ZX14 Police Chase

Snuffy

That cop is a real ball buster.

That cop is a real ball buster.
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The sad and funny part is that a cop can just "eye ball" your speed. In my case he told the judge they are trained for that at the academy. That bullshit is used as evidence in a court of law. In any case, everything you're going to say will be used against you. Better shut up and call a good lawyer.

Years ago I was driving my Turbo Carrera on Carmel Valley Road and flew past the Sheriff doing about +40 over the 45 mph speed limit.

He pulled out, but by then I was around the bend and out of sight. He never was able to gain line of sight to get a valid rolling clock on me.

Pulled me over at the stoplight at the mouth of the valley, and started reading me the riot act.

"Excuse me officer, did you get me on radar or a rolling clock?"

"Well, no, I saw you go past obviously very fast and didn't catch up until we got to this stoplight"

"So you are saying the time it took to catch up was less than the time it takes a red light to turn green here?"

"I can't write you a ticket, but this is why people hate guys like you in cars like this?"

"Officer, I'm pretty sure most everyone, you included, would just love to have this car"

"Slow it down some, and have a nice day"

Sorry, but in traffic court, "I saw him go past and he was probably going 90 mph" won't hold up for even a few seconds if you simply stand when its turn and say "No your honor, I was very aware of my speed, and I never exceeded 65 mph." Thats it. In the absence of radar readout or a rolling clock, what the officer "thinks" does not constitute evidence.

Another example.

I was at an intersection in the south end of Carmel-By-The-Sea (aka, Carmel) and came to a full stop at the sign. A Camero came roaring over a blind rise to my right on the cross street, and blew through the intersection. When he was well clear, I accelerated away from a stop and then the cop came over the blind rise with lights but no siren.

He stopped and wrote me for unsafe entering intersection and several other things.

I went to court, let him have his say, then drew the judge a diagram on the whiteboard, showing how I was already in the intersection before he came over the rise. Its not my fault he had to skid the patrol car almost sideways to stop.

The Judge looked at my drawing, and told the officer, "You let your adrenaline make you write a bad ticket, I'm throwing this out."

All you have to do is present any kind of logical believeable evidence or statements of fact and the Judge will often side with you, especially if he things the officer went overboard.

Sometimes the police will just get pissed and try to write a ticket for whatever they can. I left a stop sign while leaving my girlfriends house back in 1987. I was feeling pretty good and decided to do a little burn out on my modified 1973 plymouth road runner. After spinning over half a block, I calmed it back down to the posted 45 mph. About 1/2 mile latter a city cop pulled me and said that he was in the yard looking as I left the stop sign. He proceeded to tell me that he was going to write me up for careless and wreckless. As I brought to his attention that he never clocked me and that I was always in my lane with 2 nice black marks on the pavement to prove it, he tore up that ticket and wrote me another. He said that this was my lucky day and this was all he could prove. The ticket was for "disturbing the peace due to excessive noise due to the spinning of tires". A small fine, and no points.

NM...

* Last updated by: kb377 on 10/3/2012 @ 8:00 AM *

Sorry, but in traffic court, "I saw him go past and he was probably going 90 mph" won't hold up for even a few seconds if you simply stand when its turn and say "No your honor, I was very aware of my speed, and I never exceeded 65 mph." Thats it. In the absence of radar readout or a rolling clock, what the officer "thinks" does not constitute evidence.

I can't see the bike in the vid until 2:54. Justskip ahead.

"I ride a bike also and I know the difference between 60 and 90."

Not that I would have made mention of it but obviously the cop doesn't ride a 14.

and the guy is guilty, fuksake....just shut up and take the ticket. Go to court if you want. Lots of luck. Little "crimes" like this. the judge isn't going to bother with building any case. The cop will be right if it comes to my word v yours..

Privateer:

I was driving my Turbo Carrera on Carmel Valley Road and flew past the Sheriff doing about +40 over the 45 mph speed limit... No your honor, I was very aware of my speed, and I never exceeded 65 mph.

I like you, and believe you're a decent fellow, but I cant side with you on this one.

You knew better, and then swore an oath of truth, and then lied? I cant do that, and I dont recommend anyone else do it either.

I'm not saying I'm a saint. Know what I'm say-in?

I guess I'm lucky, but I've never gotten a ticket I didn't deserve and I've avoided tons of them I did. Every time I get one, I smile to myself and think of all the times I COULD have been popped for doing a lot worse and got away with it. I don't mind paying a ticket fine, but the fact that my insurance company can legally fuck me over for three years over one ticket REALLY PISSES ME OFF! In my book, the fine is me paying my debt to society and the insurance company jacking my rates over it is not only cruel and unusual punishment, but legalized theft,too. If those insurance companies didn't have so much of everyone's money, they couldn't hire so many lobbyists to rent so many politicians and they'd have to get real jobs instead of ripping everyone off.

A friend of mine who recently retired after 35 years as an insurance adjuster and supervisor of adjusters in 3 states told me that when the stock market is up, they're happy to pay out 20% more in claims than they take in from premiums because of all the money they make from the money that passes through their hands. Their business has nothing to do with protecting customers' property, it's just a giant hedge fund. The reason the economy is so fucked up is that we, as a nation, are better at making money than we are at making products that enhance the lives of citizens.

I watched one of my guys testify on a ticket he wrote for speeding/reckless driving. When he made the FIRST mention of "SPEED", the defendant's lawyer questioned how he determined the "SPEED" he was referring to. When the Officer stated that it wasn't Radar, Vascar(old school), of "clocking" with a CALIBRATED patrol car,but what he had observed with his eyes and the sound of the vehicle. The Lawyer immediatly asked the Officer when the last time his EYES and EARS were "CALIBRATED" for determining speed. After a few embarrasing moments of silence, the attorney moved that ALL references to SPEED by the Officer be excluded from the records.It was....
Though the Judge didn't like it, he found the KID NOT GUILTY..

@mebgardner - when I was a Cadet at West Point, for four years, I had to live by the code of "A Cadet Does Not Lie, Cheat, or Steal".

I'm not a Cadet anymore. Making this a moral issue is attacking the wrong point. You can't get anywhere with that line of argument, because your opinion of what is moral means nothing, just like mine doesn't. We each have to live with ourselves, and I've no problem doing that.

In the example you are referring to ("No your honor, I was very aware of my speed, and I never exceeded 65 mph") this never got to court because the Sheriff realized he didn't have a leg to stand on. My quote was to make a point I could have gone to court if he ticketed me and said anything I wanted, since the Sheriff didn't have enough eyes-on time to make any kind of case at all.

@dragking - "They can't write a speeding ticket based on that but they can write you one for reckless for sure"

One of the cites on the ticket was indeed reckless. The Judge threw it out, because it was not reckless to stop at the stop sign, look both ways, and proceed into the intersection. The fact the officer was in HIGH SPEED PURSUIT made him crest the hill in such a way it could not be predicted. The Judge ruled correctly.

Not everything cops say is true, and not everything cops think they saw happened.

I have personal proof of this.

I'm not that upset about getting a ticket but it does piss me off that if I have too many points I could lose my frigging license! Every ticket I have received involved me NOT endangering ANY one else, always out on some lonely road just riding my "pace" which just so happens to be over their arbitrary limit. I wish they would just leave me the fuck alone and go have a doughnut or something.

Mad

Privateer:

OK, I understand your point. I also dont agree with everything you stated. Thank you for not considering it a personal attack, and I believe I can read that in your tone. It was not meant in that manner, and I think I understand you did not take it as such. Thanks...

I make no claim to a moral high ground. I'm just a man, fallible, and given to making mistakes. The part where I disagree with you is about the moral standard. There has to be a standard, otherwise there's anarchy. I think we each learn our personal standard through various means: Actual law we're had applied to us (tickets are an example of applying a penalty to enforce / reinforce a behavior that society (through enactment of law) desires to see become the "norm", and I dont have "moral" norms strictly in view here.), Inferred law of enforced group behaviors (your experiences as a Cadet may fall in this catagory), and Developed law that we infer from observing other's behavior and feedback (Dad took the switch to brother Billie again, for <name your reason>...).

My point is that I want to believe (wanting does not make it so) that we each learn a moral standard that we live by. It's a standard, and we each own our own... Mine aint yours, and vise-versa.

I do agree that we each have to live with ourselves. But, we also should try to get along with each other. That's where these learned society behaviors become important. Otherwise, anarchy, and we all try to kill each other for the slightest provacation (which, in my opinion, is a direct result of why I observe this increasingly as time goes by in America).

Let me end this by saying that I still like you and respect you. If we meet, may we part friends. That would be my wish for us, today.

Now, back to learning how to duck tickets!

Guessing how to "get out of a ticket" is like guessing the weather. If your "clocked" speed is twice the posted limit, or more, chances are great you'll get the citation or a ride to the local gray bar motel. Cops, despite what some may state, are very human. Yes some are unreasonable and love having the badge. Most are professionals. If you're pulled over, be polite, don't kiss their ass. Always take a ticket to court. If the ticket is legitimate ask for a deferred sentence or driver improvement school. If the ticket is crap argue it.

When you ride on public streets/roads/highways you are expected to follow the rules just as if you're on a drag strip or track. Exceeding those rules is no different than trying prove the laws of physics don't apply to you. At some point you will experience the fact those laws are applicable. Hopefully that experience doesn't damage your body.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for stretching the rules and boundaries. I just accept responsibility for my actions. Be they in a court room or the icu.