I had a good search but can't seem to find any reference to anyone leaving the flies out for general street riding while doing a high number of k's on the bike to assess any long term effects.

I have an 07 and really want to rip those flies and add a PC. I am keeping this bike and will run about 18000km per year over the next 5 years or so. Would like to hear from anyone that has done some decent k's since the mod and any issues experienced.

I am not at all mechanically minded but if all it is doing is giving a smoother torque curve I wouldn;t expect it would cause long term issues but would rather hear from someone with experience.

I mentioned it to my local Kawa mechanic and he said he has had "nothing but problems" trying to fix peoples bikes after they add a PC but when pressed he didn;t really explain what the problems were but said the bike are made as high perforrmers as they are and you will get far better longevity by leaving it stock??

thanks and sorry for long post..and another flies thread lol

My flies are out and I have an 06 with just under 27,000 miles and the flies have been out since new. NO issues to speak of. Most all of those miles are in the last year and a half.

I put ~ 7000 miles on my 08 the first year and then pulled flies. Now have 25,500 miles on it and NO problems with anything.

After all the hubub about flies on the gen 1, I can't believe there is a single one out there that still has flies in. Sounds to me like your mech might have had some problems with people who did some hamfisted wrenching on their bike and wanted him to fix. If you take your time and get advice from those who have done the same mods, it should be no problem. If you're a total hamfist then pay someone else----no shame in that --we all have stuff we are not good at doing.

If you want to pull flies. There are lots of people who can guide you through it. I could give you some support along the way if you are willing to wait for advice day by day.

I'm not a mech by trade. Pulling flies took me probably a total of 10 hours by the time I bought tools and everything. It won't be a 20 minute job for you. The biggest potential problem would be that the tiny screws do not come out easy. If that is the case, the x slots will strip. If you are careful, you could take precautions to avoid the few chunks of steal dropping down into the motor. The trick is to heat the screws up with a HOT screwdriver. Melt the lock tite that holds them in.

There is a tutorial on fly removal on here too. I wrote a PCV install tutorial but the pics are gone now. If you needed them, I could repost them.

https://zx14ninjaforum.com/messages.cfm?threadid=CB3D3987-1372-66AE-3BE3B16BC01CC701

I wouldn't think that there would be ANY long term effects from taking the flies out. Can't think of any reason that there would be... But I'm not a mechanic. -bg

Matt pulling the flies out and adding a pc will turn your 07 into a whole new machine under 6000rpms. Even completely stock its a must do mod imo. Stock the 06-07's were almost unridable under 6 grand if you like anything resembling hard acceleration without having to wind your bike up like a 600. If you want a problem free pc/map combo contact Ivan at Rockland County Motorsports. He has the best bolt on complete package by far for the 06-07's...no dyno tuning needed. All plug and play With that set-up your bike will run better than stock by far and it won't affect reliabilty at all. In fact your bike will last longer because you won't have to wind it up all the time to get the power, you'll have low end power like a busa........I know, I have both

+1 - All of the above! 06 29K and no issues.

I left them in my 07 at the request of the guy that did my custom map. When I asked him about it he said, is this a race bike? I sad no, he said leave them alone then.

To make the bike right the 4 into 1 pipe with flies removed is it. The engine runs as designed smooth easy power no strain on the engine like if you use turbo with too much boost. I've got over 27K miles on mine it's not going to do anything bad. As always though rear tires will go away and your forearms will be sore.

Thanks all for the comments, I think my question on longevity has been answered with some of the mmiles done so that worry is laid to rest.

Finally I do some normal commute work in heavy traffic plus some long mile touring (as well as the fun stuff) so is the bike still ridable and predictable in these conditions or does it become twitchy on the throttle?

Finally I do some normal commute work in heavy traffic: Not a problem.
... plus some long mile touring (as well as the fun stuff): Not a problem.
... so is the bike still ridable and predictable in these conditions or does it become twitchy on the throttle?: It becomes twitchy like all getup. It's one reason the subs are used. Softens the twitch.

And if you are not twitch-ready... Do not remove flies.

does it become twitchy on the throttle?

No. No worse than stock on my gen 2. Very smooth. The thing that made the throttle unpredictable was having play in the throttle grip. Adjusting that to 0 makes it perfectly predictable. Removing flies isn't going to make the bike wheelie uncontrollably. If you want to do that, you have to really try. WOT or clutch. The 14 is too big to stand up unless you want it to.

* Last updated by: Rook on 12/22/2010 @ 11:40 AM *

Rook >> I am going to eat you for lunch you are not hitting the TP WOTea'nuff Ya little Pisstain! I need to tweak your bike some, you are not booking it "to the letter," Zer0'play... ((((Where did I hear that?)))

>>> I love ya, Rook!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdJTWz_L9D8 <<< Practice = 16K miles. Trying to pop the radiator cap off-pop the pads out-pop the tire off-popeye tried to blow her up but no joy as stock as she comes with cheater, "muffler bearing" she pops out semi-4-in-1 like WOT a 'waste of time' she needs more balls than dimes for pipe you, you PluGain Play.

DiskeepSqueaking OuThEnd she keeps calling me back, BoneSwaaaaaa? WEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!

See ya still got yer lil buddy there at the end, Hub.

Rook >> I am going to eat you for lunch you are not hitting the TP WOTea'nuff Ya little Pisstain!

No not me. Some squid got on the bike and did some WOT runs but looks like he didn't have the cahoneys to keep her pinned into second.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_HWCLmMu4Y

I need to tweak your bike some, you are not booking it "to the letter," Zer0'play... ((((Where did I hear that?)))

Did you see that clear tube intake drag that gas on the side of the wall? That was just a mini-slide without sub. Same with those molecules bouncing slow or fast as you drag that mouse thru it.

So, you bring that throttle to zero and now I can lift the front end in 6th or at least dance it. But to let the author know that the power is all in the twitch you have a commitment to that cable pull is what I'm saying. The fluff of the subs brings the twitch to a minimum.

The engine can take the twitching for 5 years or until the compression goes off song. Mile after mile in twitchland will it land you on your ass you are not prepared for it.

* Last updated by: Hub on 12/22/2010 @ 4:11 PM *

"Throttle control boy...throttle control!"You don't close the throttle in a turn....you use your rear brake.Ahemm.....mine is smooth as a baby's...well,you know.NEVER a twitch...and she's got a taddy of free play...otherwise....your throttlebody will not open to the MAXIMUS BLASTULIS.No Flies...no shit.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 12/22/2010 @ 4:14 PM *

Use your rear brake my ass! LOL

Dearest Hubster..you may be excused from class....I know you haven't got your secondary throttle adjuster on yours.

I know Rook you've fired weapons.You know you gotta SQUEEZE the trigger...breathe and squeeze.No More TTwwwittcchh.

Set that entry speed,line er up,SQUEEZE that throttle baby.BULLSEYE!

REMEMBER..."the spirit controls the mind which controls the body".......use the force Luke,use the force.

Zen Zare Vas Vun.

You must THINK like a NINJA.

http://www.sportrider.com/riding_tips/146_1001_using_rear_brake/index.html
http://www.sportrider.com/riding_tips/146_1005_throttle_control_riding_skills/index.html

* Last updated by: blue07 on 12/22/2010 @ 4:56 PM *

You know you gotta SQUEEZE the trigger...breathe and squeeze.No More TTwwwittcchh.

Squeeze, don't pull. You pull you twitch way off left or right you miss by a long shot. Hair trigger = No play = safer for you. Deadly for your target.

Today's mantra....."the rear brake is my friend,I will not allow fear to stop my continuing skills and my ultimate safety"

For the author: Smooth, yes. Twitch, yes. Subs left alone, no. Smoother? Yes. What is the ultimate setting? Open or no flies, of course.

Do I split lanes? Yes. Is the bike twitchy? No. Could the bike be twitchy? Well that sure is not it's middle name. You be careful now, Matt.

Rook, At the 30 second mark, hear how low in rpm it takes to lift the front. I am in 6th at that torque range and I dance off the roads, meaning, leaned over with that wheel wanting to lift I have to back off. Listening to how low that puppy can pull wheel is to ask Matt if he's ready for that steady hand?

And speaking about hands, you rev too many shifts there, guy. Granted, you clean the downshifts, but the upshifts? That says, slash, low gas mileage-slash-too much in the 'Excessive HOURS Used' [Like stealing your minutes I make vid]-slash-Clutch slip at a higher rpm once clutch is forced to shave off plate-SLASH-Not maintaining the rear wheel to engine gear ratios, slash, she has to come back down in "Slipsville" where crank meets tarmac.

The discipline is to limited a throttle move, Rook, if I may offer a suggestion. Downshift, sounds fine and clean on your blips. On my latest video, I could hear me 'clutch-slip a gear in.' I more, plush the drum so the gear dogs are not banging dog house = Wear and tear found in the oil change, get it? The downshift is trying to match the rear wheel so I do not chatter. Where the engine and wheel ratios are out of sequence and the hopping begins = Oops, Got it (((wrong-bounce-wrong-bounce-hop!)))

I am trying to keep my bike more preserved in a way. Where I see bike perspiring in the compression value of the bike there, Rook. I think more in the lines of:

A. Less RPM Spins = Hours Gained ~ Preservation wise; for ring and valve wear.
B. Less Clutch Powder = Wear the gear ratio meets the road is preserved.
C. Less Throttle Blip = Preserves the commodity of crude in the ground.

Nice ride. Camera quality was quite decent. Who's brand may I ask?

Thanks for the info one and all. I now have the PC on order and soon as it gets here I will get the flies out and a custom map done. Thanks again for your knowledge on the subject.

A. Less RPM Spins = Hours Gained ~ Preservation wise; for ring and valve wear.
B. Less Clutch Powder = Wear the gear ratio meets the road is preserved.
C. Less Throttle Blip = Preserves the commodity of crude in the ground.

That vid is an example of the hardest my bike gets put to use. If those squids I let ride my bike never rode her, there would be carbon build up at the top of the stroke in every chamber....I ride so slow and easy, it sort of makes up for when one of those lunatics gets a hold of MiMi. damn, crazy kids! I guess I'd rather somebody ride her hard now and then but me.....No way, never.

I have a feeling I'll be telling those crazy bastages to take a walk next summer. Nice and slow and easy the way a sane rider should behave on the street.
If those hooligans never got on MiMi now and then, that chain and sprockets would have lasted 50,000 miles easily.

Nice ride. Camera quality was quite decent. Who's brand may I ask?

* Last updated by: Rook on 12/23/2010 @ 3:17 PM *

YW, Matt. Just remember she's detuned for a reason.

Rook, I've been a wondering about that. How hard are we on our bike(s). And no, a few minutes on the bike, they'll either crash or hit the limiter.

Camera wise, I figured as much being that plunger is sucking on the fairing somewhere. Thanks. And blue was right. I've seen at least one 14's oil pan "Case'd," where the oil plug cracked out or in; one or the other? I chickened out for a longer jump. I have no one I know to pick me up being out there in the boonies I case the thing. That was more WOT I really had in mind was longer air time.

And come home with blown seals and a cracked case playing like a teenager? Geee HAaaa, OK, guilty! [almost]

Dry seals staying in there!

I pulled mine with 240 some miles on the clock it is now over 20k without one issue at all