RRW page 22 Feb 2012 ~ CU quotes:

"If there is a weak link in the latest ZX-14R's performance capability, it is the transmission."

"Why did I mess that shift? Was it me or the bike? Or a combination of the two?"

"... listening careful to the second shift of their run. Most of the time, just like me, they make the shift, but if there was one gear they missed, it was always third gear."

"... just over 4200 rpm in sixth gear while traveling 80 mph."

"Kawasaki turned well, but then wallowed through the center of the corners, which was not exactly confidence-inspiring even at slower street speeds. "

* Last updated by: Hub on 1/26/2012 @ 6:52 PM *

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So when I sat on the R, felt it between the legs, yes, it did seem to be somewhat in the steering change dept. Whatever move they made, that bike drifts out on the arch? See, you'll need grn to whip a hang his balls out on his... Then see if does drift into the on coming car... We don't hear forum grn, and I can't pound that fucking idiot like the last 3 or 4 days... Could not eat lunch today, could not stop laughing the other day, busting up making spit get outta ear sauce, I couldn't stop laughing all day.

Grn, you were taken for such a ride.... You fuking idiot... What the fuck were you thinking.... Take the bait!

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You're stuck with that pile of shitsteer... How many fucking days ASS it been? Enduro or not???? You fucking cock suck!

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GRN You were lit up like a christmas light and now the lights are on and you got one of them dare shitsteers, I bet you sell it before the thaw... How is yo maw?

Hey guys, I got me a drift tear = Smack dab into a car... Sea Ya!<(say it again) Shitsteer. Lets see you bring it home!

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Wait until you load that wiggle up on line... You are now > BUS WIDE! Say, bus wide, how come you ain't leaning over more? Takes balls to ride one now, charlie. Oh, he cum da bus he come da bus... Dogo, you know that one?

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Hub settle down, let's not jump to conclusions here that the new bike handles poorly or has tranny issues just yet. I respect Ulrich as a motojournalist and racer but he is coming off an AMA Superbike yes?

I imagine most bikes would seem a bit loose in the handling department after riding one of those bikes.

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Hubster, ease up on Grn a bit, you're filleting him like a fish! OK, maybe he got a little out of line, said a few things he shouldn't have but we all make mistakes, right? He's tried to offer you the olive branch, make the peace but you keep ripping him a new one.

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Listen guys...this transmission works excellent.Excellent.I aint missed a shift YET.And I've run er up under power more than a few times so far.If it was gonna shift bad...I'd KNOW about it by now.Ya'll said...most of ya...that yer 14's only shifted BETTER with time.Right here,right now...I'm sayin...if this baby shifts better with time...it's REALLY gonna take the cake...cause she shifts sweet right now.Period.Clutch feel and all is just great.If it NEVER feels any different,It'll STILL be the nicest shifting machine I've ever had.No one can say here..."she's worn out"....'You don't know what a good running bike should feel like'

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/26/2012 @ 8:20 PM *

Never missed a shift on my .'06, if tranny is unchanged, maybe he just got a dud?

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Oh, he cum da bus he come da bus...

Are you thinking of "another one bites the dust" perhaps?

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"you're filleting him like a fish!"...in HIS mind...not mine I don't want anyone 'defending ' me....it's all good.The GREAT part about this whole deal here that's gone down....he gets to live with himself! That's PLENTY of 'justice' in my book!

Dear Kruz...I appreciate your thoughts,I'll say it.....Hub is like a mosquito that ya clap between yer hands.His 'whatever' doesn't phase me one bit.Like one of those yippity chihuahua's....I won't even give him the satisfaction of 'thinking' he's 'getting to me'.....I have a life...

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/26/2012 @ 8:30 PM *

One more thought Hub, Ulrich rides track bikes with racing slicks and low tire pressures. The 14 is very sensitive to tire pressure. I can tell when my front tire drops below 37 psi on the street. Steering gets heavy at low speeds and high speed stability in the sweepers suffers. I like to stay right on the book figures, 42 psi F&R. Maybe Chris was running track pressures, not good on the OEM tires.

* Last updated by: Kruz on 1/26/2012 @ 8:37 PM *

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Truth be told...she ripped to redline so fast,there was no time to use that clutch lever.... and she wasn't even anywhere NEAR full throttle

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/26/2012 @ 8:46 PM *

Steering gets heavy snd high speed stability suffers. I like to stay right on the book figures, 42 psi F&R.

i would agree but that was not the case at all on the track. Low PSI was twice as safe and felt perfect with hot tires. 45 psi, I would have dropped it by the end of the day.

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Can't argue with personal experience!!!!I love that vid BTW...just awesome Rook!

One more thought Hub, Ulrich rides track bikes with racing slicks and low tire pressures. The 14 is very sensitive to tire pressure. I can tell when my front tire drops below 37 psi on the street. Steering gets heavy at low speeds and high speed stability in the sweepers suffers. I like to stay right on the book figures, 42 psi F&R. Maybe Chris was running track pressures, not good on the OEM tires.

A thought on that, Kruz.

Race pressures = I run a warm 32 under a tire warmer ~ My tire is always cooling if not on the patch, I'm in the air cooling down. That is a lot of surface when kinked over, meaning, look at that tire cooking you took out the bus.

Bus Boy Piss Pressure ON HIM = Hard, Kruz, it is hard to tell a recalcitrant anything. Best to let it happen as it goes. Dis is poetic just us. Like some, it's a beautiful thing to step over a post you care nothing about is that author. So, it is now just you and the rest of us is shun the fucker like they do hub HA RUB BEER DEER Dub not dubbing the king ASS:

Look, Kruz, I give up the ghost, the winter is going to go slow and boring. Maybe or wait for a change down the road some. I'm having some fun like some beat on hub is now someone is at the top of the heap of shit is now hear me out like the 5-the fuck you want from me? Some asshole used a 5 to coin me? I use any fucking pressure I want.

Here is the deal... If we are a bunch of slow ass is on the fastest, we run high pressure we no heat up on the road. zON the track, we heat up on top of the tire warmer is so you get up and running in the turn like the last shit can is 'BUS WIDE' ... And I'll take that bet.

Slow, you gotta figure, we run a high cold pressure, the race bike runs [a lot more heat] to 'gain a high pressure' when at race face. Face the music... No one listens to turtle... I said endurance that fucking shesmackher is go in and smack the shit out of her, she if she is awake the fuck some pee holes do is windup that waste. Not in my face... Don't go dare.

I saw that whack of shit and read some does kskid and abs and then it went all stepless on saint compression's side, you know him ass, father faith my wheels is say peas is me forks spotless as stepless ass can be? Dis is so Fun Knee!

* Last updated by: Hub on 1/26/2012 @ 9:48 PM *

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He must have got a Monday morning bike. I haven't missed a shift yet either. Transmission is super smooth, and one of the plus marks for the 14R to me is how easy it is to ride around town. No stalls, missed shifts, false neutrals etc. Mine is very easy riding at slow speed, and doesn't give you that nervous feeling that you will stall doing a slow u turn.

I've got to side with Grn on this one. This is my favorite bike to date. She doesn't stop pulling and makes me smile ear to ear every time I twist that throttle!!

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So with that said, he can run cold tires out there when the intro was going on, I cooked those tires in the cold. That, Kruz, says; I wiggle in the cold, I'll wiggle hot = New chassistiff? Well, what did they do? Stiffen the frame, wrinkle the wheels lighter. Unload is the rim.

Me gots some spare heavies and now, whip that shit out of both combo's. So, the whip out the corner steer is who cares. I can't go to japan and fix it. They don't need me, they need father fix it forks!

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He must have got a Monday morning bike. I haven't missed a shift yet either.

No, he said in the paraphrase' 'I when to an area where I could hear the other riders miss shift. Shit sure enough, they too were on a fleet, remember.' So he said, 'more than one bike' if we are in the pick a bike and now... Saint ShitoeLOT is perfect. Dose no miss a shift. Don't stand in front of dis, UK, but if we hear, or say I won't know, I don't read the long posts anymore, the line of BS you'll hear is a slow rider that can't bust a trans and 'wall it.' When I wall a bike, it ran out of gas.

Guess who is going to wall for a year?

Transmission is super smooth, and one of the plus marks for the 14R to me is how easy it is to ride around town. No stalls, missed shifts, false neutrals etc. Mine is very easy riding at slow speed, and doesn't give you that nervous feeling that you will stall doing a slow u turn.

Nervous? Are you kidding me? I crawl up to a light. I keep the assholes back they see my feet up, zip for mph and I keep moving. I will disagree about the nervous. I've never felt a better steering big bike than the 14. It's a pussycat.

You won't see that mustang wipe like I was playing with that car with my air compression, no brake. And then the slow ride into the garage and tap the lever she stops? YOu can't plant that baby any cleaner is that mean machine. Mean than a junkyardog, able to piss on YOU... No, not you, UK, don't standare... Here it comes!

I've got to side with Grn on this one. This is my favorite bike to date. She doesn't stop pulling and makes me smile ear to ear every time I twist that throttle!!

Even aSSHOLES make decent choices, like that old fart, father fartsaylot my forksay dirt TEA!

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Since maximum grip is a good thing, why not just run race pressures on the street? First, according to Michelin's Claude Leroux, increased cornering grip comes at the expense of stability and feel. Lower pressures decrease straight-line stability, and regardless of how talented the rider is, most street bikes spend a high percentage of their time straight up. A side benefit of using the proper pressure is that the front tire will feel more precise and turn in quicker-a good thing during point-and-shoot sessions

Sounds like Chris was running on flat tires, I know the feeling. Street tires are unstable at low pressures, I've had enough tires go flat to know the symptoms.

Racing tires like the BT003 are totally different animals from a street tire like the BT016. The tire carcass is designed to work with low pressures, increasing side grip and still have adequate stability.

A Pirelli engineer wrote an article awhile back about the differences between street and track tires, they do not compare, different design parameters.

* Last updated by: Kruz on 1/26/2012 @ 10:38 PM *

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Lower pressures decrease straight-line stability, and regardless of how talented the rider is...

Agree. That is why I run high 40 to 60 for knifedge steering. Back does not care either. And as you know, Kruz, you are the tire quicker picker upper with that fleet, so you know by the roll, it's hard to push. That says low pressure. I'm not saying to try my setup. I'm not listening to no one if I've done the homework and the 'bus wides' don't. Even if you ask, yes or no?????zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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I thought the same thing. That was what my street sport riding taught me. Never felt an advantage on soft tires. At the track it was totally different. I believe it has to do with the high temps the tires get up to on the track. Tires get hot and the air inside gets hot. Hot air expands a lot more than solids. The internal pressure prolly goes way up when the tire is hot.

.but IDK??-- it worked so I would keep doing it at the track. Specced pressure sucked and scared the crap outta me cornering, downshifting and braking hard.

* Last updated by: Rook on 1/26/2012 @ 10:39 PM *

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Oh no, Kruz, that was Kawi fleet and meet. Big crew changing out tires, lubing up... Big Top shit.

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I'm hanging back. I'm not going thru another gearbox I miss a shift. And if you caught some shit before I stop reading that shit, there were two guys talking. One guy goes, my R shifts without a hitch. The questionable, less credible said, what who knows, but if both never missed a shift, one is not really on the pipe as it were. And one better not stand it front of it, because the other already stepped in his own pile of shit.

That says, once season is open, you'll see slow riding, good music? And with Saint Compression shifting to the beat... that tranny won't be abused that bad... ASSay matter ofact, zI never missed a shift on the 14... Yep, nether bike. And Chrisaidayetoverevampissays he.

That too says, parts is parts his have at it! No change, same 3-4 that Bus Wide has not one single problem with, but the editors were busting out what I can do on the fly say just give me one and yep... Same-Same... No change HO.

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I really wish I could understand what you are talking about sometimes Hub. You have a lot of good info, but by the end of the paragraph I am lost every time. Not a dis, I just have to get the "Hooked on Phonics Hub Edition" and brush up.

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