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Created on: 04/09/11 03:45 PM

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Slowninja



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Poll!
04/09/11 3:45 PM

WEll we don't really have a poll function (that i know of)..

Anyways, I'm building an 07 zx14 from the frame up. I already have the frame, subframe, front end is on its way, and a (rebuildable) motor is in the works. I already have enough spare plastics to put together an entire bike (lol)

I also have two swingarms.. A stock arm, and a long arm.

So here's the poll:

Should I build a dedicated drag bike?

Or

Should I build a dedicated road course bike?

The frame has a non-rebuildable title, so it will be track only. I just can't decide which track I want to go to.



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9.24 @ 148
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Grn14


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RE: Poll!
04/09/11 4:50 PM

SLOW SLOW SLOW....have both...you know yer gonna want to keep dragging...it's part of who you are.Not too many can say they've broken the sound barrier on their bikes!I'd be scared shi*less.No way could I manage that type of acelleration on two wheels!I just want ya to WIN!That's MY vote.

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RE: Poll!
04/09/11 6:46 PM

have both...you know yer gonna want to keep dragging...it's part of who you are.

2ND

I'm still holding out hope for 7.99999999.

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RE: Poll!
04/09/11 7:31 PM

You're thinking Ninja au le MassZX-14? I think he already has proven the 14 isn't going to be made an all out road race bike---not as long as we have smaller stock bikes. I'd say if you are considering racing competitively, better go with a real track bike. Most tracks are going to put the 14 way behind after several laps. We've heard that a million times.

fix the 14 up for a street bike or a drag bike and get an old beater 600 for the track.



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Slowninja



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RE: Poll!
04/10/11 12:22 AM

Here's the reason i'm pondering this.

I will still have my current bike. I will still be able to take it to the drag strip.

I've ridden at our road course and loved it. Yes, i'd love to have a 600 or 750 to take out there.. But hell i can't have 3 bikes.

The reason i even consider having a zx14 road coarse bike is because people think it can't be done. I love being the underdog.



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ZX-16 in 2010
8.64 at 158 on motor
8.28 at 173 on nitrous

Back to stock for 2011.
9.24 @ 148
185 hp pump gas
New beast sitting in the garage. 07 ZX14.. Just a bare frame... for now.

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FastTimes



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RE: Poll!
04/10/11 5:51 AM

Being a long time lurker but very interested in the ZX14 i say track bike. Just came off an R1 and looking for something more comfy and easier for my passenger to ride with me. BUT i still wana do a trck day every now and then, so im curious how the 14 would do on the track and how far it can be pushed. Ive seen busas on the track alot but seldom a 14.

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RE: Poll!
04/10/11 10:11 AM

TRACK,TRACK,TRACK.I might be a bit biased,she is a big girl and likes a big track,just something special about dragging a knee,Do I see another set of BST's in the near future?



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Hub


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RE: Poll!
04/10/11 11:01 AM

Swing:

1. I get to still drag with an arm.
2. I let the novice class have half the field.
3. I now have a drifter bike and I if I catch up with the R1's... Who's fault is that?

Stock:
1. I get to be a decent rider out the gate without an arm.
2. I get to load the bike up and drag a knee, not drift.
3. I get to have both worlds I bring either she wing wit me.

WOTo Do:

1. I dew D.
2. I due D.
3. Claire, I drag, drift, road, ride, fly the fuck!?

Easy... Too fuKING easy if you ass me where my arms sit to fit to fly.

Check dis 3-Point Landing Gear is Shit in a Poise... Squid Suitit UP.



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RE: Poll!
04/10/11 11:12 AM

will still have my current bike. I will still be able to take it to the drag strip.

OHH! Well, all I can give is my----I'd try to go in two different directions with the bikes. Make the 14 into a track bike. IDK what you can do that Mass didn't do but that doesn't matter. You have your own path your on. If you already have lightweight wheels, I would just swap them over between 14s. Too expensive to own two sets if you don't need. Worth the hassle of switch overs.


I'd love to get on a road course. There are a couple I could get to this summer with my 14 or busa.

This sure looks fun.


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Slowninja



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RE: Poll!
04/10/11 12:26 PM

They guy i bought my bike from, had an assortment of 14s. He had one that he took to our local (100 miles away lol) roadcourse.

He had to take the lower fairings off, because he was scraping them.

Then, eventually he rubbed a hole in the clamp for the lower radiator hose, causing the hose to come loose and him to wreck.

BUT, he didn't have the bike RAISED any (which is possible if you use your imagination).

BTW, he was turning 1:23-1:24 lap times. My best time at that track on a 750 was 1:26.



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ZX-16 in 2010
8.64 at 158 on motor
8.28 at 173 on nitrous

Back to stock for 2011.
9.24 @ 148
185 hp pump gas
New beast sitting in the garage. 07 ZX14.. Just a bare frame... for now.

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Hub


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RE: Poll!
04/10/11 12:45 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX_7eGWt6z0

No book will helpiss is Piss On Prid! Cut that fogger like a cake down the middle.

Tosson in the weeds too we ERA-UP! IF ONLY!



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Slowninja



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RE: Poll!
04/10/11 3:01 PM

hub, you're a strange man.



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ZX-16 in 2010
8.64 at 158 on motor
8.28 at 173 on nitrous

Back to stock for 2011.
9.24 @ 148
185 hp pump gas
New beast sitting in the garage. 07 ZX14.. Just a bare frame... for now.

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privateer


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RE: Poll!
04/10/11 4:47 PM

You can certainly set the ZX14 up and have fun on the track.

I don't think you can successfully compete in AMA Pro Racing (Road Race classes) because each class has 1 or 2 best-in-class machines and none of them are ZX14s. Shes too big to compete at that level.

Someone might herd a ZX14 around in 1.24ish but that same someone will run a Yamaha or Suzuki, say Supersport class, around faster.

But you could still go to track days and have a whole lot of fun. Other than the fact she was not designed to be road raced and won't let you forget it.

Heh.



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Slowninja



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RE: Poll!
04/10/11 8:31 PM

Let me reiterate..

I don't want to be 'competitive'. I'm not going to any big time races. I would just be going to a trackday, probably once a month (or every other month).

The guy that ran 1:24s on the zx14 also ran 1:21s on his gsxr 1000. An advantage, yes. Much of an advantage? Hardly.



Resident Drag Racing Expert.
ZX-16 in 2010
8.64 at 158 on motor
8.28 at 173 on nitrous

Back to stock for 2011.
9.24 @ 148
185 hp pump gas
New beast sitting in the garage. 07 ZX14.. Just a bare frame... for now.

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bgordon

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RE: Poll!
04/11/11 9:53 AM

Being a long time lurker but very interested in the ZX14 i say track bike. Just came off an R1 and looking for something more comfy and easier for my passenger to ride with me. BUT i still wana do a trck day every now and then, so im curious how the 14 would do on the track and how far it can be pushed. Ive seen busas on the track alot but seldom a 14.

Welcome to the forum!

The 14 is fun on the track, but doesn't like to turn nearly as much as the smaller bikes do. Tight corners are not nearly as much fun on the 14 as they are on smaller machines. Just my opinion... -bg

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Jrcarter



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RE: Poll!
04/11/11 2:01 PM

I vote for a roadracing build...it would be fun to take a machine out there that you don't ride on the street and don't really care if ya get a scrape or two on the plastics. That way you can really push it if you want and if you have a little mishap it's no harm no foul.

Jrcarter

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RE: Poll!
04/11/11 5:36 PM

ROAD RACING setup!



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RE: Poll!
04/12/11 12:39 AM

Slow... bro.. dedicate that spare for some straight line mayhem. Use it for what it does best! my 2 cents. And hell yes you can have 3 bikes! in fact.. someone asked once, "how many motorcycles do you need?" I answered with another question.. "How many are there?" :D



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RE: Poll!
04/12/11 12:22 PM

Let me reiterate...

If you are not going to be competitive, do not chase that 14's lap time then.
If you are not going to hang it out with the lever, run a stock arm, you are not ready, same as chasing that number.
If you are not gong to think smooth, be slow, creep up to the speed, then you do not need to show that competitive side is to fly and glide. And to reiterate the basics; look far out ahead and think smooth in-smooth out = WOT Speed?

Let me reiterate...

You ain't ready! Run stock and learn the ropes [of the apex] first. Squiggle a line on a sheet of paper. Draw the same matching line next to it. There is your road from the air. Look down, find the apex. Draw the straightest line. If you tag the squiggles from right to left, left to right = Tagged the Apex.

Now, useda ready.


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RE: Poll!
04/12/11 12:55 PM

To follow on Hubs line of though (scary), if you want to roadrace, and you never did more than a few track days, start with an AMA Superbike class literbike, or even a 600.

Something light, responsive, and not terribly fast. Learn on that, and then you can decide what to do.

Besides you can get a decent literbike (or smaller, like a 600 ninja) for minimal expenditure. Hang around a track where AMA races are run, and sooner or later you'll find a decent one for sale, all set up to race, from someone with more money than skill.`

I am no longer capable of doing it, but thats not the same as never having done it. The 250s in particular are amazingly fun on tracks like Laguna Seca. They won't turn the rear tire to mush coming out of a corner, but they will force you be smooth and follow consistant lines or your lap times will suffer.

I still can't see wasting time trying to make a ZX14 a road race bike. If I was gonna bother, I'd start again with a 600 which can get you around every bit as fast as a ZX14 on some tracks. You'd be amazed how fun it is to race a 600 after riding a pig like the ZX14. Not that I lack affection for the ZX14, I just don't believe she is a good road race bike, no matter what you do to her. Unless you find a way to knock 150 pounds off her and gain 3 inches or more of clearance.

And once you wait until the last possible entrance marker to pull hard on the front brake of a 600 and feel her start to come loose and find it doesn't bother you because she is SO light, and you just release the brake while laying her over on her side and she drives on through the apex out the other side under full throttle, like she was just taking a stroll through the park.... you'll start building the kind of skill you'll need for a literbike.

You know as well as I do, you can't do that with a ZX14.

And who here is going to make a claim they are a skilled road racer who can go out today and fall asleep out of boredom running a 600 on a road course with lap times close enough to the track record to count?

So if you want to race, start with something which will cooperate with you in building skill, instead of something which will try to murder you if you make the slightest mistake.



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RE: Poll!
04/12/11 2:17 PM

Well, a Z-1 weighs 554.5-lbs.


A 14 weighs 474-lbs.


If we do the math as in dry weight give or take 80 pounds equals wet to match the Z1; Didn't they push those heavy piles a lot slower through the turns?

Would you be caught dead with those old Z-1 brakes you try to match weight to stop?
Would you be caught hanging it over the cork or would a turn like 9 at Riverside do a number on the 14; yes it would and most likely the 600 would tag too.

We'll never know, but if you want shave... I saved some parts just to remind me how many holes I oiled on all those wide crank dyno covers.

Is not today's bike a bit narrower? Could you shave any more left side before you tag a foot peg = Then, run Total Lossadassuperbike trick. Right side, you are on your own! Pad some elbow = Track Ready!


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RE: Poll!
04/12/11 2:49 PM

It will take me very little time to redial myself into some, 'slow time' as in; RT.
It will take you a few years and lots of track time to become somewhat smooth as glass to execute the fastshit.

WOThe cluck you spending 'Slow'$' when he's not even close to Duc diving. He's a hawlie outta da waTTear. He's got better brakes than the 600's no doubt. Strike one.

The quack in the water is if the pond fits, then you look for ground clearance if the fun is no longer joy. Expand the skill-thrill-factor. Like, buy a case of golf balls, the whole package down to the fluffy golf wear and you find out the game is harder than you thought?

You could have found out the hard way is buy a bucket of balls using the house club. See how it swings out the pit$ is look what you are stuck with... Sheslower model ya duckwipe!


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04/12/11 2:51 PM



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RE: Poll!
04/12/11 3:34 PM

Hubster...WHERE did you ever get a weight of 474 for a 14!!!!I weighed mine with a half tank of gas,my Tiforces on there...she hit 540 on the nose!(no rear fender).

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Slowninja



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RE: Poll!
04/12/11 4:24 PM

In race trim, it would be extremely easy to get the beast down to 470 or 460.

i'm no rookie on a roadcourse. I've ran 1:25s on the same course we're talking about, on a 750.

Another guy gave me some good advice.

Yes, go against the grain and do something different.

If you do what everyone else does you are not remembered. Would anyone remember the g1K Puck went 24's on? He did that crazy shit on a 14 (I have no fucking idea how...lol).

Make a road race bike, if you don't like it, lower it and drag race it



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ZX-16 in 2010
8.64 at 158 on motor
8.28 at 173 on nitrous

Back to stock for 2011.
9.24 @ 148
185 hp pump gas
New beast sitting in the garage. 07 ZX14.. Just a bare frame... for now.

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