Just a rumor but if true we haven't seen the last of the hyperbike.

https://auto.ndtv.com/news/turbocharged-suzuki-hayabusa-expected-in-2018-1744063

* Last updated by: Auron on 8/30/2017 @ 7:31 PM *

I did shop around before I settled for another 14. The busa was such a fat pig pulling it off the side stand. Imagine more weight on this tank by adding more weight. However, if the bore remains the same, all kawi has to do is tool up the same case and add a SC'd 1441cc, I'd be breaking down the dealer door with cash in hand.

I did shop around before I settled for another 14. The busa was such a fat pig pulling it off the side stand.

If someone gets 500 hp out of the stock turbo within a year, I guess I'd weigh buying a new one against putting my own turbo in the oldy. If buying a stock turbo bike means you edged out the competition by a hair + another 30 hp with basic mods, that's no reason to upgrade. The aftermarket has always outpaced stock. If it happens, it will be something like 220 rwhp. That's just not doing it for me when I hear of modded bikes with way over 300. I'll wait...again.

* Last updated by: Rook on 8/31/2017 @ 12:03 AM *

Just did my first good run on the 14 this year and Oh the 14 is so mean and vicious when you open that throttle! The busa is more like Ahhhhh--smooth! I don't think I can live without both. I imagine both will retain their character no matter how the following gens evolve.

https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/turbocharged-suzuki-hayabusa-coming-mid-2018/#more-141342

OK, if they really make a 300 hp busa that's street legal I'm buying.

Long live the hyperbike! With all this talk of the motorcycle industry dying off wouldn't it be nice if the the bikes the the extreme ends of the spectrum survived? I think it's the middle ground-bikes that will go away.

Busa? Well .. hmm ... still:

Not sure what the average human knucklehead could do with 300 RWHP. Maybe if it was a great looking bike like the H2 but NFW I'm buying this ugly fat bitch unless they change the looks a lot.

...rudy!

I think it's the middle ground-bikes that will go away.

Im sure your Busa is custom and looks great Rook but the stock unit is a different story. Fo me sitting on one at the stealership is uncomfortable with to much forward lean/stretch.

See, I don't get that sensation. It is not much dif than the 14 to me. I have a long torso though. LOL short guys legs and arms and a long body. I got f'ed up somehow with my gene pool. Yeah, looking at the busa and 14 side by side today, I see the busa is lower in the tank and more forward. Windscreeens are abou the same height but the busa has more room behind because of the low tank.

Now regarding my comment about handling I made before, that is cured by lifting the rear a few mm. I always felt the 14 steering felt more stiff than the busa like you have to put a little force into holding the bars at whatever degree you have them turned to. NOW it's the busa that I feel I need to muscle a bit in the corner.

I think BOTH bikes suffer from the low raking forks but the busa is just a bit steeper. Throw a 200/55 on the 14 and it makes a huge difference. Amazing what a difference a couple degrees of rake makes. Never would have thought it. BUt you sacrifice the steering stability theses high speed machines are known for. I've never had a problem though. No tank slappers yet. Don't know if it's the damper or the bikes are just so damn stable you can't induce a speed wobble if you try....yeah, I know, it's happened but you never hear about it.

It doesn't really make sense for Kaw to supercharge a 14, or really Suzy to do a Busa.

If anything really makes sense maybe an 1100 supercharged? But then there's already the H2. For Suzy? I guess they need an H2.

I think one thing everyone here is thinking if they make a sc 300 hp stock 14 you're going to get that your 15k...and then 10k as a left over. I don't think that's going to happen, not supercharged anyway. I mean, what makes the H2 so much more?

H2 frame must be significantly cheaper than 14s
H2 swingarm, sure trick single sided but really any more to produce?
H2 bodywork? Yeah a unique color process probably not significantly more expensive than 14s (and considering 14 has more coverage)
H2 engine? I don't know, nothing that much more trick there either I don't thbelieve (maybe Ti valves?)
H2 exhuast? Maybe Ti exhaust for H2 but I thought that was H2R. If H2 does have Ti exhuast probably considerably more expensive than 14.
Wheels/tires? same same
Supercharger? ding ding ding! I recall reading it takes like 24 hours to mill the impeller.

Anyway, my point is you're not going to get a $25k bike for 15k (and 10k as a leftover). Insurance would be crazy.

To get one to use for 15k would require substanitally less issues with a big motor like 1441cc. Maybe knock off a couple grand in engine cost by down sizing, and another grand in accessories trying to deal with such a behemoth.

Maybe an SC zx-11r for $18-$20k?

Bah--then you have two different bikes that are even closer in performance than they would be without the supercharger. A busa and a SC 1100, I mean the H2 is a great bike but it would have been much greater if it was significantly different than the 14R. I know, you have the H2R but really, who's going to spend $60k on that? You could throw a turbo in an old 14 and have even more power. The point is, if you're going to factory boost DO IT ALL THE WAY or else just give us better NA engines that will support aftermarket turbos better.

...and speaking of insurance (that I never use), I really don't want to start paying 3 grand over ten years for the right to get stopped by the police and not have to pay the $600 ticket. I already pay half that but if I put my own turbo in, my insurance stays the same.

That's just the thing Rook. You're not going to get an H2 for 15k. So you're not going to get a SC 14R for 15k. It would basically kill any market for H2, which most likely actually brings a nice profit to Kaw. H2 and 14s are very similar as I've always said really far too close to me to make any sense.

For Suzy? I guess they need an H2.

I didn't read the OP article until now, and it's saying what I had just wrote. If Suzy makes a turbo Hayabusa, it will likely be something more to compete with H2 than 14R. It will likely be a smaller displacment but then depend on the turbo to mkae up displacment. So what's the point? Not really sure. The only model I see working is going with a much less cheaper to produce engine and manage (heat wise, etc.) and putting those same cost savings into paying for the forced induction and then maybe being able to sell the bike for basically the same price hoping to gain market share based purely on performance and panache.

So maybe Suzy backs off Busa to 1100cc, turbo, makes 200 hp, 110 lb ft of torque, saves 40 lbs, and now you've got a bike that beats 14R in the qtr and has some of that same appeal as H2 for being forced induction.

The qustions at least at this time here on the forum no one has an asnwer for. Will there be 2 models of Busa, with possibly even different body work and one being the 15k (mass produced) range and the other being the 25k range (hand built H2 style), trying to do what Kaw has done? Or will there be only one Busa, trying to keep the price roughly the same, but smaller displacement and turboed? That's really the question this silly article doesn't really address.

A person who wrenches on their bike can easily piece together a turbo from ebay for about the same price as a new brocks titanium exhaust. Run up to 6psi on older 14, or 4 psi on 14r and cure their itch. Dont have a welder, then it will cost more. All the info is out there.

Will there be 2 models of Busa, with possibly even different body work and one being the 15k (mass produced) range and the other being the 25k range (hand built H2 style), trying to do what Kaw has done? Or will there be only one Busa, trying to keep the price roughly the same, but smaller displacement and turboed? That's really the question this silly article doesn't really address.

I think eliminating the old busa from the lineup would be a very risky move. If they're going to make a SC bike, it will either be the busa or they will make a smaller new model that is roughly competative with the busa like Kaw did with the H2... then see who flinches first to SC the big bore...we will have many more years before there is a big dif between the big bores from almost 20 years ago.

* Last updated by: Rook on 9/3/2017 @ 12:38 PM *