hey guys, I was browsing YouTube listening to exhaust sound clips on the 14, and im somewhat sold on the tsukigi. I currently have a 4-2-1 full tsukigi on my bike and love the sound. But like all of us i want more sound. Would i see a significant performance difference if i was to go with the cannon?

* Last updated by: lschevy on 3/12/2012 @ 10:42 AM *

never tried a Tsukigi canister style muffler. --or any other after market exhaust for that matter....but I have a Cannon and I did gobs of research.

I don't think you will get much of a gain in power going to a Cannon. It is louder and it looks cool but from what I recall the can was a bit lighter and actually made a couple more peak hp. If you are stuck on the Cannon's look or sound level, go for it. I imagine the power dif is negligible if it even exists. 2 hp could be the dif between bikes or dyno or any of the other myriad variables in dyno runs.

I like the editted ones with music backtrack but if you want to see vid with good sound on bike at speed click this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-dXXQ_oX5g

Here is FAST and you can still hear the pipe over the wind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbNfLbfn_Js

I have to agree w/ rook. I was big on the sound of the cannon. I got mine on a steal of 500 smackaroos. I call the rep Tasashi who is the retailer here in the states. He says 1461 gets you a cannon. Have to admit the sound is unmatched and it is differnt from other exhaust. The only thing I dont like is the customer support sucks. The Cannon sound is 2nd to none. To any of the brocks. I have a few videos and when you past people my friends claim it sounds like a sonic boom. I love it my friends love it, and say how loud it is.
It will cost you for sound, apparently in Japan and Thailand this exhaust is their brocks. It has a rep for its power and noise, but to buy full retail is bit of a rip off. THe sound is awsome so is the power. IM thr biggest fan but hey to each his own. If i had to do it over id go with brocks, just bc of customer support. Its funny, how many cars move out the way before they see me bc they hear me. This is a straight gp exhaust. PPl tell me all the time how loud and awsome it sounds on a 14.

the sonic boom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHGvdpH_U1M&context=C4e033e0ADvjVQa1PpcFMhJt2cM3gmZ2RZPXT52QiqTHu4ehW2a6g=

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there it is again! ....not just plain old SICK, f-uckin' SICK!

the customer support sucks.

It is really too bad HPC went out of business. I would have liked to see what that guy did with Tsukigi in the US. He really bent over backward to provide personal customer service.

when you past people my friends claim it sounds like a sonic boom.

LOL watch the first 7 seconds of my first vid up there. You def see the heads spin on at least the first two riders I pass.

Good deal. $600 here. You won't find those deals anymore.

Its funny, how many cars move out the way before they see me bc they hear me.

I love EM but I can't find anyone knows much about the product. I know that I have to get a custom tune. I just understand what Alot of pplsay Brock's cs is 2nd to none. You have a live person to talk to ALL THE TIME. Sound is great pipe makes great power. I trying to get a second decal and ime ap product. Rock besides the photoshop what stuff do you have from tsukigi? What coloris your decal gold or purple? How much power are you making & what are you making?

I want to purchase the Tsukigi Cannon can some one point me to a dealer or a used one

I want to purchase the Tsukigi Cannon can some one point me to a dealer or a used one

FROM OTHER THREAD:

I would try long Beach Motor Sports for Tsukigi parts. They might be able to hook you up with an emblem they sell the Cannon.
http://www.longbeachmotorsports.com/Tsukigi-Racing-TSUKIGI-COMPLETE-EXHAUST-SYSTEMS-detail.htm?productId=8437486&ez=Tsukigi%20Racing&pos=2
LBMS were the folks that came up when I googled "Tsukigi dealer." May be others, IDK.

Rock besides the photoshop what stuff do you have from tsukigi?

? PhotShop? That is photo editing software made by Macintosh. I have it and that is what I used to creat one of the images I posted on your thread. Only Tsukigi product I own is the Cannon.

What coloris your decal gold or purple? How much power are you making & what are you making?

Never had the bike on a dyno so I have no idea exactly what it would tell me the hp was.

Thought i would post this PM response I made to a Cannon enquiry since I get this question in PMs from time to time, might as well post it and direct others here.

If you google alien head v Tsukigi Cannon you will come across a lot of threads like this. http://www.psychobike.com/forums/suzuki-hayabusa/28545-brock-alien-head-exhaust-tsukigi-cannon-exhaust.html

You will prolly find the old rookster had posted among the other comments. I did a lot of questioning. NO ONE ever stated that the Cannon was weaker than the A head. In fact, Greg Williams of HPC (now defunct) did a same day same dyno test of a Cannon v Brock's short meg and the Cannon beat the meg. They did not test an A head but the message was implied that they did not want to piss off all of the A-head owners who participated on the forum. The tests were done with 2008 HAyabusas. It is very unfortunate that this valuable and very lengthy thread seems to have been lost. I can no longer find it by Google.

Here is my true feelings and opinions.

#1 A head is a more popular pipe by far. A great rule of thumb is to go with the crowd. Honestly, I would have gotten a Brock's CT meg. The Cannon was on sale and I like d it so I asked a lot of questions all focussing on performance and no one could tell me a Cannon was inferior. To the contrary, there was some evidence to indicate the Cannon was a couple hp stronger.

#2 Brock has a zillion maps he will give you for free if you buy any of his pipes used or new. You may l have a hard time finding a Cannon map in the US. The Cannons just are not available so no one is tuning for them and offering maps. You will need a custom tune from a reputable shop. If I knew how to copy and send a map I couldn't do that without HPC consent. I respect the copyright property in the sportbike community so I have up avoided sharing maps so far.

#3 If you need customer service, Brock is a stand up guy. Tsukigi Cannon is by far a higher quality pipe (as far as durability) than the A head. You should never need customer assistance but if you do good luck working with Japan. I guess there is a West Coast Tsukigi dealer in the US. Never worked with them.

#4 The Cannon is too long. I like the look of a short pipe like and A head.

#5 The Cannon is made of thick metal and the muffler will never rust out. Also likely to take a fall without crushing. Excellent welds and a lot of them. The headers and collector / midpipe I bet that is just a bit thicker than Brocks. I heard Brock A head is like sheet metal. The real issue here is weight, however. The Cannon weighs 16-18 lbs. The shipping label said 18. I never weighed the pipe. Have to do that this summer.

A head is 8 lbs. whole system. That is a deciding factor right there.

#6 Obviously you want something loud. I have been told an A head is not quite as loud as the Cannon. I heard a short meg and i can tell you the Smeg is loud but not as loud as my Cannon.

#7 If you corner hard enough that you are almost waring the tire to the edge, the Cannon is going to scrape. I have seen the same sort of scraping on a ZX-14 with A head. Some of the pics I see, I have no idea how they are laying the bike over like that.

My opinion is the same as it ever was. The Cannon is a nice pipe but weight reduction and hp is the most important thing. I would go with a Ct meg and you have your 8 pounder with a few more hp than a Cannon or an A head.\\\

...otherwise, go with the Ahead if the price is same as Cannon. Pick up a used one, maybe.

or just look at the info here and make up your own mind. Maybe you like the look of one more than the other. That can clinch it because they are all great and in thereal world, you are not going to notice a few hp at the top anyway. That is all bragging rights and .02 seconds n the quarter mile. To me however, weight loss is very much real world, all round performance enhancement.

I was out riding with busa motorcycle club yesterday and all of them had a voodoo or alien head exhaust. they both loud as hell, my bike have a nice rumble to it but i couldnt hear it at all lol. Whatever exhaust is the loudest thats probably the one i want to go with. I heard the alein head in person and it have a nice loud sound but if the Tsukigi louder and deeper im pretty much sold. Hey Rook are you ready to sell your cannon? lol

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...............well, ,,,,,,,,,I would replace it with a CT meg. That would be the only thing i would change to cuz I DO like the Cannon.

........but i just added up a rough figure of what I have spent on the 14 so far. It is a LOT more than I was guestimating. About $5.5K.

Can't see spending 2 K on a CTmeg for a little more peak hp and 10 lbs less. Maybe end of the year. I do like the sound of the cannon but I also have one for the busa. I could see switching the 14's exhaust. If I could find a used CT meg, I'd prolly go for it.

I will let you know if I feel like changing over, chev.

Anyone heard anything about a return of these things? I am looking to move to a full system next year, but I don't want something "everyone else has." These things sound amazing. I have heard/read rumors of them returning for Gen2s, but what about for Gen1s?

If not I guess the ceramic coated m14/m10 would have to do. Has anyone every heard the gp series muzzy in person?

Still got mine. Actually, I was considering slashcutting it tonight...just thinking about it. I'd be better off selling it whole. I'd have to have a CT system lined up before I did that. Sorry, I don't see that happening any time real soon.

biggmo.. I had the cannon and I am a huge fan of it. I met tadashi and the creator Mr. tsukigi. Unfortunately they have not taken the time to produce for the gen 2. I have a m10 on my gen 2 and people love the sound (to bad I dont ride it more often) the gp muzzy my friend has on his gen 1. Its a high revving sound, but the 14 makes such deep tone. The m10 full is better in my opinion.
As for the cannon, nothing else sounds like it, it just a waste of time and money to get it, if they havent done the r&d to fit it to a gen 2. I asked myself if it was the same part # and he said yes. Every1 knows the gen 2 header is different then gen 1.