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Thread: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?

Created on: 06/21/10 08:09 PM

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casualfornow



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2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?
06/21/10 8:09 PM

Hi,

I sold my Concours 14 and took some of the $$$ and got a 2006 ZX14.

I like it a lot better! One of the coolest bikes I've owned.

Question: The bike came with an Arata Titanium Full exhaust with a PCIII USB.

(The Arata is very nice, nice quiet rumble in low RPM, Deep "rasp" under power.)

The gear indicator always says, "N" I don't think the exhaust and PC would do it.

Could it be some other add on? Such as a TRE or other timing device.

Not sure where to start looking.

Thank you!

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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?
06/21/10 8:37 PM

Such as a TRE


thats zackly what it is .. look around the clutch slave cylinder area for a black and white pill bottle with wires



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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?
06/22/10 5:27 AM

My TRE shows it is in 6th all the time



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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?
06/22/10 9:26 AM

kruz this your kind of thread.. explain away why 1 is showing N and another is 6 ..bawahaha


ohhhhh you guys make me laugh


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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?
06/22/10 10:02 AM

First you need a dash pod to read a letter. Tell'em, Kruz.

ohhhhhh use guys make me laugh



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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?
06/22/10 10:05 AM

... was it an upgrade?

Upgrade? UPGRADE!? Tell'em, Bad!



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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?
06/22/10 11:43 AM

Poor casualfornow---his first post and nobody will just tell him what he wants to know. i've been holding off because I don't have a TRE. Maybe someone who knows will varify this. Cas, there is a TRE06 and there is a TRE08. I can't remember which does what but one locks mapping to N and the other locks mapping to 6. 'Parently you have the one which locks into N. I believe that was the TRE designed to eliminate the decel pop we get with aftermarket pipes at 3500 rpm.


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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?
06/22/10 12:20 PM

Learning Curve Lane... Ate year service...

Tell'em, Burger Buns!



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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?
06/22/10 12:53 PM

Poor casualfornow---his first post and nobody will just tell him what he wants to know. i've been holding off because I don't have a TRE. Maybe someone who knows will varify this. Cas, there is a TRE06 and there is a TRE08. I can't remember which does what but one locks mapping to N and the other locks mapping to 6. 'Parently you have the one which locks into N. I believe that was the TRE designed to eliminate the decel pop we get with aftermarket pipes at 3500 rpm.


EXCELLENT JOB EXPLAINING the TRE'S ROOK.


Kruz be proud of you . Now let's see if you learnt anything about JEFFO Mapping



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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?
06/22/10 1:19 PM

They're STILL trying to figure it out BAD!!!! (the maps)

BTW....SHWEET DRAG BIKE BRO!


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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?
06/22/10 1:28 PM

Must be something I don't know about TREs. there was some differing opinions on TRE mods. I'm sure you will get a straight answer sooner or later, casual.

Welcome aboard.


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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?
06/22/10 2:17 PM

Fucking funny shit! WATThe fuck is up wit yo she and that shit ass wire mod?

That one EXCVA wire; runs from the ECU down to the plug connector of the actuator... With the cables an shit. B/Br now changes to W at the actuator connector side. B/Br is the main wire harness side up to that ECU prong. If you unplugged the EX actuator, you could have done nothing with all the damage to the harness mod or a weather-pac connector reading all those websites an shit. Because, that other website's funny photo with [tee-he-he], snip this wire and no one will see that sad ass duct tape on the wire mod, someone warranty my un-tampered bike and it's default code I touched nothing! GREAT DEPENDABILITY, you chasing points an shit; The bike conks out, limps a code, you just had to cut the wire's integrity; Not unplug it, not even yo she sees the hindsight still in limp = c46 < TOO FUCKING FUNNY!

It's so complex, it is then way too easy in the 20/20 you do not have the fundamentals down yet. Snot even yo sheezeIS????

Once again, so you can watch me chew my cabbage twice is just one word follows the other. I am locked OUT of the loop. I can't get IN. I touch a wire; it goes shebang, shebangs limp dick. Bang on yo she; that lot has got lots to learn is the best can be beaten. I keep saying that shit, as I read it in print I can take that trophy home they run that wire hack attack as per instructions:

5-wires off the EXCVA. And for argument sake, CV = Continuous Variable, A for actuator, EX for exhaust:
1. (+) = I am hot to turn the little electric motor.
2. (-) = Because I am the abstract in the loop, I can make up any shit I want is watt matters in the practical event about to happen before your eyes. Oh, fuckQ I am my own ground. That motor is loop'dare, all 5 of us, but we have many grounds. There is a certain ground, from frame to a tail light bulb ground. Then, there is a sensor loop ground. Both are found inside the ECU pins and then 2 different grounds inside the wire harness.
3. R = Rheostat or a red wire, WATThe fuck is the difference I tell you that motor is told to OPEN so says the red wire calls the ball in dis abstract, dis concept, dis ear take it or leave it.
4. Y = Yeah right, I am the yellow wire and I CLOSE that actuator on the rheostat loop once I .... Once I... I can't seem to find the loop? Have yo she or she see the red wire say you seen a ground around, red wire?
5. B/Br = WATThe fuck you asking red wire for if yo she pulled me out of the main harness! I've got you both covered is no one touch the flapper door, I have full control. Oh no, did yo she pull your short hairs out the harness too? I can close the... Wait, I can't do shit now; yo she shit'inn fools pulled my short hairs!

B/Br U kidding me? PULLED GROUND to flash the dash? Broke the loop like big time?

Yo she sure did! Welcome to c46!


Welcome wire committee here is gettem while they're hot!



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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?
06/22/10 6:22 PM

Snot even yo sheezeIS????

the mad scientist has broken out of the nutz farm



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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?
06/22/10 11:37 PM


EXCELLENT JOB EXPLAINING the TRE'S ROOK.

Kruz be proud of you . Now let's see if you learnt anything about JEFFO Mapping

I'm pretty sure 1bad is saying in not so many words that IHO, TREs don't do anything.

This is a really old topic from 08. Haven't heard much about it since then. My understanding is that different gears have their own mapping but that the bike will function on the N map or the 6 map in any and all gears. The N map TRE was for flies out the 6 map TRE was for decel pop. I would register at Bikeland. Lots of those guys will be able to explain TREs. Perhaps they will confirm the sentiment that TREs are useless.



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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in &quot;N&quot;, was it an upgrade?
06/23/10 4:12 AM

WTF? Casualfornow, the boys get excited with one another occasionaly, as you can see, but they mean well.
Does your bike 'pop' in 6th when de celerating at about 3500rpm? We have the same exhaust system and mine does, very loudly. Sounds cool, though. Gives the daydreamers a wake-up when I pass them slowing down. A question: what does a TRE do? Eliminate the top speed restrictor? Why have one if one never does top speed? No clever comments now, boys. Just asking, is all. Some guys in SA seem to be under the impression that a Power Commander deristricts the bike. Is this so?
I wouldn't think so, but maybe it does.


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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in &quot;N&quot;, was it an upgrade?
06/23/10 6:14 AM

there's no derestrictor's of top speed except whats called a speedo healer . it does'nt derestrict but makes the speedo read less mph .. PC3USB don't do shitt but work fuel values ..but most effective way to derestrict is to grind 1 if the nut edges of the sprocket nut 4 reading edges


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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?
06/23/10 6:53 AM

bad muzzy does make a delimiter here it is



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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?
06/23/10 8:36 AM

WTF? Casualfornow, the boys get excited with one another occasionaly, as you can see, but they mean well.
WATT he means is, Casual, someone can jam the signal 3 ways. The occasional tre story is how one learns basic computer bike theory.

Does your bike 'pop' in 6th when de celerating at about 3500rpm?
See, I've already proved a basic theory of cold air meets hot sonic air and when those two meet, the 'thunder/pop/newman' was never eliminated, me having a camera set over the exhaust pipes, heard the pop with any kind of tre set in N. You just do not hear it through your helmet so much, but it is still there.

A question: what does a TRE do? Eliminate the top speed restrictor? Why have one if one never does top speed? No clever comments now, boys. Just asking, is all.
Yes, the tre is tied into the gear position sensor. Cutting that nub off is an, 'input' signal. Wire into the GPS is an input signal = A no-no! That is just as easy as if you removed the connector, saved the part from damage, replug-in the speed sensor connectors, you crated the same effect, 2 of 3 ways.

The speed sensor is that tiny crank spin off the sprocket. So, the 3 amigos that 186 the limit, are the GPS ~ Crank sensor ~ TPS (throttle position sensor). You no longer need the GPS, TPS, speed sensor. Crank sensor is all you need to run the engine. No other parts are needed, you are now free to run 13,000 rpm if you can keep it together, Bonnieville, here I come. Did you remove or tamper with an input signal and code the dash? Yes you did.

Some guys in SA seem to be under the impression that a Power Commander de-ristricts the bike. Is this so?
I wouldn't think so, but maybe it does.
De-restricts is an input-signal. No, you were right. For example, the Power Commander is wired into an output-signal. No harm, no foul. The fuel injectors are not part of the limiter loop in a sense. The crank sensor speed, a fuel pump, and a spark stick, are the 3 loop restrictors. 4th variable is the speed signal input into the rpm limit. When this limit is breached, the spark drops from a cylinder(s), the fuel pump is pressured less, and there is where the PC is powerless to do anything but capture the duty cycle, change the pulse width in a loophole.

Duty cycle is what crank degree the current turns the injector on. Pulse width is the time in degrees the fuel remains in spray of degreed width. Duty cycle is turned off, PC is in the middle of that pulse width on the, push the pintle up higher for more fuel within that time I have no control over. Change timing, you change duty cycle to a different crank degree of open/close my pintle hang.
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The Muzzy box 'feature' says, "Speed de-limiter easily turned on or off"

Explain the wire tie-in, we can see a wire is going to be shut down or turned off. The key is when they say, "we take the 'output signal' send it in the box. We can wire up an intake signal and shut it off which will set a code like a tre. Any wire tied to output is why it works on the output side with the limiter reading the corrected speed. But if you tre to the input wire, use a switch, and with a flip of a toggle to knock the input out of commission is to remove one of 3 variables and the restrictor is rendered useless = 3wV.



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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in &quot;N&quot;, was it an upgrade?
06/23/10 8:58 AM

bad muzzy does make a delimiter here it is


my bad

cool.. i can spend 159.00+ shipping or grind a nut for free ..which 1 i'm going to pick .. grind the nut and spend the 160.00 on stripper's


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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?
06/23/10 10:40 AM

Thanks Gentleman,

Nice forum with your own eccentric.

Michael

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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?
06/23/10 5:38 PM

The gear indicator always says, "N"

= TRE 006A, which = N lock, No Fuel cut and No back fire EVER. Display on Dash Reads N

= TRE 008, Which = 6TH Gear Lock. 6TH Gear Mapping. Display on Dash Reads 6.

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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?
06/23/10 7:19 PM

I knewwe'd get a straight answer one of theses days



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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?
06/23/10 9:58 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZq_MyFcqt4

The straight answer is in a video. Listen, tell no one.

... and No back fire EVER.

I knewwe'd get a straight answer one of theses days

"No WON listens to Turtle." How am I my doing, Monster? You can hear that fart, newspaper wise timed in, right? Long and slow... No backfire ever? You sure? I'm taking bets I'll take eyevan's abstract, yo shes abstract, bazzaz's abstract, Muzzy abstract, and now, Roman Pull Lance Key is a PissPooPopin Pop Pour Wee-Knee got his ass covered too!



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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?
06/24/10 12:50 AM

Bad, strippers are the best bet!!! Who wants to go fast anyway? Although, with strippers, you can get into a bit of shit faster than on a ZX14!!! Nice one. Cheers.



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RE: 2006 ZX14: Gear Indicator stays in "N", was it an upgrade?
06/24/10 3:49 AM

"No WON listens to Turtle."


Lol, I always listen.

No backfire ever? You sure? I'm taking bets I'll take eyevan's abstract,


How much we betting, Romans All In.


Roman Pull Lance Key is a PissPooPopin Pop Pour Wee-Knee got his ass covered too!


My resistor better than your resistor, Hub say it isn't so ?

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