"I love them both but guess where I differ is that the S1000RR is quite a lot more fun to ride than my 14R. It also is EVERY bit as fast if not faster, plus it handles. Getting off one and on another really demonstrates the precision or lack thereof regardling handling."

Can't say I ever noticed this much getting off a liter or supersport and climbing on Big Red (ZX-14) unless I did a couple hundred miles of twisties on the smaller bike. The 14 is a flagship ride from Mother Teapot, you won't find me complaining about power or handles. If you have only one bike, the 14 or 14R is a hard act to follow. Just my .02

the 14 or 14R is a hard act to follow.

I read the rss and said, that's gotta be Kruz. And that's a no shit.

I plan to have the 600 mile service done next weekend. Ill then have access to the slick mode

Gonna put on the exhaust right after that , as well

The bike is just about polar opposite to the 14R in every way. The power starts to rear its head just before the limiter kicks in. The surge of power starts to come alive at about 7-8K rpm. Then the limiter kicks in at 9K

Whereas the 14R has power on tap , all the time

I want to again reiterate that as a rider I am new to Streetbikes: green as a ford
But the bike, itself , is all all I am praising so much and that all the buzz that comes with owning one of these amazing bikes is such a rush; from my limited viewpoint and in my eyes as well as in the eyes of 90 percent of the test comparisons done, the bike itself, is "the bike to beat"

The handling is really impressive, cornering especially

And i thought the Z1000 was a good cornering bike. But this thing!!!

It's basically a track bike that is street legal. Has more advanced electronic features that I've yet to fully comprehend. LOL and with the exhaust and PCV, it'll obviously gain peak Hp and lose weight making the overall power/weight ratio even more vicious

Just to clarify; I was in no way touting my limited skills or experience on these bikes

It's much more of a bike than ill ever be a rider. That is for sure

* Last updated by: ZX14MAN64 on 6/22/2013 @ 11:37 AM *

Totally agree with you,your bike is at the top of the class.

The bike is just about polar opposite to the 14R in every way. The power starts to rear its head just before the limiter kicks in. The surge of power starts to come alive at about 7-8K rpm. Then the limiter kicks in at 9K

You just lost me , why does the limiter kick in at 9K?

ZX did you hear that, "track bike that is street legal!" Sounds familiar no?

Squid......stupid, quick, underdressed, inexperienced, and dangerous. Isn't that what I was referred to?

I guess I am a squid to some, but maybe not a full squid, as I seem to only fall under the inexperienced catetory of all those.

I admit to not being quick, as I usually fall behind and bring up the rear when with a group.... I am dressed for saftey, not at all dangerous as I know my limitations and keep my skills progressing at a doable pace, and as far as stupid, I just graduated with a 4.0 bachelor's and am savvy enough to respect these powerful bikes so much so that I may even be seen as a bit overly cautious.........

Anyway.........

Back to the meaning of my postings on the mighty RR......

The front end will literally bounce down the road like as basketball as the traction control keeps kicking in, bringing it back down. It's cool and kinda funny, as well, when it does that. Done safely, and in an open area, of course.

As for the appeal of it, visually.........The bike seems to impress anyone and everyone who sees it....its that much of a show-stopper.....rare and profound, is what I'd call it........at least in my area.

I am in no hurry to press my luck with its power or cornering capabilities, but I've felt enough of what it has to make me smile, ear to ear. I am just in awe of the bike and am very happy with it.

And as for being a retard with a fat wallet.....Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I can't help it if I worked hard to educate myself to where I can afford both bikes..............Some of you seem to be displaying your jealousy even more than I am showing my *squid-ness*.

Sorry I got down in the gutter and wasted my time on reading that bullshit, but, I am only human and curiosity got the best of me, given that its the weekend and I just got in from a long ride on the RR.....So, forgive me..........

Anyway......

* Last updated by: ZX14MAN64 on 6/22/2013 @ 4:12 PM *

ZX I don't think your a squid! I am not jealous! I am happy your happy! I think both bikes are beautiful. I was challenged on an earlier thread when I said the bike rode like a "track bike" and I got a tidal wave of grief. People were saying how dare I say that considering it was a short test ride! I just repeated your appraisal as a sort of confirmation that I was right. That's all.

Keep forging ahead and enjoy your bikes.

Cheers bro!

PS Kruz has so many bikes, I've lost count. Think he has 5. He is definately not the jealous type.

The thread says, 'have you thought about a second bike (ridden equally), main bike (to the 14), or just this bike (instead of the 14)' was how I read the title. I make no mention of one's riding ability. I mentioned how it might be questionable about down the road is that 'once bitten twice shy,' is the durability and quality of the bike and jealous? I am not!

It sounds more like the, 'Dick Wars' between my legs. Lets look at it this way. Yes, that does say HP @ 195 all day long. But it's more in the ball sack and how low they can go. What you are saying is, 'Here is my (((Pee Ran HA))) is run rings around use.'

And then I sort of say yes that is true. Faster is the HP but you pull down that zipper and it says, 'Check my 80 pounds of torque... Beat that!' So the other bike pulls down its zipper and drags out 114 pounds. I'd have to dip my dick in ice just to match yours is.

That is how I read it on the paper end trail. And the way it sounds like you are making that bike hop, it's like a few strokes and you're done. With the 114 pound her it's more a linear climb and it takes more time to bring the wheel up and oops, ran out of road.

Sounds more like that bike is a gimme a quickie and that's all she wrote. And just for the record, she said, "I've had them longer but not this big." See, big and slow is how you bring them to their first ______ Fill in the blank. And I should be jealous of some long dong?

I don't want to get in between dis. I was just making comment Oh look... Creme Filled!

* Last updated by: Hub on 6/22/2013 @ 5:09 PM *

Hub, I don't know if your wording is an attempt to amuse, be cute, or what.........so I won't even try to interpret what you mean with your cute little poetry-esque phrases.

NO worries, Wolf.

Kruz seems to be the kinda of person who hides behind that *you are not a real rider* bullshit that is so nausiating.

What in the hell does one's level of experience have to do with your ability to post your own OPINION? I am obviously up froint about how long I've been on these bikes (1 year, total) so anyone can easiily see that that is where my opinion is coming from........... LOL

Nothing against, you, Wolf, but I don't really care if Kruz has ten high dollar street bikes, or one bicycle. That whole attitude of *I have been riding alot longer and am alot faster than you are, so shut the f*CK up* kinda person is the very reason great forums like this can slide into becoming no longer enjoyable and as informative, as they were intended to be.

What the hell is a real rider, anyway? I just got in from riding, but I guess I didnt' ride fast enough for him, or take a corner hard enough for someone like Kruz...............so while I am not a real rider, I am now ejected from the stupid aspect of the squid categories because of my cautiousness.

I bought a new bike. I am happy with it. I am obvoiusly biased that the RR is the most competent, track ready liter bike made today. Some tests and opinions of skilled riders DO come out and say it beats the nearest competitor by *quite a margin*.........THe RR is the bike to beat, and almost every test made public supports that viewpoint. Men, even squid men like me, love power and performance, and the stock RR creates about 15 or more more peak HP than the ZX10R.......sorry but I can't help that.........those are the facts. It also has more advanced electronics...........again, sorry. those are the facts.........

Its not 5-6 thousand more.......its 2-3 thousand more, in my area.......so if I can't make blanket statements, why can you?

I can't help it if some are offended and got their feelings hurt by me merely supporting what the vast majority of experienced and track proven riders conclude.......

Sorry to go back and read all the sorted bullshit posted by this kind of holier than thou asshole, Kruz, but..............as I said, I am only human and gotta stand my *squid ground* sometimes......

Lovin this RR. Really makes me proud to own both the 14R and RR..... Live is good in squid-ville...

* Last updated by: ZX14MAN64 on 6/22/2013 @ 5:44 PM *

LOL... Kruz? "He's taken you out around the back of the shed and broke in his belt for his trousers." I was more entertaining myself, MAN64, about all these HP wars, oil wars, and out ride you wars.

Let me get this right. Did you say you only have 1 year total riding experience or yes, this is my first street bike(s), I've been riding in the dirt since they invented dirt for potatoes.

3 bikes over the course of 1 year, yes. Never stuttered once during that statement.
TO me, that is nothing to be ashamed of, unless there is an experience level cut off point as to who can join this forum. Everyone has to start somewhere, and everyone is entitled to their opinoin.........I merely post mine. Take that for what its worth, Hub, ol buddy.

And while we are waiting for another asshole to surface, why don't you come up with another catchy little poem about cocks and pissing and whatnot. I am starting to like your teenage boy way of expressing yourself with such nonsensical phrasing.....cute, no. Entertaining in a ridiculous way.......most certainly.

* Last updated by: ZX14MAN64 on 6/22/2013 @ 6:01 PM *

Congrats on the new ride.

You don't have to wait to put the slick plug in and don't have the dealer put it in you can do it. I haven't used the S1000RR in slick mode. I usually just keep it in Race mode, you'll be able to tell the difference in modes though.

Yes, I noticed it under the seat. But would not having the dealer do the first checkup affect the warranty in any way? Someone does it in this clp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCqZyUTNs80

I was thinking of doing it myself if that's all it takes, but don't want to chance screwing with the warranty in case something were to happen to the bike. Obviously, the dealer is gonna tell me I need to bring it in so they can make their $200 from it.....

Thanks in advance, and I am enjoying the new bike. Its attributes seem to complment the mightly 14R in such a way........words can't describe how it feels to ride one, then go get on the other...........

* Last updated by: ZX14MAN64 on 6/22/2013 @ 6:31 PM *

LOL... Kruz? "He's taken you out around the back of the shed and broke in his belt for his trousers." I was more entertaining myself, MAN64, about all these HP wars, oil wars, and out ride you wars.

"Bus Wide" says it all.

It's just a plug. If I remember right when you plug it in, it puts the bike into Rain mode. You won't be able to go above 9K until the dealer removes the limitor. If you're worried about the plug, just call the dealer and ask if you putting it will effect the warranty. I wouldn't want the dealer to charge me just for putting a plug in.

I think you're pulling my middle leg. Lettuce now narrow down how many hours you have riding? I'd say you'd have to ride everyday for about 14 hours, in the rain, at night, in work to and home traffic, crashed at least twice, but what you are saying is... The 14 and rr are my first very two bikes I've ever owned. I decided to assume my age is 65 is MAN me.

So, with a few hours riding after work, and who know when you bought the 14 and how many hours you have on that? Now the rr is the ride of choice, but say I have 40 hours between both... Forget the year, say how many hours we go riding? 1 hour a day? 40 days out of 365 is that year's worth of riding. Get it?

* Last updated by: Hub on 6/22/2013 @ 6:42 PM *

Hold up, Kruz, either this is a prodigy or he's a cop. The rr is the bike of choice around here. Choppers were a fad a few years ago. Now the trend has change. So you go up against an rr, it might be the fuzz having a romp with you LOL!

So, with a few hours riding after work, and who know when you bought the 14 and how many hours you have on that? Now the rr is the ride of choice, but say I have 40 hours between both... Forget the year, say how many hours we go riding? 1 hour a day? 40 days out of 365 is that year's worth of riding. Get it?

Save your breath Hub, magazine racer, all this explosive power and it has a 9K break-in limiter still in place? Credibility just went to zilch point squat.

*It's just a plug. If I remember right when you plug it in, it puts the bike into Rain mode. You won't be able to go above 9K until the dealer removes the limitor. If you're worried about the plug, just call the dealer and ask if you putting it will effect the warranty. I wouldn't want the dealer to charge me just for putting a plug in.*

Thanks. Good point, I'll call em and see what they say about the warranty.

If merely putting the plug in myself saves labor charges, I'll certainly do it..... and I was thinking of taking my own oil and filter to em, as well. Ha! But I would bet some aspects of the first service almost have to be documented by the dealer for the warranty's sake, but...........I'll call em to see what they say......

The RR IS $5000-$6000 more IN MY AREA, That is a fact, I got the quotes, now I believe you that it is $2000-$3000 more in your area, that's good, and seems like a reasonable amount to pay, what kind of numbers are you talking about for the RR ? because a 10R with a wire snip and ground can put out around 179-182 hp, I agree that everyone should just ride, and have a good time, I am no racer, BUT I have been riding for around 30 years and I am still alive, so I guess that counts for something .... Enjoy that RR, I know I would ...

*Credibility just went to zilch point squat.*

I never had any to begin with in anyway, to an asshole like you. So what's changed?

And why so few words, now? I have given you plenty of material to work from, haven't I?

..........what, did you run out of put-down lines for an inexperienced rider, such as myself, so fast?

Surely you can come up with a few more catchy, memorable belittling lines to further put an ordinary joe schmoe like me, back in my place before I get too far outta hand and too cocky with my shiny new bike that I am inexperienced on and know nothing about........Fuck off,Mr. Pro Moto.

I don't get it, Kruz? So there is a factory limiter in place? I break in a bike at 9k. Okay, I have my 1000 miles broken in, now unplug me so I can run it up to ???Max rpm? If I want warranty, bla,bla,bla.

Maybe MAN has a knack for it. Remember that 17 year old who bought a 14? Moped kind of bike anyway so it's all in the wrist. I would assume MAN at his age would control the same sort of sense? He's out daytracking and did fine. So some have it, some are squids at it.

There is a break in limitor on the S1000RR. I also belive the Kawi 10R has one too, not sure. I honestly don't know why they have them in place. I broke in my S1000RR as hard as I could with the limitor in place. I also had the 600 miles done pretty much in one day, riding from Germany to England. Not something I looked forward to doing again. I have a 2010 that has a over 8K + miles. Never really had any issue's besides their high beam switch going out on me twice.