Let me tell y'all a little story and ask for some advice. I was arrested lastnight and spent the night in jail for reckless driving(ie excessive speed)I was definately breaking the speed limit by quite a bit but the officer never clocked me or even saw me take off. The only reason he pursued me was he "heard me hit it". I was miles down the road and already had slowed to normal speed when he pulled up behind me and flicked the lights seeing this I immediately pulled over. Now does he have a case or not? I have no issue paying the fines or anything because I was in fact breaking the law but he never saw me or clocked me doing anything illegal. Do you think this can be dismissed.

I'd say...No...no proof of anything.BUT.....since you did spend the night in jail...you could "plead" the "sentence" to "time served" I would think.He knows he's got no real proof of your adventure.If he did,he would have given you some kind of paperwork with your "charge" on it.Well...okay..."wreckless driving"...ya...but still,no real proof."I heard him hit it" isn't gonna fly.I'd fight this one if it were me.UNLESS....pleading NO-Contest(which is NOT a guilty plea) will allow for some leeway in what goes on your record.You've already paid the fine by sitting in jail.Methinks the judge will laugh to himself when that officer says"I heard him hit it".That's way subjective without any radar or visible proof-which he's already admitted he doesn't have by saying "heard" instead of "saw".That's like trying to give a guy a speeding ticket cause he "heard" the engine winding out.How's he know that the guy wasn't goin 5 mph doin a burnout?Especially if he didn't see what was going on.

I say fight it cause like a fool I admitted to speeding after being clocked at the 35mph limit(in a 35)for at least a 1/4 mile.Some yahoo in a cage called the police BEFORE I had rolled into town and told em I was "really rippin" or some such shit.The cage was goin the other way,and I was passing legally when here he comes,so natch,he had to move a bit to the right side of his lane,but no big deal-people do this ALL THE TIME here.It's a common courtesy to give a passing car more room.The guy was just pissed at bikers probably.So when I rolled into town about 3 minutes later,sure enough,the sheriff was comin my way.Soon as I passed him(doing 35,the limit)he u-turned and radared me for about 1/4 mile-then lit me up and told me about this call they got.I explained to him what it REALLY was.Ya-no go.Took me to jail.Yep.Didn't impound my bike-but I had to have it towed to my town that night when I got released(they wouldn't allow me to ride it home!).Could have fought that one and won fer sure-I mean-my word against that yahoo-who was LONG GONE.And the sheriff clocking me at the speed limit.Dumb dumb dumb.It won't happen like that again,I'll tell ya that much.That's one of the things I hate about cell phones-up here-there's signs along the roads"to report dangerous drivers,call..."So a guy's hatin life and bikers in general-ya...makes a call...guess what.Yer history.What a crock!

The ONLY reason I pled guilty was because I was taking daily shots and medicines for my liver-and sitting in jail to go to court wasn't gonna work(which is what they planned for me to do-sit in jail that is).You REALLY won't believe THIS part-but it's the honest truth....They put me on HOUSE ARREST for 30 days!Only allowed to go to work and emergencies.The "house arrest" guy showed up at my job like three or four times during that deal-makin sure I was "following the rules".Unbelievable!!!!!All this over a "cell phone call" from a long gone driver!!!!!NO PROOF OF ANYTHING ILLEGAL!!!ALL "HERESAY".Plus the "fine" was like 400 dollars.Some people just have too much time on their hands and too little life.You should have seen the cage the guy was drivin...big ass "old" lincoln continental.Probably drunk.It wouldn't surprise me here-LOTS of drunken driving goin on.I forgot to mention,it was a four lane highway-two lanes on each side(with a broken yellow on MY SIDE).SHEEEET...how much room does a guy need?

* Last updated by: blue07 on 4/24/2010 @ 3:48 PM *

Another reason to leave the stock pipes on.

I'm not sure about Texas law. In Georgia a LEO can make a visual estimation of speed but cannot make one based on what he hears. Also the visual estimation cases have easily been beat in court with videos of different speeds and having the officer make a wrong guess at the actual speed in testimony. Very few tickets here are based on a visual estimation. I say plead not guilty and in court make no admission to exceeding the speed limit. I would say "your honor I was in first gear riding within the speed limit, I always keep the bike in a rev zone that allows me to make split second decisions to get out of harms way". Make the officer give an actual speed or testimony that you were indeed speeding.

Holy fuck listening to these stories of American cops, I may or may not work in the industry ....dude there is no way you could put someone in jail here for the night for driving fast unless it constituted Criminal dangerous driving, but way harder to prove than a provincial traffic ticket of careless driving, speeding or what ever.......... If you do 50km over the limit you just get a ticket for mandatory court and the judge decides the fine, slim to none they will say jail!!!

My buddy got arrested in Pheonix for pissing in beside a car in the parking lot of a busy bar, an officer saw him doin something by the truck, asks him if he was pissing on the truck, and my buddy sez "yes"... boom arrested charged with Criminal Littering and polluting!!! Spends the night in jail.... he wasn't drunk and he was polite with the officer...

I don't know too much about the different laws in the US, you may want to get legal advice on this one.... if all he has is hearing you, I mean he should have to prove that he "saw" you driving in a reckless manner, if he did estimate your speed he would have to estimate his distance from you to him, and of course your speed.... if he was 300yards away that is pretty tough, he would have to use landmarks, or how fast you were travelling compared to other traffic.... did he have in car video?? YOu should try to get your hands on the police report... it would have all the information on it that he would need to prove the charge... if its weak then you challenge the evidence in court.... unless he has video, witnesses, or radar/laser readings then it is all his word against yours.... But I would suggest that you seek some sort of legal advice.... Sounds like he has a weak case from what you are saying!!! Let us know how this turns out for ya...

Pull the flies. Have the police officer match your every move. See who cannot handle the bike and is too wreck less to even drive a patrol car. I'll layout the course. Show the judge on the video for the officer to match speeds and braking. I'm not a lawyer, just wondering what constitutes whack less driving? Cell phone callers are more dangerous, yes or no, officer fat fuck get on the bike.

You talk big Hub...

I don't know about US cops but I think it may be safe to assume cops in certain regions like the south, Texas Virginia maybe some others. Are a holes. Here it doesn't seem too bad ... so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EruofIiqQdA

I think I can hold my own. One reason I hold that dick is dwarf that cock ass I make a fool of myself using that dick is some wanker calls me out and I'm the kind of big talker that says I can show up at your favorite road you know best.

See if we can squeeze someone into that rail kind of pissed off enough to teach cops how to ride if that metal wasn't in my body kind of liability to the city petty cash is some court case says my shoulder failed pulling someone out of a burning car is you fool hired a broken down bike body is I think I still got a tiny bit of game for ya, guy.

I can back up my shit fella, no matter your training... I still got your ass covered is I pull over or I'll kill that cop he throttles the same shit UP. His [or my] last breath is with me kind of big talking.

Care to death wish? I got my helmet on. Bag of shit it's still April.

Ya...kinda agree with the "leave the stock pipes on" thing.I've got TiForces-they WILL bark if ya flog em.I'm VERY careful to not do that in any residential areas-especially these little towns here.My buddy rides a Busa with an Alien Head on it....geez-talk about a cop magnet.I rarely ride with him anymore though-he's got other things going on.But his bike is LOUD-even at 2,3 grand cruising.Just obnoxious.Couldn't even hear my bike when I was behind him!Pretty painful as well.

What did you say Hub?

ZYou mean goofing with, Fuzz?

Better stay out of Canada Hub.... Let's move on...go check my question in "ask Hub" will ya.

* Last updated by: blue07 on 4/25/2010 @ 1:41 AM *

I'm not a lawyer, just wondering what constitutes whack less driving?

Hub in Ohio 20 mph over speed limit is wreckless driving.

.But his bike is LOUD-even at 2,3 grand cruising.Just obnoxious.Couldn't even hear my bike when I was behind him!Pretty painful as well.

Blue remember LOUD PIPES SAVES LIVES!!! lol

I have no issue paying the fines or anything because I was in fact breaking the law

i say yuor fukked by your own words .. never ever admit guilt ever ..

Take it to court, You will Win. Insurance, Insurance, Insurance. When your lawyer asks the officer on the stand if he ever lost sight of you, even if it was only for a second, you will walk. Not to mention the charge is based on sound reports not Radar readings. A good lawyer will get you out of that one with ease. Does the officer have you on video ?

High speed pursuit for 20 years almost, I'm on the street [now] using no rear brake is still high speed testing and I said, if I had the chance training pole leasezzzzzzzzz, the city fathers would not be bothered filling rear pad$ for their yearly budgets on the patrol bikes someone give me a ticket I can out ride out brake most cops piss on that is write you the fuck up I see so many violations just to stay alive give me a fucking BRAKE pulling me over is bend you over, Wee-wee LO is stick that ticket up your ass here comes that dildo in your face is the symbolic tick it!

Fukers, I got you so covered! Like RG says in that ad, "Cum Gut Me!" You might find yoursplattered I told chew sow is someone is going to eat oats. Not my problem you needed to make comment. Dis be war games telling me to slow down is you ASSUME I will get hurt is none of your fucking business what I do alone, without anyone else around.

* Last updated by: Hub on 4/25/2010 @ 9:26 AM *

Thanks fellas, no he does not have me on camera. The camera comes on when he turns his lights on when he finally did catch up to me and flicked on his lights I was doing the speed limit. I appreciate the advice hub but in Texas its a felony to evade in a motor vehicle, and I have waaayyy to much to lose even at 22. I do have an attorney that handles my traffic cases and I will consult with him tomorrow just seeking more input on here. Money isn't really an issue so I don't see it being a problem getting it dismissed, but in the event that they want to play hardball I want to be prepared. Kind of off topic but JAIL FUCKING SUCKS!

Good one Scott!

You may be able to get some reimbursement for improper imprisonment. You should have pee'd on yourself, then you could sue the officer for public embarrasement.

Fact is, he's got a chip on his shoulder for bikers. He "heard" you. Your defense is, someone pulled out in front of me, i had to give it some throttle to avoid being hit. It was much safer then locking up the brakes and laying the bike over, and getting ran over.

Wreckless driving in oklahoma could be: excessive speed, entering a speed contest, spinning your tires (yes, i'm serious), and doing wheelies.

I've gotten one for each of those. None are on my record.

Sambeaux, just wondering if you had the lovely privilege of watching your pride and joy dangle from the back of a tow truck while they stuffed your head into the back of the cruiser ,,,,, There's a pain that lingers.

I appreciate the advice hub but in Texas its a felony to evade in a motor vehicle, and I have waaayyy to much to lose even at 22.

Hold on, Cowboy, I said I could out run most of the guys driving the patrol cars. I did not say to do it or that I would do it. They have kids or family, I have no clue. I've been guilty of sucking some guy following me downhill heading to the rock store. He had this Yoshi Z1 and he missed the turn, headed straight into a wall [right before the quick S's]. Hey, I though he could ride, what did I know? His buddy catches wind of it, thought he could do the same to me. He takes me on a road he knows. That was on some strange road I did not know about. Huge, high speed sweeper going up hill. So, I stayed with him. He had the HP on me, but I hung back there. He then tells me that I could ride, me on a stock 750, he with his highly built Yoshi CB750. At the time, I may have been a few years older than you are now.

In the back of my mind [with the 14], I can mess with these guys, but I would not cause them to be all stressed out on the ragged edge. They have enough problems with the public. But, I'd like to mess with that guy that has his diaper in a wad, he needs to slow you down? I played with a CHPee just yesterday. I do not run from the law. I make him follow my line, look in the rear view mirror and laugh he's all over the road.

If they stop me, it's always about speeding. They can't touch my bike it's too legal, so I don't want them to stop me for some fix-it ticket I have no time for, nor waste their time. So, hear me out. I did not say to run. I said I do not run and make things worse? For an engine rev, or double digit speed 15 miles over the speed limit? Gonna move those city fathers the fuck out of there with this bike shit they don't change that hook-it up law.

You change the laws so the cops can chase illegals and people not driving but an office on 4-wheels or a menu drive-in is drive-out-driving still.

Here is the deal; you take control of the stop. Act submissive. Calm the gal/guy down. He/she is the Alpha, so let h/im do their job. Now that you have them seeing you are not about to give them trouble, you talk yourself out of some slow speeding a few miles over as if this bike could not stop in time if you were running the speed limit; stupid cops don't see how safe this bike is. Say you were adjusting the idle for a brake check next time so you say this is a fast bike and made adjustments for safety... The weather changed direction, say.

Just pile that BS on and keep their interest, hope he gets a call for some accident. Hand him one of your doughnuts. Let him take your next cell call an shit. Someone crash already is get me out of this tick-tock-tick it.

* Last updated by: Hub on 4/26/2010 @ 10:31 AM *

"I've been guilty of sucking some guy following me"

Hmmm I always figured that about you Hubster!!! hahaha I can take a little rousing if you can!! Cheers buddy! Oh and Sam they may have video I know the camera systems depending on the one they use, as the video portion records back 30seconds... but if you were a ways away from him you would look like a spot on the screen anyways and he would have to prove it was you... anyways good luck with it all.... Oh and huster I have seen your bike in some pic's thats gotta be against the law!!! LOL kiddin buddy!!

* Last updated by: Fuzz4141 on 4/26/2010 @ 11:39 AM *

That is when you need an educated wrist that does not allow the bike to go past the posted speed limit. I am proud to say that my 175 HP ZX14 obeys all posted speed limits and is curtious to fellow riders/drivers.

(Hope my nose dun't start growin again)

That's too funny, Sniffles.

"Oh and huster I have seen your bike in some pic's thats gotta be against the law!!! LOL kiddin buddy!!"

Fuzzy, Between the LEO's on the old lady's side, the LEO on my side of the fence, you see the graffiti on the wall. How could I place these guys in that sort of RUN on their lives. I've seen them grow up and can blow them away. Trust me.

That makes any LEO, family. I'm not about to take them out chasing me. In my mind, they are toast. I just stepped up the bar with the 14. I don't need to keep proving myself for anyone. You gotta hold it in [the grip from moving] is involve others with your antics.

You mean the muffler bearing? I'm changing an A/F read, so it is back to bone stock pipes with a wrap attached. Just checking to see what the WB has to say about it? Then I'm ripping that off because of the weight. I'll be quiet as a mouse because the '08 throttle bodies are going back on as well. She will be bone stock quiet.

I have way too many amber/red reflecting that stupid fed law with a light on [that still takes out the LEO at intersections]. Winkers are big and work. Go chase cell calls or is it legal to reach down and throw pipe wrap at their windshield before they call on me you showing up arresting me? DaFuk is wit dat!

* Last updated by: Hub on 4/26/2010 @ 1:02 PM *