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Thread: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R

Created on: 10/29/11 11:20 AM

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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/30/12 1:26 PM

"But was it a wide open showroom with lots of space, or a tight technical showroom with lots of obsticals? You need all the facts".....UK....you're not helping


I SAID ...I could feel something was different.NOT "it handled a certain way" Too funny!....


And yes..there were obstacles...zx10's and Vulcans...all over the place!


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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/30/12 1:35 PM

Ok guys take it easy.... this is a genuine question...Drag Racing is still terra incognita for me. Remember when I said I didn't start comparing the 1000RR to the 14 or 14R... Brocks did!
Anyways, my question is we've seen the 14R break into the 8's... but is the 1000RR still a threat at the strip
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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/30/12 4:14 PM

I'm just playin along

The numbers are speaking for themselves...IS the 1000RR matching the 14R's numbers?

The 14R's a DRAG bike first and foremost.That beeemer is a TRACK bike.NO BODY can beat that new Ninja stock for stock in the 1/4 mile.


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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/30/12 7:31 PM

8.44 @161 mph, yea, I'd say that Beemers a threat. What's Smokin's best on a 14R, 8.55?


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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/30/12 7:35 PM

BTW, I talked to 1Bad the other day and he gave the full poop. Smokin's best on his New R is .22 quicker than his old 14 but he's twenty pounds lighter now and used autoshift vs manual shifting on the old bike. That could easily account for most of the difference.



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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/30/12 8:03 PM

Smokin's best on his New R is .22 quicker than his old 14 but he's twenty pounds lighter now and used autoshift vs manual shifting on the old bike. That could easily account for most of the difference.


Now that's got to make you think ?????? 2nd diff is accounted for.

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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/30/12 8:14 PM

You must be stoned if you think his body as in 10 to 15 lbs is the only difference. I mean really this new engine is 89cc bigger with better flowed head bigger cams more compression an yet it's well maybe almost the same as mine. If you ever followed smokin stuff he had the head milled and some nitrous to get those numbers on the old bike. Try to be realistic here for a minute.

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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/30/12 8:27 PM

Ok I mean he ran same time as new with a 30 shot on the old bike I do believe so a 30 hp increase and they arw the same.

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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/30/12 10:34 PM

Well, I took another floor sample. I had to sign a release if I was going to move it off its stand and move it farther that 3 inch is... Insurance policy, so he said.



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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/30/12 11:14 PM

Interesting.... Brock mentioned the stock motor beemer time and that was still crazy!!!!
I would like to know the mods smokin had on his 1st and 2nd generation. I'm thinking 15 lbs and auto shift on a meaner motor gotta give you more than .22 unless, like Kaw pointed out some nitrous, is involved.



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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/31/12 1:46 AM

Hey has anyone mentioned their is a 10 mm longer-wheelbase on the 14R to the 14 & the front Forks (Spings) are stiffer units too? and from what ive also seen the New Battalax Tyre has a lot LESS of a Chicken Stripe to the rear compared with a Simmilar KMS Battlax 014 ZX14 demo bike next to the 14R I noticed it last week in the show room ! and I must add Shane is mostly the only one at SA Bikes that's took both of the new ones home in the hills every night !


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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/31/12 6:51 AM

and some nitrous to get those numbers on the old bike
Smokin listed 8.77 as his best all motor pass on his old one, on nitrous his best time on his old bike was quicker than his best time on his 14R so far.



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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/31/12 7:52 AM

You must be stoned if you think his body as in 10 to 15 lbs is the only difference.

You're right but the autoshift can make a big difference. I'd like to see back to back runs comparing the old bike with the autoshift and new lighter Smokin on board.



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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/31/12 8:29 AM

My impression is that the press needed more time on the bike. If this chassis is going bus wide, I think it's a good thing. You have to have that kind of bus ride it out. You don't want it to pull in or it plows. So, the push out is to send that power on the wide out...

Gotta wait for the less bus widers to chime in... And I'm seer wee us for some valid info, not someone that clicks one dial, says it's good to go. Not when I'm watching 4-Time work his ass off on those clicks. Tell me is tell you what I saw.



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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/31/12 9:17 AM

By the way Kruz I liked your post in here that I missed first time about tire pessure. I believe mfg pressure settings are best. Many people think they are experts on tire pessure. Now as far as smokin's numbers remember that's his best numbers after a great many runs and tuning.

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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/31/12 9:58 AM

Kaw,

I'm going to stand in that, many people think they are tire out of the box spurts this scenario.

42 psi = I listen to the experts and now that is to say the tires or whoever said it... Now say it.
60+Pee = Yes Eye did say, if the experts were to stick toe their guns, the runs would now be for the best mileage out of the tire. That is to say, out of the tank.

That 42 ex-squirt [tire guide] can go goo in his pants if I'm running above 45 on the front for some skirt action. YOu can literally tell if the edge is off, you roll out the driveway. Hose the expert make the tire chatter go away at any pressure? Nope. It chatters with the correct or the higher up the skirt we ice sharpen the front steer.

I threw myself on that expert carpet, call me an expert is like calling someone with valid compression session numbers. Those are their numbers. Are we talking street or race? Drag and road are two different settings. Ask 'the hand' what his setting are f&r?

So, right there is high mileage I listen to the experts? Bow me out of being some expert if we go high mile racing for gallons LOL



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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/31/12 10:11 AM

Well, I jacked up all the bikes to book specs on the tire pressures. The 14 and cruiser love the higher pressures, 42psi F & R on both. The liters and 600 are not as happy at book spec 36/42 F&R in the cold weather. I had my CBR bust the tire loose a couple times Saturday morning but it was 43 F. I'm not going to say it was all the fault of the higher presure, cold tires are spooky period. I'm a warm weather rider myself, 60 F and up and I'm good.



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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/31/12 11:49 AM

Interesting.... Brock mentioned the stock motor beemer time and that was still crazy!!!!

I stand corrected... In the vid, the other time Brock mentioned for the RR is on Stock Wheelbase not stock motor. Sorry for the bad info.
Frankly, what I want to see is a stock ZX-14R v.s a ZX-14 (preferably an 06) with the basic bolt on mods i.e no flies, full system and of course PC and custom map. I wanna see the $15k bikes versus the $9k bike and see if the price difference is worth it. Does anyone know what's going on with the flies removal on the R? I don't think the mods we're used to do on 1st gen are going to have as much as an impact on the 14R. Will the slip ons numbers be close to the full system's????????



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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/31/12 12:25 PM

The R is a monster and I would stop comparing it to the relic gens. YOu compare with ... With WOTT?WOT suzummmm comes out with.



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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/31/12 12:29 PM

Engine forward, swing back = Looks like a dart to me. Now, just add some torque to sent off the platforum. Amazing Anemic is my piss relieve.... I mean, my press release... If I were to press the issue of two things. No HP and the other ?



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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/31/12 12:34 PM

So, WOThey did was spit directions, the wide happens you lean over. The swing my bring it back and follow the engine forward with less swing. I'd have to now, swap swings and see if the wide walks away? A click away says the expert(ss)set the clicks and all is gone...

One is taking a guess where to go, the other clicked to... NO WIDEeffect = 1 Click of the fucking forks. I knew the expurrts would findit.



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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/31/12 12:35 PM

Membershit input is shit output. I got a lot of info coming her I do I do!



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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/31/12 12:51 PM

Because it went in the keep the wheel down on loft, lofted dis bike where now? YOu think I'm going to believe that hype? Why did the press say wide, and the other member here. That green bike that is being peppered all around here is the odds one is a throwaway.

So, I rather you throw away my info, no one listens to turtle anyway... Now, that we are sort of your static, no sound, or sound off, things are silent you asked a step to the toe music; you get static. Copy is what you get. You get the danno copy me. So, every site looks like me, here danno goes on a goose chase and this is how I feel here.

I chase goose info. I type that simple step question, it goes to some bike site, some car site and once the 02 begins, it's where is the room light? Did it go dark? Well yeah, you set the engine forward, where is my snap up to N? WOT is this wide and wide is how do you explain how far is wide and now what pulls that in? N?

Didn't we lose the N feel? E forward A longer?

No longer the N but the Wide? So, I think after all the crap that was running fine till stop, think what you are saying, you said shit and click all along. Compress the set is your asshithe fuck down I tink I got the two, IMO...


1. No, get out of the slump = Mo HO
2. Where are you going with a spitter, I snap wide o the pull? I like!
3. But that is a fucking variable!
4th variable = E-F A-FaR The the opposite ways.

That's right, it farts the other ways is ways is parts is parts LOL



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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/31/12 1:07 PM

I'm looking for a dart away from a large moving mass of metal. If one is pulling fly, that says let me stretch out this anemia, snip the frame here, pee say dough the swing dis way.

Hey, now that you builtay< for wide, or Why?; I like the straight away is the dart on rain drive out the light. YOu see where I'm going? If you are going to make an absolute amazing dart... Get the fucking farts in there so they shoot the stink the fuck out of dare.

IMO, you didn't load me pants enough. You made me legs come in for the forward slashing at that light. I now have body over forward engine. I have the dog moves... Wait for the light... Sneak up on it and time the green. It's a beautiful think with the ape for parts is parts.

I split those lanes like the creep in between those cars was the red waiting. The left lane had the right of way, so I knew if someone was going to blow threw that red? I made such a gap bye the time I looked in the mirror, I would have spent less time shifting that ape silly, is more like a few pulls up the toe in less time is my crime for not one car was there the rest of the time to the next light.

That is the Fox-Field=Fix. Gate her done! Buy the time I get these two piles out of my g-rage, the other intro of the other wider comes buy her. 'We knew you were going to go wide her so we builthe darto go straighthe fuck dis is a nice 2ndgen-R!



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RE: 2 reasons you shouldn't buy a 14R
01/31/12 1:23 PM

When I say you slow creep up to the light so yur feet never touch the groundall day why home...
http://animalvideos.yahoo.com/video-detail?vid=27991958&cid=24037719

What you are telling me is again, I have to mirror y0u is mirror me? Tell me that 14 can't creep on par with that ape? YOu knowhyouridingay? Why, because I sad so.


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