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That is so true!

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How is she runnin Cara?

She's running great C, still haven't been able to wring her out as my son has been on the back
Since it's spring break, he's going back to school Tuesday, so I am going to hit it hard then !

But even he noticed the difference from the guhl flash to yours ! She's running smoother,
I took out the noise suppressors, and the decel pop is a lot less than when the noise suppressors
Were In with the old flash, I had to put the noise suppressors in with the old flash partly because
The old flash, and the low end was not as responsive with the old flash with suppressors removed,

Now the low end is smooth with the suppressors out !

To let you all know, I sent my ECU out directly to guhl first, not the brock/guhl flash (if there is a difference)

Now I don't know if I looked on the computer screen, if I would know if my safety mode was still in there or not,(although to me,it seems it was)
I don't want to start a war over that, what I do know, is that with Cblast's flash, it is running smoother,
Cooler, amd my son even noticed a difference in how it responded, as I said, I haven't been able to take it
Through its paces YET, but I will !

There is one thing I need to add, when I talked to guhl, he was kind of trying to convince me to
Run a PCV, he seems like a nice man, BUT ther is something I think I should say,

I talked to Ivan at length one time, and he told me, that he (Ivan) was the one who found
And removed the "safety mode". And that guhl/brock took the credit, it's just something
That I feel I should say, he also said that is why he (Ivan) gave out the 'wire snip"
Mod for the ZX10 for free, to get an extra 12-15 HP on the Zx10 for free (which it does)

Just something to think about, not trying to start a war, just something I wanted to get
Off my chest, for Ivan to give a mod, or information out like that for FREE, is saying something...

I will try and not bring this up again, please understand my intentions ....

Be safe my brothers !

We hear ya Cara. So glad ur liking the flash bud! I was Rollin along today listening to oldies. Chuck Berry 'Maybelline', awesome song, had me frickin rippin!

clicky!

* Last updated by: Cblast on 4/30/2014 @ 7:52 PM *

Damn corn, really, you have effectively burned my retinas!!!

Just something to think about, not trying to start a war, just something I wanted to get
Off my chest,

No war Cara, your telling the Truth as you see it. Helps us all learn. The tech does draw me in so I will hope to shed some light.

Now I don't know if I looked on the computer screen, if I would know if my safety mode was still in there or not,(although to me,it seems it was)

Cara When safety mode kicks in bike falls on it face 60 ft times. Run a higher gear roll into it she falls forward. Guhl was the first into this, let me assure all who read Guhl has got this covered. It's not very hard to do.

There is one thing I need to add, when I talked to guhl, he was kind of trying to convince me to
Run a PCV, he seems like a nice man, BUT ther is something I think I should say,

I hope also explained why ? If not I will take a shot at it.

When the flash is made it's "Not Made On Your Bike", with your mod list, your fuel, your elevation your Air.

So with that being said. Here are some facts

Brock with Don found a AFR line that covers the Fastest Time To distance Tuning in their flash. Not just hp #'s

Once ECU is Flashed, from here ECU gets mailed out to where in the world ? What elevation, what fuel, full pipe or Slip - Ons ? What is the AR of the day ? These are variables all of us need to consider.

Run your own tests on your bike. You will see the AFR line is "Not" what you were promised, So ,,,, Adjust it. Simple Right, but please don't believe blindly it's perfect because it's not.

Ok Here is one that makes me scratch me ole Noodle. How is it all of a sudden everyone believes one ECU flash fits all bikes, in all conditions, ROFL,,,,,,,, IT CAN"T. Yes the bike needs it, and yes we enjoy the benefits from what we get but fact is "you" the owner can go to your local race shop and tweek your flash with Woolich or PCV or any other aftermarket After ECU piggy to make it better.

This info is not meant to shock anyone. But I bet it does. If so, then the insults will fly. But please keep the Tech Clean.

Facts ; Brock/Don shows AFR line we know can get Lee down the Quarter mile in 8.4s AFR #'s used 13.6, 13.8

C'blast gave you a AFR # of 13.1 what it runs ?

If you guys don't have the AFR listed above this you could benefit from a custom tune. This is what Don Guhl is trying to say.

Hope this Helps Cheers.

Not adding to the fire, but I have a C flash and the full system muzzy. She performs like and sounds like a formula car.

Romans bro, how can kawasaki make one ecu tuned to run all elevations and conditions across the globe?

* Last updated by: Cornelius on 5/1/2014 @ 5:35 PM *

Romans bro, how can kawasaki make one ecu tuned to run all elevations and conditions across the globe?

Exactly How ?

They play it safe and run rich. Most of these PCV Maps for our bikes are pulling any where from 8 to 15 percent up top depending on pipes etc. But , they may not be what you need. Only need to look at the Dyno sheets guys are posting up to see the differences AFR all with the same flash.

If your AFR is 12.5 you have more waiting, if your 13.8 getting lean, but not knowing on your bike is ????

If you want the Max go make a run at your favorite dyno shop, study the #'s and tweek from there. I could never get my bikes to Run brock's Afr lines with out tweeking. Our fuel is full of ,,,,

Testing your own bike is the only way you will know for sure. Data logging one up again but please Test Your self. The want to believe in the Magic Pill or Flash that fits all is well misleading. Make a run Post your line. We all have been shown what works.

The majority of people who buy and use brocks PC5 and maps don't dyno tune them, yet their bikes run great. How is a flash any different?

* Last updated by: Cornelius on 5/1/2014 @ 5:57 PM *

Not adding to the fire, but I have a C flash and the full system muzzy. She performs like and sounds like a formula car.

I'm very sure runs great wolf, looking forward to hearing a fly by. Love that Muzzy M-10 scream. My fav by far. Just wicked.

The majority of people who buy and use brocks PC5 and maps don't dyno tune them, yet their bikes run great. How is a flash any different?

Mine didn't run great. I thought it did, then I got it dialed in, then it ran great on his AFR Line. Others may have Exactly the AFR line Brock designed into his map. They are the lucky ones. All his video's are posted on you tube. check out the AFR lines and see if you have it for your bike.

Flash is Not any different in the fueling side of it. ECU does read more into the 3D side of it but the fueling #'s we flashers give you. Are they going to be perfect NO ! then we can reflash or tweek for you. Still better to drive your bike into someone you trust.

I agree there will always be room for improvement but I believe the flash is the most precise and effective way to tune the bike, especially for those of us, like me, that have to travel all day just to reach a place that can and will properly dyno tune and now when we have to travel that far we are no longer at the same elevation or conditions as at home.

* Last updated by: Cornelius on 5/1/2014 @ 6:11 PM *

I agree there will always be room for improvement

Always

Important for peace of mind to test after making any changes. What works for one does not always work for another. AFR line shows this very clearly in all these new Dyno sheets being posted. Blind Faith is a tough one.

Anyway Having fun is the important side of all this. Cheers

Dude these bikes have outrageous technology and the most advanced algorithms coded into the ecu, yet the ecu is unable to stick close to the target AFR?

* Last updated by: Cornelius on 5/1/2014 @ 6:30 PM *

BTW I'm not trying to single you out or anything, I just like to challenge people sometimes. It's how I like to learn and better understand things. I do this to Cblast all the time.

yet the ecu is unable to stick close to the target AFR?

If we ran closed loop then we would have it made. 4 now we play with what we have in the open loop. Some day.

I have to disagree and agree with that statement. Open loop will never match closed loops exactness due to the fact it can't account for engine wear, but under most circumstances it should never be more than a half point off max. For street riding 99% of people will never know the difference. The only time that half point of precision will ever matter or make a difference is if that person is racing.

I have to disagree and agree with that statement. Open loop will never match closed loops exactness due to the fact it can't account for engine wear, but under most circumstances it should never be more than a half point off max.

I think we are saying the same thing ?

So long as the AFR is damn near a consistent flat straight line within that half point of the target across the board she's gonna be a powerful and smooth beast anybody can enjoy.

And that right there is where having the ecu flashed is the best route and does not necessarily require a second retune to have a smooth and great running machine.

* Last updated by: Cornelius on 5/1/2014 @ 6:56 PM *

So long as the AFR is damn near a consistent flat straight line within that half point of the target across the board she's gonna be a powerful and smooth beast anybody can enjoy.

Agree, is it ?

And that right there is where having the ecu flashed is the best route and does not necessarily require a second retune to have a smooth and great running machine.

Hmmm, you are running Brock's finest high flowing exhaust. By Brock's own admission the CT is better flowing than the Alien Head 2. Flash you run was made on bike that was slip-on based with stock header. I would test it if it were me, just because it's my bike. And ALL that there is, is what that kick ass Exhaust deserves given it's price tag. Testing is only way to know. Or believe one Flash fits all. Faith is a gift I have learned not to trust.

The want to believe is strong. Show me different and I will concede.

Cheers