Interesting! Very interesting aproch you have there Cblast!

* Last updated by: nasty on 9/1/2013 @ 10:55 AM *

I gotta give props to ZXracer...he hit the nail on the head.I would want 'more'from the factory configured setup.And I did get it.I'm happy with the results.I don't need any 'more'...shit...this thing rips right now just fine...and I think it's a safe rip...motorwise and all.Plenty here to keep me happy for a LONG time...if I don't get myself killed first!LOL!!!!This is where you REALLY have to trust your tires...tell ya that...either trust or go home;)

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 9/1/2013 @ 10:58 AM *

Well...I wouldn't exactly say..I'm scared of it.Let's just say...I have more RESPECT for it now...afterall...it doesn't give a shit whether I end up in the ditch or notLOL!!!But I can't afford any more 130,000 dollar hospital stays....know what I mean?

C your taking it to far again, relax man. No need to go after me or grn or anyone if we don't see eye to eye on EVERYTHING. To go after what I did to MY bike and talk like it's a piece of shit and I just rigged it up is uncalled for. I will not post anymore on the subject because my opinion is for some reason causing an uproar. Take care boys and remember IT'S A FUCKIN BIKE.........RIDE IT,cause if your cruising or racing I can bet you its all the same, IT'S THE RIDER MOD you guys need to crack or work on, that is the difference at the end of the day. Only soooo much we can do to them, I know what i'm going to do for now on....................RIDE IT!!!!!!

* Last updated by: zx14racer on 9/1/2013 @ 11:28 AM *

Busa guys have this all figured out , it's time we zx14 guys do to .

* Last updated by: nasty on 9/1/2013 @ 11:43 AM *

Man nasty I reallyyyyyyyyyy wanted to let this go but you keep lobbing pitches over the plate to me. What has been cracked?????????????? From what I have seen on this forum from numerous threads and dyno charts is nothing. My bike from early 2012 after pulling the flies and using a basic brocks map on my pc5 I have put the same or more power everywhere on a dyno chart. We all put out a lil over 200hp and we all hit are peak tq at 7500 rpms, so what has been cracked??? Because people say there bike is different or better??? Well I got that beat hands down and do you know how??? They NEVER RODE someone else 14r EVER. So how the hell can anybody say whos is better????? This is just mind blowing crazy. Someones opinion is shit to me and all that matters is what WE SEE ON A CHART PERIOD. And no one has anything different. Don't come back and say anything to this subject till SOMEONE has a dyno chart of a proven stock engine 14R that puts out 210-215hp+ then we have cracked something. Everyone of us rides the same dam bike, we just have a lil different mods, and you know what nasty, every single bike looks the same to me on the charts, not someones OPINION. If you find a person who has rode a couple of 14r's and theirs is wayyyy quicker or wayyyyy smoother than the rest of us and has PROOF, call me. Until then lets just relax and stop going back and forth going after each other. This is the problem in forums, it always becomes a pissing contest eventually.

* Last updated by: zx14racer on 9/1/2013 @ 12:00 PM *

I agree it needs to be proven over time on more bikes! But don't be so quick to shoot down a fresh idea. I'm just a mechanic all I can offer you are theories and numbers. What's been laid out, I beleive, is the groundwork for a tuners creamdream come true. I can assure you that, I'm willing to lay my head down on the chopping block on this. It will take real world application to prove it. The last thing any of us wants to do is push someone back into hiding with the knowledge they were willing to share! Kawi has given us formula 1 level of technology at our disposal! Lets exploit that and take advantage of it while we can! I would love to see all them piggybacks thrown away! Lets get some heads together and mold the 14r into what we all know its capable of! I apologize for ruffing any feathers out there, that was never my intent.

On another note, Smoking, I am curious about the E85. Do we need to up the fuel pressure or change to larger injectors to take full advantage of running 85% ethanol? Or is what's already there capable of getting the amount of fuel we need into the cylinders? I haven't really spent much time looking into running E85 but zxracer got me thinking about it.

* Last updated by: nasty on 9/1/2013 @ 1:02 PM *

Fair enough nasty, but out of a stock engine nobody will get anymore power out of it than what brocks and guhls have already. Remember these guys go to work and make a living working on tons of 14's and other bikes. Not just their own. If anybody thinks they no more than pros making a living doing it than your crazy, or it is real simple SHOW ME. There should be nothing to hide Lee himself said if anyone here has something better than guhls or brocks send it to him and let him test it out. What's to lose???? Very honest guy, and could you imagine if romans or cblast sent theirs and he actually went faster or even noticed a difference........holy shit you guys would make a shit ton in sales, and you know it. So send it to lee, no more talk, put it to the real test..........the road. And if your really right well my money and most others money will be in your wallet I can tell you that. But until then it's more internet forum talk PEROID.

* Last updated by: zx14racer on 9/1/2013 @ 1:10 PM *

Are we responding to C with skepticism for having a new idea and the skills to deliver it into a razor sharp machine that costs less (r and d) and accomplishes 200 hp?

I am excited about all the ideas here. I have a piggy back and a Dyno tune, plus a flash. I am very happy with my ride. But I read C's work on the ECU with enthusiasm.

We are all friends here, we commit to our bikes in different ways. I've ridden along with Romes 14 Turbo bike. The man is a wealth of knowledge. C too is a brilliant technical and mathematical mind. These men are different than I. I read what they discover and then pay to put it in my bike. Hats off to both of them and if I am paying less for more hp or as Romes says, "dollar for horse power," many gentlemen here may take advantage of it.

You have options, advice and resources my brothers. Man I pitty that Busa!
W

* Last updated by: Wolfman on 9/1/2013 @ 2:23 PM *

Romes I too appreciate your submission and C the Priscilla tune info was also a generous contribution. For us, by us! Wow, you dudes elevate this forum and our mental ride stance.

Oh yah, Page 5 sucka's

Oh yah, Page 5 sucka's

Lol, does not have too. As long as we all keep talking civil more knowledge will flow.

Romes well stated!

This was a great read ..I have run my bike with just about every combo , flashed , not flashed ,flash one and flash two , flies in flies out ..I have had the flies in and out so many times it is not funny any more .

Thanks Lee for taking the time to read what have seemed old hat you.

Brock slugger bike ran the best numbers with them out

.I ran my best numbers ( MPH and ETs) with flies out

Is there more ET and MPH to be found by playing with the ECU ? I'm sure there is.. Will there be a magic button in the ECU that will give you 10 HP ?

I so wish there was. Lee I have 5 different Dyno Tuned Maps in front of me for the 14R. All take a different approach to the Same end. I can see where Brock goes off the AFR line for better power and torque. Also see where Ivan spends his time to smooth out the AFR line for street drive ability. Some others don't seem to have a goal in mind #'s erratic and swing back and forth but the wide open TPS finial dame close to the same.

I think what you guys are doing with this flashes is very cool , the more people doing this the more we all learn . Busa guys have this all figured out , it's time we zx14 guys do to .

Yes but they currently have real time data logging Inside the ECU via Wide Band. This is soon for us but untill then we work with what we have and pray for more. Once Justin lets us in All new maps will be on the seen and our old ones will seem silly again. I for one will be on top of the world cell tracing in real time with Ram Air In Play. Going to need more tires to make those Maps but they will be to die for. Sooooon. For now Busa has the edge in this cat.

if you guys think you have a flash that is the best thing next to sliced bread I would be happy to test it back to back same day , same track ..I could be wrong but I don't think the difference will be any at all ..I could be wrong but still willing to try it ..I will also be testing Guhls E85 flash ..I had tried it and it did ( butt dyno ) seem stronger but was unable to prove it because of bad track prep ..

Lee to sit track side with my lap top jacked into your bike to test run after run would be a dream for me. Using ET's with Raim air in play to build a perfect ECU map would be better than any time to distance map made on a dyno. Truly Awesome indeed. Yep want one of those. Give ya 250 for it lol Another ten grand if it get me your ET's Cheers.

Guys Land Speed Larry was nice enough to send me one of these. Bill Warner was Truly a very special man. He is gone but Not Forgotten.

A small donation to the family is greatly appreciated. Maybe Lee has a Link ?

Guys Land Speed Larry was nice enough to send me one of these. Bill Warner was Truly a very special man. He is gone but Not Forgotten.

A small donation to the family is greatly appreciated. Maybe Lee has a Link ?

Very cool Romans!

Grew up with the guy that rode the slugger bike (Terron), he and his big brother taught me alot about launching a bike, I have to agree with zx, lets stop argueing points and just ride the bike after all we are not making any money for riding our bikes we are just dudes gettin it in on the streets, all points in my opinion are good and effective ways to get to 200 hp, lets just enjoy the ride, YEE HAA. feel me C blast.

* Last updated by: Bobby914 on 9/1/2013 @ 8:21 PM *

A 14r with tuning is 200 hp bike give or take a few depending on the dyno and conditions.I looked at the torque curve on multible bikes, smooth is what catches my eye,for street or track (calabogie mosport etc) smooth is of the utmost importance.then it's up to rider.one bike may feel faster then an other due to a hole in the power band.C's curve is very smooth great for railing, but I doubt if he would see any difference drag racing.I think Romes is doing a great job,Grn raves about the flash,he also adjusted suspension.well of course it's faster a smoother bike properly set suspension improves things a lot,with new tires it will be faster still .I'm waiting for the ultimate tune. the CRH tune,until then I"ll keep riding my slow little 14, heading up to Thunder Bay tomorrow

",until then I"ll keep riding my slow little 14"...LOL!Aint nothin slow about this 14R....except maybe me riding it;)

YEE HAA. feel me C blast.

Oh yeah bobby! ;)

FRiggin tires wear on my bike so dam fast...I can't afford any more powerLOL!!!!!4 tires in 7K miles...geez.NEVER was it so....(much fun);)

I'm waiting for the ultimate tune. the CRH tune,until then I"ll keep riding my slow little 14, heading up to Thunder Bay tomorrow

Hey Darryl, if you heading up to thunder bay take My ECU, swap out ? Yours to play with any time.

Grew up with the guy that rode the slugger bike (Terron), he and his big brother taught me alot about launching a bike, I have to agree with zx, lets stop argueing points and just ride the bike after all we are not making any money for riding our bikes we are just dudes gettin it in on the streets, all points in my opinion are good and effective ways to get to 200 hp, lets just enjoy the ride,

Very nice to have some one who knows there way around the track give you pointers. My first time on that sticky pavement was a eye opener. Much much harder than it looks.

As far as arguing, there will be none of that from me, Ever. If I ever disagree I will open up knew thread in the hopes all real world info will flow in. As weird a method as it may be my goal remains the same, "Civil Discussion". Which does get the real world info to all who read and the many who read and don't post. In the end the viewer must decide. As soon as arguing starts I'm gone, Nothing will ever be that important.

lol, Though, I must admit I did learn allot from Hub and Ivan's 21 page(I think)discussion which at time did appear heated. Ivan did leave in the end I thought Never to return but he does make the odd post now and then,,,,

As for C'Blast and I, Lets be clear I was never mad, just very disappointed when he jumped on me for asking what was SAE reading, then proceeded with asking if I even know what it means, Ouch. I most certainly meant no harm. My only hope was to point out to Zx that he is missing nothing and the hp #'s just may be in the diff uses of the scales. My intentions were honorable. I did not want to muddy up his thread so out of respect I started this one. Funny, as the thread rolled on I almost forgot what the reason for starting it was.

Anyway hope is all ok, and this post clears the air, if nothing else was a good thread and got all of us talking. Cheers

Testing continues.

Side note, could not get my around which Exhaust for Turbo set up so installed the full Akra for now.(pipe will be for sale later just needed for testing)

Oddly enough had my gauge on Beasts Akra Dual Header. His dual header is bigger in Diameter from the head than the Akra full system. The Dia does get bigger rolling down to mid pipe but could not get a exact read if they were the same with the plastics on. Even stock was header was bigger Dia. Good info for any of you guys looking.

That Akra dual should have better top end HP one would think. But, Also Explains why Ivan's Dyno sheets show much bigger hp and torque #'s up the middle with the full Akra,,, but,,,, Ivan shows better top end hp as well which makes no sense to me. Not buying into it. So we test, been wrong before.

Wolf and I are both heavy guys 6'2 238 for me, he is close to the same in weight but taller. Hoping to do a few roll on's maybe later today if rain holds off. I predict I gain a little in the bottom and he smokes me up top.

Wolf has one of my early flashes when I fist started, so I will flash to the same keeping it even as we can.

Also I installed a PCV with Map switch. There will be two diff ECU Flashes on the thumb. Hope to see the diff in Ram Air with the 4 Map combo set up. Cool stuff. Love it. This will be my last chance to test before I go boost. Will post later if you guys want to know. All in good fun. Cheers

Plan is to do a few pulls later in the month. Will post results.

Romans my man, you had every right to be dissapointed in me and my temper. I wish once I focused on a goal, I was better at not focusing so tightly I forget the rest of the world is still just people. Not weird focus machines. I owe you a personal 'fuck it'!', and a beer! And I want to polish all your toys for you because I am envious of your lifestyle and someday I want to be polishing all my toys! :))) cheers Romans my man. Hope you will forgive my eccentricities until my maturity catches my actual age. I am trying hard not to be seven. :)))

What I find amazing...is a guy who has such a passion for things...and is able to actually look back in retrospect and see himself as he is....now THAT takes guts...being honest I mean. Truth is...great blessing is covering you C....bigger than you can imagine;)Don't change.Regardless of who tries to stop you from being YOU.