 board a good laugh for the other boards perhaps.

Thanks for chiming in UK. Taking the flies off, adding a good system and a good tune produce something hard to describe on a 14. After 6 years kaw finally got it right! Comparing the low end to a modded 06 is an insult to some 14R owners but when I see the money I invested in it, I think kaw did a good job. So good that I don't think taking the flies off are going to be necessary on this bird. The dyno chart I have seen proves what you're saying... from mid range up the 14R is going be way more powerful than a 1st gen with bolt ons. The top end especially is crazy. I'm waiting for your comments after you redline it! As far as the cornering, I don't know how they did it but it's good news. Most of the weight is probably low in the motor and the wheels are lighter.

@kawnow
I'm gna let Kruz answer that but as far as this thread... I truly think that the 14R is going to come out victorious. We're on a ZX-14 forum and although there are some exceptions, everybody here has a 14 and enjoy it. Yes, they are things we hate about it like the fact that she gets hot or that she could have been more agile, etc but all those issues seem to have been addressed. That being said the 14R is the first generation of a second generation and I'm sure that it will have some shortcomings we can nitpick at and after a while kaw will address them as well. After repeating this cycle a couple of times, the 14R will be almost incomparable to the 1st gen 14 and that'll be when I draw the checkbook.

My first or only choice would have never been a liter. However, I think that a liter will make me appreciate what I have taken for granted on the 14 and vice versa. Everybody wins!

Too funny!Kawnow....be careful lad.You're gonna be next on the chopping block.Thing is....a couple of guys here(not Dogo)have gone back and forth with the wind.First...the new bike's a loser.Then when a bit of opposite feedback comes in.."oh,we really think that new bike is cool"....You're not REALLY entering the conversation...you're only messing with guys' heads here.You think yer pretty sharp with your qword bending and your cheap shots....EVERYBODY can see what's goin on here.Except YOU couple of guys .

NOBODY knows WHAT my bike was like...PERIOD...but apparently the Gods of the crystal ball here have stated under no uncertain terms...it was a dog.Tired.Not strong.Okay....who's bike here hit 191mph stock?C'mon...let's see the hands now.I have PROOF of my hp run.That doesn't mean...it could outpower everyone else's here...most likely not.And I NEVER said it did,or could.Someone else made the statement that it was worn out.I showed that it was plenty kickazz....on all my riding vids.And let me tell ya right now...I wasn't runnin anywhere NEAR full throttle on those vids....only that 'high speed run" one.That was wide open.I have no desire to crash my bike.And I did keep er reigned in on those rides......But she was capable of WAY MORE than I ever ran er through the curves and such.My average speed in those turns and all are between 120 and 140...no bragging.But just sayin.If you think those curves and such are lazy deals and unchallenging...ya...maybe at 60 mph.Try em at triple digits.You think I don't KNOW what a hi performance motorcycle feels like?WRONG.And I'm sayin..this new bike is WAY ahead of my 07 by leaps and bounds...and if ya don't want one...by all means...don't get one.I don't care...I HAVE mine..

You think Kawi somehow cheated ya with the earlier models?I don't see how...but...okay.I NEVER ONCE felt 'cheated" with MY bike.Perhaps some of you guys just can't be happy(hence..the 5 motorcycles).IDK.And your pissed cause ya spent a bunch of money and STILL renmained unhappy.Not My fault or Kawis that you're spoiled rotten And don't come back and say"we never felt cheated"...cause all you've done is complain about how they didn't do this,and didn't do that.Well...they've done it now.That's what counts...now.Anyone saying the new bike's a friggin blast...you're gonna try and defend your bike and for what?It's all in YOUR heads..not the rest of the owners here.

here ya go...how's THIS quote... "I truly think that the 14R is going to come out victorious. We're on a ZX-14 forum and although there are some exceptions, everybody here has a 14 and enjoy it. Yes, they are things we hate about it"....it's gonna be 'victorious' cause it's on a zx14 FORUM?WTF??????If it's gonna be 'victorious'(over what I might add)it won't be because she's gettin 'airplay' on the friggin internet.Geez.And I'm being accused of being Koo Koo .Guess that means if EVERYONE likes YOUR bike Drag...then she's a keeper...right?Glad I'm not letting the 'masters' of my destiny here make my decisions for me

Kruz said..."Dude, you are so freekin biased, how many times has Green said "This bird's really different", "I don't know but this birds really different", I can't tell ya how different this bird is", etc. over and over and over again but you fail to note that. We're looking for some objective data"

....when I said HOW it WAS (and IS) different,I somehow miraculously became this "Racemaster of the forum"....and that I somehow implied here that the rest of you"mortals"(in Kruz's words)couldn't ride worth a shit.NOBODY except the guys interested in the new bike saw any valid comments about it when I mentioned stuff I liked.It was all...'so now you think you're better than'.Maybe ya'll were kiddin with me..seein if you could stir me up.You succeeded.And the topic that had an amount of real world info for everyone...well... it went BYE BYE.

Drag said..."Taking the flies off, adding a good system and a good tune produce something hard to describe on a 14".If you can't describe YOUR bike...how in hell can you tell everyone here that Grn's bike is tired and he doesn't know what 'good' feels like?

"Let me change this thread to "why you shouldn't buy Green's old ZX-14"..why would you?You have a bike.So what's the point?I don't think it's MARK whose got a drug problem.....he knows what he's wanting.

Classic...just CLASSIC...And I'm the one who's out of touch here .

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/17/2012 @ 1:25 AM *

LMAO. See! We need more people like Darylle on this forum.

+1 Darylle's definitely cool people!

This is what I see you on Drag, 2012 Passion Red/Ebony....badazzzzz!

* Last updated by: Kruz on 1/17/2012 @ 6:57 AM *

Too funny!Kawnow....be careful lad.You're gonna be next on the chopping block

Feel free to quote me now, hopefully I my made my minor point clear. Also, yes, I am writing this from my couch

No problem, the new bike has more topend and handles better, after six years of R&D it sounds like just what we would expect to see.

I don't see any problem here Mr. Green, I think everyone is in agreement that the new bike:

A. Has more power
B. Handles better

I think we've all been in basic agreement on these points since this thread began.

That being said, I still don't want one and that seems to be driving you nutty. If I'm going to drop big coin on another bike it would be something exotic like the BMW S1000RR or the Ducati Panigale. That is what this thread is about and has been about since the beginning. It's about choices that people make and not everyone is going to make the same choices that you do....so get over it already! Just because I don't find the 14R desirable should not diminish in any way your enjoyment of yours.

As nice as the 14R is, it's not something that I want or need parked in my garage...I'm sorry if you can't understand this.