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Created on: 02/27/13 03:23 PM

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Rook's new chain
02/27/13 3:23 PM

Here is a new chain for you Rook. LIGHTER STRONGER AND GOOD LOOKING
I wish I would have waited before installing the Renthal! I'm looking for a picture in black and gold and if it looks really good, I may just keep the Renthal as a spare and get this one.

EK 3D


* Last updated by: dragking on 2/27/2013 @ 3:23 PM *



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RE: Rook's new chain
02/27/13 3:34 PM


So tempting, it'd go well with the BST's


* Last updated by: dragking on 2/27/2013 @ 3:41 PM *



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RE: Rook's new chain
02/27/13 3:56 PM

IDK, drag. I'd have to weight it. I like the idea of lightening holes in the pins. I'd try it if I needed a new chain but my guess, prolly less than an ounce lighter than a ZZZ.

The EK ZZZ has lightening holes in the side plates which do reduce the weight. Here is the EK ZZZ v the stock DID 50ZVZ. The EK is a link or two longer than the DID + the EK is packed with lithium grease which might just ad an ounce ounce and a half (also, note that I forgot to include on the scale, the two pins I removed from the DID).. I didn't want to have too short of a chain so I went longer. Have to count the pins some day so I know I am comparing apples/apples. Back when I switched chains I believe my rough calculations indicated a very slight weight advantage with the ZZZ or about equal to the DID. The ZZZ is a much stronger chain however. Hardly stretched at all yet.


If you really want to lighten up on the drive line, switch to a 525 pitch chain with 525 sprockets. If I recall, that actually amounts to over a pound..maybe two. Don't know if I would trust the low end torque of our bikes with the 525 conversion but the liter bikes use them and they make as much peak hp.


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RE: Rook's new chain
02/27/13 4:18 PM

EK 530 ZZZ

See, I have lightenning holes too, in my master link pins, back of sprocket...LOL!! Perhaps where they got the idea...they figured "why not just hollow out all of the pins???"


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RE: Rook's new chain
02/27/13 4:18 PM

That's too much of a risk for too little of a gain. We make so much power so early that I wouldn't trust a conversion kit. Plus I stay at 8-9k rpm for extended periods...
According to my calculation the 3D (116 links) comes at 5.56lbs which is heavier than what you've got . I thought there was way more weight difference between chains. When my Renthal came through the mail, I asked myself if I had ordered something else with it and when I was holding the stock chain it felt a lot lighter. It's probably just my perception and expectations playing a trick on me. That chain sure does look sweet though but it's $130 more than the Renthal. I guess I'll keep my set up until I have to replace the rear Renthal sprocket. Then switch to the EK, titanium cush Drive and sprocket nuts!


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RE: Rook's new chain
02/27/13 4:22 PM

Nice! I think you should stick with the blue Vortex. Are those wheels on yet? As soon as I receive my front rotors mine are getting put on and I'm riding the bike naked with broken rear signal to work! lol



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RE: Rook's new chain
02/27/13 4:22 PM

that's what I was thinking. Very few people I asked recommended going to smaller pitch. Never heard anyone say the chain broke but that may be because almost nobody does the 525 conversion mod.



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RE: Rook's new chain
02/27/13 5:40 PM

motomummy posted a pic of this chain on Facebook this was 1 of the comments

Weighs right under 5 lbs per 100 links. And over 11,000 tensile strength. Gonna be about $250 for a 110 link chain. Must be proud of em..



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RE: Rook's new chain
02/27/13 6:56 PM

That chain sure does look sweet though but it's $130 more than the Renthal.

I got a deal on it on Ebay...Chrome finish only. Woulda preferred gold. Can't remember the price but it was about 12 inches longer than what I needed.

Nice! I think you should stick with the blue Vortex.

LOL Is that a subtle hint? you really are hatin' that orange sprocket, aren't you? LOL


Are those wheels on yet?

Wheels still need to get tires on them ....solved the sprocket nuts problem I was having ...Kruz informed me of #4 spec threads. #4 spec WILL NOT thread on by hand. You'd swear they were the wrong pitch thread. Put a wrench on them and they turn with just a little extra force...but not with fingers unless you are the HULK or something. #4 spec is a self locking fail safe.


As soon as I receive my front rotors mine are getting put on and I'm riding the bike naked with broken rear signal to work! lol

WHAT! You didn't weight the BSTs??

Forget about weighing without sprocket carrier. What is the use? You need a sprocket so that should be included. On my rim the sprocket carrier is the cover for the cush drive so it is a vital part and the only thing that would fit on there. Rear rotor carrier...I may weigh the wheel without it because it is just three bolts and I could see going without a rear brake for track set up or LSR, maybe.

motomummy posted a pic of this chain on Facebook this was 1 of the comments
Weighs right under 5 lbs per 100 links. And over 11,000 tensile strength. Gonna be about $250 for a 110 link chain. Must be proud of em..

HMMMMMMM--

Pretty sure the OEM chain is 116 pins ? how many links is that? 2 pins/link?

Here is the thread on weight comparison ZZZ v stock if anyone cares to see.


* Last updated by: Rook on 2/27/2013 @ 6:58 PM *



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RE: Rook's new chain
02/27/13 11:52 PM

motomummy posted a pic of this chain on Facebook this was 1 of the comments

Motomummy, is in Austin. I'll go check it out next week. Price is definitely up there. However, with my new job and plan to go back to France for the summer, my 14 isn't going to see a lot of mileage this year. Just a couple of track days and a couple of trip to the sisters. When I get the track bike even less mileage! So I don't feel bad about spending a little $$ to draw me some bike night attention. That being said if it's not a performance mod I'm not doing it.
LOL Is that a subtle hint? you really are hatin' that orange sprocket, aren't you? LOL

LOL "Hate" is such a big word LOL I think, silver, black, blue, red all those colors "look" fast but for some reason orange on metal doesn't rhyme with fast in my opinion. I still can't fathom how they make the Repsol Honda so sexy. If it was anodized maybe... I still wanna see it on those wheels though lol
WHAT! You didn't weight the BSTs??

they should be here on Friday. UPS says the box weighs 23.50 lbs... Can't wait! They should have been here earlier but I was flip flopping between those and the Marchesini Kompe Magnesium Forged wheels. The BST can be like a big diamond necklace wore by a male = gaudy! The bling factor is off the chart so I wasn't sure I could pull it off But after doing my homework, I found out that they were also technically sound. Beside it'll be fun to steal the show from a Ducati Panigale or a BMW 1000RR
I don't have a track number for the rotors yet so I'll have plenty of time to weigh the wheels. Yeah, let's do rear wheel without rotor carrier! What rotor are you using up front? Galfer superbike?
This is a long discussion, but this thread made my choice easy:
http://www.ducati.ms/forums/56-superbikes/86560-magnesium-vs-forged-aluminum-wheels-better.html


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RE: Rook's new chain
02/28/13 9:57 AM

for some reason orange on metal doesn't rhyme with fast in my opinion. I still can't fathom how they make the Repsol Honda so sexy. If it was anodized maybe... I still wanna see it on those wheels though lol

It will be soon now. I'm pretty sure the valves will seal fine. If the tires don't go instantly flat, I will roll the bike out and shoot a couple pics.

WHAT! You didn't weight the BSTs??

they should be here on Friday. UPS says the box weighs 23.50 lbs...


I've found shipping weights to be two or three pounds heavier than the actual weight. Case in point, my busa exhaust is shipped at 18 lbs but it actually weighs 13 lbs, 1.5 oz.

Same thing with my wheels. They were shipped at a few pounds more than they really weigh. Can't be due to cardboard packaging.

I found out that they (BST wheels) were also technically sound.

Have heard of no complaints with warping or breaking of BSTs yet.

Have heard of a mag breaking its spokes off on a race bike.

Yeah, let's do rear wheel without rotor carrier! What rotor are you using up front? Galfer superbike?

OK.

My front rotors are CZ 13" rotors. Larger diameter than stock but thin. I will weigh them separately from the wheel.


I'm kind of a slowpoke on this stuff cuz I am doing my own legal work right now....x wife is being a "you know what." Wants to stop me from taking the kids to see Gram and Gramp so they won't miss soccer game or birthday party one time/month. I didn't give in on giving the kids rides on the bikes and I'm not giving in on this either...but i must admit, soccer is a good thing too.


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RE: Rook's new chain
02/28/13 3:28 PM

Have heard of no complaints with warping or breaking of BSTs yet.
Have heard of a mag breaking its spokes off on a race bike.

Some BST's failed in the past but that was under "extreme application" i.e boost You don't want to go earlier than 11/25/2011 if they have a certain serial number. I hope mine are fresh out of the oven. Our homeboy RG is running them on his turbo 14 now so we should be kosher.

OK.
My front rotors are CZ 13" rotors. Larger diameter than stock but thin. I will weigh them separately from the wheel.

No worry, I'm still waiting for a lot of parts.
Here is the set up I'm going with

Those will probably be heavier than yours but I wanted to go FF!
I'm kind of a slowpoke on this stuff cuz I am doing my own legal work right now....x wife is being a "you know what." Wants to stop me from taking the kids to see Gram and Gramp so they won't miss soccer game or birthday party one time/month. I didn't give in on giving the kids rides on the bikes and I'm not giving in on this either...but i must admit, soccer is a good thing too.

no worry. Handle that!


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RE: Rook's new chain
02/28/13 4:49 PM

^^^yep all day to do what a lawyer would do better in 20 minutes...or not do cuz it's not likely to work. I am a DIYer though. you DO it, you learn it.

That is a swell lookin rotor there on that BST, drag. I know very little about rotors. All I ask is low weight and at least as good performance as OEM brakes. The 14s have such great brakes, it is hard to ask a whole lot more for my riding. Maybe if I get good enough to start braking harder on a track day. I can't see a guy not having enough brake for the most demanding ZX-14 sport riding on the street. ..even with the OEM brakes.

I got an overwhelming response of "Galfer wave rotor" for the rear disk. Took a really long time to get here from Spain but finally got it this winter. Ordered in like June.


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RE: Rook's new chain
03/01/13 12:05 AM

Yeah the 14 brakes are excellent. With SS lines, I have never felt like I was asking too much. That being said, if you're consistent with going to the track, I'm sure you'll find some weaknesses. Rotors have warped before etc. For now I wanna put the most distance between what the bike can do and my skills level. This way, I will appreciate it for a long time. I'll have a mean track weapon before I get that feeling from the 14 but when I get there, I will decide whether I should get bump the CC a little or just keep her as a sport touring vehicle.

Those rotors are Braketech Axis Cobra SS. I think Dogo had the same just different colors. They are true full floating, therefore self centering which means minimal brake drag and better cooling.They do make noise but for me it's part of the fun. I can't wait for somebody to ask what's wrong with my bike. I was going to go with Iron, I even almost got the CMC (1499 a rotor) but the former would rust and spoil the BST look and the latter was too much for the bike and my skill level. The CMC are banned by many organization and weigh in at a little over 1 LBS. I can only imagine how a CMC/BST combo would make a bike handle! I have enough money to buy them but not enough to justify it. What a pity, life sucks! LOL
I sometimes day dream about having them on BST's with that 3D chain!


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RE: Rook's new chain
03/05/13 4:07 AM

Rook what is that rear axle set up you have? Is that some sort of lighter axle?



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RE: Rook's new chain
03/05/13 5:04 AM

Actually, Somefun, that is just an axle slider. It's an aluminum rod that spans the inside of the axle and is capped on each side with a delrin and aluminum puck. I have M-Factory, front and rear axle sliders. Available on eBay. Not totally cheap ($80 for front and rear). Look Good but NOT proper fit for the ZX-14. The rear slider was about 1/8 inch too long. I shimmed it with a rubber grommet as a simple fix. Really should be a metal collar to form a ridged support for the slider puck.

One of those mods that adds a little weight.


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RE: Rook's new chain
03/06/13 5:03 AM

Rook, What kind of brake lines do you have? Looks neat. Tx, LD

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RE: Rook's new chain
03/06/13 5:29 AM

Those are Goodridge kevlar lines. Lighter than SS lines, they are the best brake lines for weight loss. The performance enhancement from after market lines comes from the fact that they do not expand as much as OEM rubber lines so fluid pressure is better maintained. IDK how Goodridge compares to SS lines for performance. For my riding, I have never felt it necessary to have better brakes but the aftermarket lines look cool and they are all lighter than stock.

Goodridge brake lines are 1 and a quarter pounds lighter than OEM lines. Too bad they don't make a clutch line. That would be good for another pound.

Goodridge lines seem to only come in one color. Blue. Also, black is your only option for color of the fittings and banjo bolts. The metal that the fittings are made from are super light, however. (Careful with torque).

I will be replacing my Goodridges with Spiegler SS lines soon. The Spieglers I have are orange with blue fittings and bolts.



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RE: Rook's new chain
03/10/13 7:11 AM

Rook they look pretty cool for sure!



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