sup guys. lost my first race and it was to the s1000r (that had work done).
I was in 3rd and we were dead even and idk why i went to 4th gear and he pulled on me.

I wanted to seek counsil to make sure it was me who messed up starting in 3rd on a rolling race.
next if it was more than just rider error what do I need to do besides the following.

To do list:
ecu flash don guhl
full brocks exhaust
bmw filter
healteach shifter

anything else i need to do?

mistakes i know i made:
should have been in 2nd gear
maybe need to change gearing?
shifted into 4th gear.

* Last updated by: Zxpredator on 4/29/2019 @ 1:48 PM *

Unless there's a standard speed for starting a roll-on race that I'm not aware of, I suppose we'd need to know what you started at. In any case, since the stock ZX14R should do at least 80 mph in 1st, I think maybe you should've started in 1st, and she's gonna accelerate like a scalded dog from there. Your problem is probably going to be keeping the front wheel down.

* Last updated by: extrapolator on 4/29/2019 @ 2:58 PM *

Yep.. need start speed and then what rpm did you shift out of third? You need to ride your tach..Disclaimer as I dnt really do roll ons.. Better to go to a track so you can see results ..
Also is this your first race or first race you lost ? just curious..

The BM is 100 lbs lighter, unless the other driver's ass mass was a lot more than your's that a big difference

OP: Yes, you were not using your engine's RPM! Because the ZX-14R is such a fast bike, 1st gear is good to 80 mph and 2nd gear is good to 107 mph. In a race, 3rd gear should not even be used below 107 mph, and you STAY in 3rd until you hit 133 mph (10,487 RPM) before you shift into 4th.

THIS is how you get the best acceleration out of a an absolutely STOCK ZX-14R.

All the above is based on performance modeling computer software using a stock ZX-14R hp and torque dyno chart and the actual weight of a ZX-14R with 1.5 gallons of fuel in the tank. A little extra fuel beyond 1.5 gallons won't make any difference to the shift points.

But like Xtrapolator said, you biggest problem will be keeping the front end down or at least under control.

Also, do NOT use Traction Control #2, as it will cut the power dramatically each time you wheelie just a few inches, and will "cycle" between power on and power off! You need to be using traction Control "0" or "1". However, I would strongly recommend "1" because it will cut the power if you get seriously askew, whereas "0" will allow you to lose all traction and crash.

And, if you are doing this on the street versus at a track, remember that:

You are endangering yourself, your competitor, and anyone else nearby, and severe bike damage and injury or death can result,

and

If you get caught by The Police, in many jurisdictions the penalties include things like:
- instant impounding of the motorcycle (with its attendant potential for bike damage)
- a minimum impound period that can be a month or multiple months
- huge retrieval fees from impound plus daily "storage" charge
- a reckless driving charge at a minimum
- fines measured in 4 figures
- license suspension
- an immediate draconian hike in your insurance premium
and at worst
- a reckless endangerment or manslaughter charge which you'll need to defend against.

In a recent case in my jurisdiction (British Columbia, Canada), two supercar drivers each got their car impounded for SIX months, paid huge 4-figure fines, lost their license for 2 years, and will never be able to get insurance again from the ONLY insurance company allowed by law in British Columbia: The government owned and operated insurance company, which by the way has publicly stated it considers ALL motorcycles to be dangerous and so charges very high premiums even to good drivers to discourage motorcycle ownership. Our tax dollars at work.

Best to settle who is faster at a track, where you can also engage in a good, long trash talk session before racing, and then enjoy the 1/4 mile ride without fear of sirens and lights!

Jim G

Yeah, whatever speed you start the race at, start no lower than 6000 rpm. Might as well start at 8000 if it's a roll on.

Watch out for police. I'm not going preach because I've done it but OMG did I get in some costly trouble just for 101 mph without racing anyone.

thanks for the advice all. I can say my first loss was indeed my error

I spoke with the bmw owner and he said he was in fear o losing since he knows what my bike can do. with that said
it was a learning and humbling effort. I will be better for it. and we did keep it safe in an area. and a short sprint going home.

Starting speed was like 70mph plus since we were enroute to AC.
I was in 3rd when the race began.
bike was in TRC 1
RPM unknown cause i was looking foward
i did shift out of 3rd by habit which is where i felt i lost

"You are endangering yourself, your competitor, and anyone else nearby, and severe bike damage and injury or death can result,

and

If you get caught by The Police, in many jurisdictions the penalties include things like:
- instant impounding of the motorcycle (with its attendant potential for bike damage)
- a minimum impound period that can be a month or multiple months
- huge retrieval fees from impound plus daily "storage" charge
- a reckless driving charge at a minimum
- fines measured in 4 figures
- license suspension
- an immediate draconian hike in your insurance premium
and at worst
- a reckless endangerment or manslaughter charge which you'll need to defend against."

we are normally safe and most beef handled on the track. we will never be a danger to folks on the street.

'Yeah, whatever speed you start the race at, start no lower than 6000 rpm. Might as well start at 8000 if it's a roll on.

Watch out for police. I'm not going preach because I've done it but OMG did I get in some costly trouble just for 101 mph without racing anyone.'

indeed i will do better next time. I will get my payback in good fun.

one thing tho how much abuse can the stock motor take? i don't want to destroy my motor with the RARE races I do. I enjoy riding more than racing.

I'm not a roll on racer kind of guy.....

From the digs only.

But in the interest of science, tested some roll on's on the
way to work this morning.

TC off and in the 60~70mph range
you definitely want to be in 2nd gear. This puts you
right in the power band at +/- 7k rpms.

Pinning it from there causes some real excitement!

ECU Flash is a must. Even the Schnitz flash for $50 or what ever
is a good.

* Last updated by: piken on 4/30/2019 @ 9:32 AM *

From 60-70 yeah I could see that. If you shift into 1st you'd be in 1st so briefly you'd prob waste time shifting.

good good keep the feedback coming. I will correct my erros and defeat that bmw. he is a kool rider and admitted that he should have had a closer pull or even lost the race. this is truely an example of rider error on my part.

one thing tho how much abuse can the stock motor take? i don't want to destroy my motor with the RARE races I do. I enjoy riding more than racing.

You have NOTHING to worry about at all doing roll on racing. That's light duty compared to drag launching. Enjoy the bike and really watch out for police. You might want to invest in a Uniden Radar/Laser detector.

A friend of mine bought a new BMWS1000RR a couple of years ago. Last year in August we went on the annual State Farm Bike run. A couple of guys had 2006 ZX-14's (one was my old one) with Brock's exhaust and power commanders. There were only 4 sport bikes, my nephew on his 06 14, the guy that has my old 06 14, Barry with the BMW, and me with my 2012 ZX-14R. (Mine - Brock's Alien Head full exhaust, ECU flashed by 2wheeldynoworks, stock gearing.) There were about 75 bikes, mostly Harley's. We rode in the back of the pack so we could mess around. Barry with the BMW raced the 2 06 14's, 2nd gear roll on at 40 mph. He walked away from both of them. The guys were not only embarrassed, they were pretty hurt, too. They couldn't believe how easily the BMW pulled away from them. Barry on the BMW pulled up beside me and said 2nd gear at 40 mph on the count of 3. We did this 4 times. He tried sport mode, race mode, and some other kind of mode, I don't know. I walked away from him every time. When we got to our 1st stop, he said the torque that big thing makes just instantly pulled away from me. He also said he cheated 1 time and took off in 1st gear instead of 2nd and you still walked away.
Try your friend the same way, 2nd gear roll at 40 mph. You might surprise him.

What TC mode were you in Pred?

i was out riding last night. i should be in lower gear on the regular. bike has some serious power. I will run him again in 2nd.

"You have NOTHING to worry about at all doing roll on racing. That's light duty compared to drag launching. Enjoy the bike and really watch out for police. You might want to invest in a Uniden Radar/Laser detector."

I have waze for the cops/ and if i can push the bike to harder limits i am going to start having some fun. I have done some insane top end runs but the races i am still learning.

"What TC mode were you in Pred?"
I was trc 1 but i know if i had it off i am a bit more unlocked. I saw youtube videos on this where the zx14r beat the bmw with trc off

The S1000RR(R) motor is very strong. I had one, the RR. But remember, there is a huge difference in gearing. That being said, the 2012+ 14R is a different animal than the previous generation. More power and slightly shorter gearing.

The latest police radar is laser based "instantly "on" only once the officer pulls the trigger. Your speed is caught before your radar detector can even react. On the other hand, the officer has to be continuously visually scanning for a vehicle to "paint", and most officers only stay that vigilant for a very short time. :)

Jim G

* Last updated by: JimGnitecki on 5/1/2019 @ 12:38 PM *

i was out riding last night. i should be in lower gear on the regular. bike has some serious power.

Correct. 200 HP / 113 ft-lbs torque.

And just think, I had a 1990 Honda CRX car that was actually pretty fast, and it only put out something like 120 HP ... and that was with a muffler and cam I put in it.

Just pull your plate off before a race and if the PoPo show up "Pin It"!

... and win this time!

The latest police radar is laser based "instantly "on" only once the officer pulls the trigger. Your speed is caught before your radar detector can even react. On the other hand, the officer has to be continuously visually scanning for a vehicle to "paint", and most officers only stay that vigilant for a very short time. :)

It often depends on where you go fast and which branch of the law is patrolling that area. A lot of the county highways are patrolled mainly by Sheriff with old equipment. The Uniden will identify what band of radar is being used or if it is laser. Scope that out a while and you'll know what to expect. If it's laser, you are probably out of luck but at least you will know you've been hit. If it's instant on, you can tell that technique is being used and you if you're quick on the brake you can at least slow down before they get full lock on you. You have about a second and a half maybe two seconds. If you run, make darned sure you can get away. You might avoid jail but you'll probably be in some corrective program when you get back to active duty. You must know more about that than me.

If you're going to do it WIN this time!

"You must know more about that than me."

Uh, no. And intend to NEVER have to find out. But the local newspapers give those kinds of incidents plenty of media coverage, as a form of "public service" and to put the Fear of God into drivers!

Jim G

"You must know more about that than me."
Uh, no. And intend to NEVER have to find out. But the local newspapers give those kinds of incidents plenty of media coverage, as a form of "public service" and to put the Fear of God into drivers!

* Last updated by: Rook on 5/1/2019 @ 7:56 PM *

"I was actually referring to preditor's knowledge of the military's policies on getting busted in the civilian world. I'm sure they do something to you when you get back to duty since the law can't jail you...unless it's so bad the military won't take you back anymore."

Wow, I did not know that! So if an off-base serviceman murders someone, what happens?

JIm G

i think i will beat him this time. murdered a few bikes today and 1 was a bmw. it was kinda close but 2nd gear was all i needed
but the bmw that beat me i have a sole mission to get my revenge,

Wow, I did not know that! So if an off-base serviceman murders someone, what happens?

i think i will beat him this time. murdered a few bikes today and 1 was a bmw. it was kinda close but 2nd gear was all i needed
but the bmw that beat me i have a sole mission to get my revenge,

Do it for the ZX-14 COMMUNITY.