Did anyone ever actually get to find out what their bike dynoed at from the factory before they paid for the bike? Any chance dealers sell the stronger bikes first and save the lower hp bikes for the leftovers? My dealer says they don't bother checking the factory hp and they never disclose it unless the buyer wants to know after the sale. If they told anyone in advance of the sale, they would never sell the ones that are 5 hp shy.

* Last updated by: Rook on 1/15/2010 @ 5:09 PM *

I never seen a dealer that dyno's the bikes new.

A dealer will inevitably loose their privileges as such
as soon as the factory finds out that they disobeyed the
owners and service manual that clearly states how high the engine
should be reved during break in.

I have heard a few times that all bikes are dynoed by Kawasaki when they test run the engine at peak rpm before they ever ship to a dealer. The peak hp is documented by Kawasaki and included with a brand new bike. The dealer has the info so they do not need to dyno the bikes a second time at 0 miles, voiding the warranty.

I was just wondering if anyone was able to get their dealer to tell them the hp # that the manufacturer recorded before they purchased the bike. Also, would a dealer sell the stronger bikes first?

I doubt if they dyno every bike.That would be done in engineering,on a select few.Every bike is started though.A couple of years ago I saw a vid of the Kawasaki assembly plant cant remember if it was online or TV.I think it was a promo DVD

well i've never purchased a new bike that had a 000000 mileage reading either ..

or seen one on the floor

so i guess maybe there might be something to this

* Last updated by: Badzx14r on 1/16/2010 @ 9:07 AM *

I agree with Rook, I have as so read somewhere that all bikes are dyno and the numbers are recorded.

1bad wrote:

well i've never purchased a new bike that had a 000000 mileage reading either ..

or seen one on the floor

I have seen pics of bike odos with 0 on them. The 14 had 7 when I got it but I guess that was the dealer test ride? The busa had 3 when I got it and that dealer told me Suz puts a few miles on the bike before shipping.

I'm just wondering about the manufacturer dyno because if I get a new bike, it will be 2 years old and I am concerned that it might have been chosen as a floor model because it had less power. Sounds kind of overboard. they probably just pick the crate that comes off the truck last.

I'd still be curious if anyone got a manufacturer dyno figure from the stealer before or after the sale. I almost think I remember declining access to this info when I bought the 14.

* Last updated by: Rook on 1/16/2010 @ 12:59 PM *

That old video of Kawi's assembly line with the zx14 and zx6r shows more than ones how the final
step before putting the bikes in crates for shipping is a dyno pull through all gears in which the operator checks if the bike is covering all marks.
I've seen a Honda video on HD Theater (Amazing Factories) where they also did exactly the same with the CBR- dyno pull before crating for shipping to the dealers.

FWIW, In '06, I had the dealer finish uncrating, in my presence, my CBR1000, as I told him in no uncertain terms that I did not want the bike "test rode" by some dillweed, burning rubber, wheelying and running the living crap out of my new ride. I would only let him test ride in my presence. He rode it 2/10 of a mile and thats how I took delivery. The dealer was fine with honoring my request.

The bikes come out of the crates with 0 on the odometer.
No exceptions! They are not test ridden in Japan- from the assembly line, through QC, on the dyno
and then straight to a shipping crate. Those crates are loaded into containers on site.

When you see a showroom floor bike with a few miles on it- someone took it for a spin.
Doing wheelies and burning rubber by the mechanic or the sales guy who rode it probably amounts to a minor fraction of what these machines are designed and build to do, even when not broken in fully.

My buddy still has his 05 zx10r that now has 30K on the clock. The bike has been through countless track days and was also pushed hard on the street. The bike is still an absolute beast and keeps up with anything I've seen on our local tracks.

That old video of Kawi's assembly line with the zx14 and zx6r shows before putting the bikes in crates for shipping is a dyno pull through all gears in which the operator checks if the bike is covering all marks.

thats mileage unless somebody resets the odometer

The bikes come out of the crates with 0 on the odometer.
No exceptions!

now how can that be .. with 1st qoute saying its tested before crating

* Last updated by: Badzx14r on 1/16/2010 @ 6:18 PM *

^^ Maybe the manufacturer has a way to disable the odo or reset it to 0. Maybe they even test the motor before it goes into the bike.

Rook to answer your question, no they don't sell the fast bikes first, it's whatever comes out of the crate and gets put out on the floor that gets sold first. You're not getting anything by buying a two year old floor model except a discount...and possibly a few scratches from kids climbing all over it. It sounds like you're going to jump on that ZX-10 Rook, just do it. If you have the bucks... go ahead, buy it... you only live life once!

Jap bikes are put on the dyno at the factory. (There goes the break in theory)Honda puts the factory peak HP ratings on the certificate of origin. Now they are manufacture ratings so who knows mine says 159.9 for the CBR1000rr. Pretty sure the other manufactures do the same or something similar.I heard Kaw puts the numbers on the paperwork attached to the create not sure if thats the cert. of origin or some other paper work. Rook the dealers don't give a damn they uncrate the bike and sell it they have nothing to gain by holding bikes that show a lower hp rating. I would think the manufature would have no problems resetting the the ECU to show 0 miles.

OK, just wondering....yeah, about the blue 08 zx10. I don't think i would want to know any dyno # for the exact bike i just bought as long as it was a random pick.

That 10 is going to have way more power than you'll know what to do with Rook. Buy it and have fun!

* Last updated by: Kruz on 1/18/2010 @ 12:55 PM *

Honda puts the factory peak HP ratings on the certificate of origin. Now they are manufacture ratings so who knows mine says 159.9 for the CBR1000rr

Kawasaki does that also, mine read 193 hp on the MSO.
I really think that they just put the bikes on the dyno just as a means to run them through the gears (with a load) as a overall quick check and not to record HP numbers.

Kawasaki does that also, mine read 193 hp on the MSO.
I really think that they just put the bikes on the dyno just as a means to run them through the gears (with a load) as a overall quick check and not to record HP numbers.

Figured they did 193 hp LOL when I had my 06 it cranked out 158.9 on a dynojet 250i. I think kaw did claim 193 for the zx14 right? so what they posted on your MSO matches what they claimed.

Skip to 3:40. Every bike is warmed up, then power tested. According to this guy anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58Aq_tO6_Fs

Figured they did 193 hp LOL when I had my 06 it cranked out 158.9 on a dynojet 250i. I think kaw did claim 193 for the zx14 right? so what they posted on your MSO matches what they claimed.

They are claiming hp at the crankshaft with those numbers, just like the new BMW S1000RR same claim at the crankshaft.

They are claiming hp at the crankshaft with those numbers, just like the new BMW S1000RR same claim at the crankshaft.

I thought that was still a matter of speculation whether the BMW's hp claim was a rw or crank figure. If it is 190ish at the crank the new bimmer will be fairly typical of japanese 1000s, won't it?

Everything I have seen says the BMW is producing around 185 Rear Wheel HP, that's over 200 HP at the crank. This is in Euro tune and on Euro dynos. These guys seem to magically lose ponies on American dynos. The Aprilia RSV4 has dropped from a world beating 165 rear wheel hp to less than 150 rear wheel hp (ho hum)over here in the states....hmmmmmm!
I think there is a definite bias towards Euro bikes over there, it's like they can do no wrong.

Anyway, how much power you have is irrelevant if it's not useable, that will be the real test of the Beemer.