I am looking at some aftermarket brake lines and so far I'm looking at Speigler or Galfer. They will be extremely close in price. Opinions?

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I'm also considering this mod. I'll be following your post to get your feedback

Well that's easy! First the functional... Spielger is dot and TUV certified. Galfer is for race application only. Spielger's fittings can be rotated for a perfect fit and you can tell their lines are tailored to the bike (just the exact amount of slack and on the ZX-14, they give you a manifold just like the OEM set up. I'm using an RCS19 and because it doesn't protrude like the OEM MC, I had to order a longer top line (master cylinder to manifold), Spielger told me my custom line would ship the next day, it would have shipped the same day if I had placed the order earlier this am. You can't beat that in my opinion. Last, their Gold Color match my Ohlins suspensions

I was spinning the tire on this pic and using low shutter speed... hence no spoke

* Last updated by: dragking on 3/25/2013 @ 1:10 PM *

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Ive used Galfer lines on my busa and Spiegler clutch line on my 14. SAME.

The Speigler has a sorta nice feature in that you can twist the fitting to the exact angle you want so that it easily sits flat against the surface without twisting the lines. Really no big deal. Any manufacturer will get the fittings very close to the precise angle required for an easy install and even if it isn't perfect, the bajo bolt will hold it perfectly flush when tightened.

Speiglers come with this contraption that you may use to turn the fitting a few degrees if needed. I use a vise grips to compress the collet holder instead of a vise as recommended by Speigler. Same dif.
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I think Galfer is a better choice because you can not only order the color anodizing you want, but you may specify a dif color for the bolt and the fitting. Galfer has a wider selection of colors for the sheathing too if I'm not mistaken. Galfer marks one end of their lines so there is no confusion about which end is best to go to the mastercylinder. I do not think it matters at all which end you use in terms of functionality, a line will work either way as long as the fitting will go on and are torqued. Still a nice touch to mark the MC end so you the fitting go on and rout as they were set to go for your model. One more thing, Galfer has nice printing on the side of their lines. I think it looks cool. IDT Speigler has as much if any. Galfer comes with a metal line rertainer for the front brake lines. I did not use it but nice if you need one. Galfer has an extra layer of sheathing where the lines cross the triple tree. If they rub, that is extra insurance...I got my busa lines to rout without touching anything as you can see in tutorial link below.

GALFER on my busa

Both brands appear identical in quality and materials but I prefer Galfer for styling options.

Really, I most recommend Goodridge Kevlar lines. They did not come in much of a color choice when I ordered mine but the bolts and lines are very light.

* Last updated by: Rook on 3/25/2013 @ 1:13 PM *

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beautiful brakes, drag! You are an artiste'

* Last updated by: Rook on 3/25/2013 @ 1:15 PM *

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I did not know Galfer had many different colors! I had Goodridge and SS lines are all equal when it comes to performance, however, I prefer Spielger because of the TUV certification. If I wanted to go extreme, I would have gone with Fren Tubo brake lines. Their colors are more vibrant and it's more exotic, The reliability speak for itself.

I think Galfer is a better choice because you can not only order the color anodizing you want, but you may specify a dif color for the bolt and the fitting. Galfer has a wider selection of colors for the sheathing too if I'm not mistaken.

You can do the same with Spielger and I think Spielger's got more colors but it doesn't matter as long as the brand you want has the color you want!

beautiful brakes, drag! You are an artiste'

Thanks Rook, the brake lines (gold Fittings) are the wife's idea. I'm too boring when it comes to color, I would have been contempt with black, Carbon fiber and silver/titanium as the only colors on the bike. I'm still thinking about purple haze rotor bolts and Gilles gold adjustments bolts but I doubt it will happen. I'm starting to think I have to much CF on the bike so beside the rotors and Ohlins FGRT 207 forks all the other mods will be internal (v stack, shiftstar, Auto CCT). And then I will be done and ready for the track bike.

BTW...the E on artist= nice touch! lol

* Last updated by: dragking on 3/25/2013 @ 1:36 PM *

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And this is why I love the ZX-14 FORUMS :-)

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BTW...the E on artist= nice touch! lol

Oui, mon frere! I also did my best to include an accent mark...but I see it is in the wrong place. ar`tiste.

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LOL Merci. You did good artiste doesn't have an accent

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Apparently i've got Spiegler lines on my bike (didn't actually know the brand, came with my LSL bar kit), i'm very happy with them and the fact that they are DOT approved to me would make the choice a no-brainer.

You did good artiste doesn't have an accent

Perhaps it would help to hear a native speaker. When the French word is spoken in America, it almost always has a very noticeable emphasis put on the second syllable. ar-TEEST

just noticed you had the front wheel spinning to make the spokes disappear. Very nice.

* Last updated by: Rook on 3/25/2013 @ 8:57 PM *

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just noticed you had the front wheel spinning to make the spokes disappear. Very nice.

@ZX14beast: your bike is begging for some black lines with red fittings and black banjo bolts

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I agree... not sure which kit to order...

Either way. SS lines are all created equal. As far as fitting goes, do a search online (bikeland etc) and everybody seems to be raving about Spielger. Just like they said they would, they sent me a custom line the following day and the fit is excellent. Also their lines seems to be stronger so you don't have to use the fender lines brackets when you make the switch.

Spielger V.S Competition
I made my mind based on that.

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If I go with the Spiegler lines, which setup should i opt for?
http://bluestreakracing.ca/brake-lines/spiegler/kawasaki/zx-14-front-line.html
http://bluestreakracing.ca/brake-lines/spiegler/kawasaki/zx-14-rear-clutch-line.html

FRONT LINE

Rear and Clutch Line

First link is for the lines that go to the front brakes. I would check with the supplier to make sure it is a two line setup (two lines off the front master cylinder to each of the front calipers) rather than the one line config such as the OEM setup (one line off the MC to the right caliper, then from right caliper, a loop over the fender to the left caliper). Two lines is better than one. I would not upgrade to a SS one line front brake system.

Second link must be two lines. One for the rear brake line and the other for the clutch line. That is a very low price for two lines. get it. The clutch system does not have nearly as much fluid pressure as the brakes so I don't see that anyone would benefit at all in terms of performance. It looks cool when you take the plastics off though. You catch a little peep of clutch line down at the clutch slave cylinder.

I would get both of those, Fronts and Rear + Clutch.

You might also want to ask about kevlar lines when you call. I see they have a blurb about Speigler making those as well as SS lines. Kevlar actually will amount to a significant weight loss. SS is a small weight loss compared to OEM.

* Last updated by: Rook on 4/3/2013 @ 2:16 PM *

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Rook, Do the stainless Goodridge lines have you blessings for my bike?
Thanks

If I go with the Spiegler lines, which setup should i opt for?
http://bluestreakracing.ca/brake-lines/spiegler/kawasaki/zx-14-front-line.html
http://bluestreakracing.ca/brake-lines/spiegler/kawasaki/zx-14-rear-clutch-line.html

If you're going for both looks and performance get both... Myself, I will never do the clutch unless it came free with a purchase. You won't see much of it and there is no performance gain that I know of. When you order also ask for the banjo bolt color you want and make sure you tell them how many you want. The one they usually send are gold. For the front brakes you need: a single at the master, a double at the right caliper, a single at the left caliper and 2 at the mount manifold.

First link is for the lines that go to the front brakes. I would check with the supplier to make sure it is a two line setup (two lines off the front master cylinder to each of the front calipers) rather than the one line config such as the OEM setup (one line off the MC to the right caliper, then from right caliper, a loop over the fender to the left caliper). Two lines is better than one. I would not upgrade to a SS one line front brake system.

I talked to Spielger and they say the OEM set up is the best for the 14! My Goodridge Kevlar lines had the two lines at the master cylinder setting and I didn't have any issue beside one of the line rubbing on the fender (lines are too flexible) but one line out of the master is the best setting according to Kawasaki and Spielger. I told them I thought 2 lines = more fluid so it should be better, their answer was that it is not that simple... the routing is more important. The ZX-14 is the heaviest and fastest Kawasaki bike, yet it has the best stopping power, I would stick with the OEM set up.

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Cool, thanks for the sharing of knowledge. I have a credit to use with my parts dist. and might just pull the trigger on these lines... well, them or a hyperpro damper... hmmm decisions decisions... or even a 4 to 1 ....

Rook, Do the stainless Goodridge lines have you blessings for my bike?
Thanks

I have only tried Speigler SS lines and Galfer SS lines. My Goodridge lines are kevlar and they work just fine and are very light. The Goodridge aluminum banjo bolts that came with the kevlar lines are also very light. I'm sure the Goodridge SS lines are very similar to Speigler or Galfer SS lines. I haven't noticed any dif in break power by switching to aftermarket lines and I never experienced brake fade with the 14. It would prolly require some pretty rigorous braking on a track to notice the dif for most riders. They are a cool appearance mod for a street bike, IMO.

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You know what Rook, I was just thinking about it... and they are right! You could put 2 even three lines at the master but the amount of brake fluid being moved at one time is determined by your master cylinder piston not the lines. My RCS 19 is stronger and move more fluid but even with that set up, the one line at the master should be sufficient.

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My RCS 19 is stronger and move more fluid but even with that set up, the one line at the master should be sufficient

LOL, I would say so. I don't really know what the advantage of either 1 or 2 line bakes are. I like the look of the two line and brake lines on a ZX-14 are as much about looks as anything. At least for me. .

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Yeah, I agree with you Rook.... they are about function 40% and the rest for looks. Question: Do the fairings have to be removed to install the lines? Probably would with the clutch I imagine.

I have HEL Performance SS Brake and Clutch lines.
Very happy.

Anyone have an opinion on the Aluminium Banjo / SS Line corrosion issue?
HEL make a big deal about it here.
Also have a view on Kevlar coverings on brake lines here.
Goodridge talk about the corrosion issue too...looking for a link

* Last updated by: oz14 on 4/19/2013 @ 4:26 AM *

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I heard Hel is pretty good as well

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