Would going up 1 tooth on the rear do much?

IMO, you would notice very little change. I have +4 on the rear with 17 front. It's very manageable. When you are on the gas, that's when you feel the pull but it still is not like the bike wheelies like a 600. Imagine running at about 500 rpm higher and that's what it feels like...like you downshifted one gear. So why not just downshift? Yeah. Been a while since I had stock gearing so I might be under-appreciating the +4 rear on the 14 but the busa kinda week now compared to the 14.

If you're going to do it, I'd suggest 17/45. Anything less and you might wonder why you bothered. 17/45 won't get you in trouble with a little common sense. The bike is NOT going to flip.

* Last updated by: Rook on 8/24/2014 @ 2:23 PM *

I don't want a wheelie machine, just more acceleration.

A 45T is not going to make you prone to wheelie on level pavement unless you are slipping the clutch in 1st gear or going WOT in first up to high rpm. You know, doing stuff like you are trying to wheelie. The 14 isn't a good bike for wheelies. It's good for accelleration. Go with the 45T. I thought it was going to kill me, too but b not at all. it's quite safe IMO. you still have to be careful with stock gearing in certain situations so if you can handle that, you can handle 45T. Good low end from idle, better acceleration throughout the range. can't do as fast on top. You'll still hit 170 mph.

It's the acceleration that's fun, 170 is plenty for the top end.

I may be wrong, but I think changing sprocket size affects your odometer.

Correcto!

isn't the speedometer operated from the front wheel rotation?

If you want to play with gearing changes then go to "gearing commander." Transmission ratios are already preloaded for the ZX, you can change sprocket and tire sizes to see how it will affect "speed in gear."

Thanks, I think changing the gearing is the best way to get what I want out of the bike.

And pull the flies? or have them flashed to open sooner.

No, hack the gps. This way you have the fly open faster and the lower grunt hit if 170 is fast enough for Sil. You get both for 1 hit. Now, are you savvy with a few wires and solder or would you rather pay to have it connected for more money?

And Sil, there is no turning back. You either commit or find a slower bike to build back up trying to beat a stock 14: you are still in the same boat. It gets worse. You won't be able to hack the next bike [with the same move] like you can with the one you have.

And Sil, there is no crying in baseball. The no turning back is to see that gear window stuck with a number or letter, either 6 or N meaning. So you get no sympathy about you modding a bike to go faster, start more crying about missing that window all of a sudden your lounge chair looks pretty good stock.

You just need to take stock in a new set of balls. That and a throttle sync. Where are we with that? And no offense, but if I knew [and others knew] that a honda/rr would be the faster bike period, you think I'd be here sitting on a 14?

* Last updated by: Hub on 9/25/2014 @ 12:56 AM *

I believe the speedo and the ODO are read off the countershsft sprocket, correct? So any changes in sprockets will throw off both your speedo and ODO. Therefore Speedohealer.

Mad

I went up 1 tooth on the front to an 18. I have a very accurate GPS and it shows the speedometer to be off 2 mph. The speedo consistently reads 2 fast (70=68 mph true) I checked every 10 mph from 30 to 90 and it stayed 2 mph off at each speed.

Hub: U.S.M.C. 1980-1986 - There is nothing wrong with my balls.

I have figured out what category the ZX-14 belongs in... it is like the "Harley-Davidson of Sportbikes"
It is a big comfortable bike with a little extra horsepower that doesn't do anything very well.
If it weighed about 150 pounds less Kawasaki would have something, but it's a porker.
Oh well... live & learn.

* Last updated by: Silverback61 on 9/25/2014 @ 3:48 PM *

Sil, thanks for your service. We must be talking about two different nuts. 14 is nowhere close to a harley. The bike is big because it has a large engine capacity. It has more HP than any other 4 cylinder production bike. It was built to beat any bike it comes up against. OK, I now question your ball sack. 170 and that's all you've got, do not tell me the bike cannot stretch that scrotum in the 200's.

I'd like to see the kid's bike hit 200 with all that mod there. It's going to come up short, how much you wanna bet? I don't think a harley would handle 200mph, nor stop as quick. Any other bike you get on will be slower. Don't give me that 30second run with the kid's bike and now you shut it off it's faster my ass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_motorcycles_by_acceleration Your kid's bike is worth 10 seconds and you are well under that.

* Last updated by: Hub on 9/25/2014 @ 4:29 PM *

Sure my 14 has a higher top speed, but his modded Honda is quicker in the fun zone, which is 0-120.
It's just not feasible where I live to be running around at 186 all the time.

* Last updated by: Silverback61 on 9/25/2014 @ 5:33 PM *

I think you are missing being the follower. You become much faster than the leader trying to catch up with one of these. Low grunt and I'm in taller gears using the torque letting them get away so I can reel them in. WOT am I missing?

I was coming downhill and a duc was right on my ass. But when I took off out of the corner, he was a dot in my mirror. Then, I hear someone who owns a duc and a 14 that says, his duc cannot come out of the corner like the 14 and I guess the bike is doing all the work where's the newspaper, It's lounge chair time.

Silver, I've been pulling your chain all this time it's not going to happen. It's power to weight ratio and you were right. Step down to a zx-10, where honda has a chance to see who is now the fastest. This bike is more penned as a sport tourer slash weekend warrior at the drag strip. It comes without bags, has a little bit more balls in the torque dept than its little brother called plain old sport touring bike. Remove the bags and you still fight the rear gear drive and more lost torque the engine is preset at.

Hey, pretty stupid to have a low torqued engine with passenger and luggage. Like you said, I stripped this motherfocker for the torque, not the barge you're trying beat those power to ratios with.

First rules of fixit if the she [mother tea] doesn't. Shit, Sil, if we built a bike together the way we want it, we wouldn't be here crying about it. And guess WOT?

I think someone's throttle valves are failing to open fully.

Sure my 14 has a higher top speed, but his modded Honda is quicker in the fun zone, which is 0-120.
It's just not feasible where I live to be running around at 186 all the time.

It's one thing to complain. But you have no right to complain if you cannot offer a solution, because that's just bitching.

You keep babbling about this shit. Ok, everyone, let's make sure we understand what Silver is saying, because it's important to understand him.

He's saying it's NOT FEASIBLE to run around at 186 mph all the time. Now, apparently if he could do this and be faster than his son's Honda this would make him happy. But I agree, this isn't really possible to continuously run around at 186 mph. Sounds fair to me, everyone else?

Ok, now lets look at the flip side to this. He IS SAYING that [b]IT IS FEASIBLE FOR HIM to be constantly racing his son ("all the time") from 0-120. Since he does this constantly, or "all the time" as he put it, and is losing to his son he can't be happy. He's saying the only way he can enjoy the bike (or maybe anything?) is he's continuously outrunning his son's Honda from 0-120.

If you think about it, this is really what this guy is saying. Unfortunately, knowing his personality type, even if this problem was solved he'd just fine something else to bitch about.

Every bike has its own strengths and weaknesses. Used to race an H2R, lots of bikes were faster in the corners, out of the corner my H2 ran off from them, my overall lap times were faster!!! On short tracks with tight turns and almost no straights I was at a HUGE disadvantage, the H2 had a hinge in the middle, wiggled like jello, and would throw your ass off in a heartbeat.

The ZX has a lot of strengths, hp and torque, will pin your eyeballs against the back of your skull, fairly good handling considering it's size and weight, decent brakes, smooth, and fairly comfortable for a crotch rocket. Down side is its a BIG bike and it ain't light. To build this particular bike big K had to make compromises, but overall the ZX is one of the all time great bikes!

Maybe the Honda is faster, maybe not, rider skills make a big difference. Where are you getting outrun, straights, corners, or in the parking lot, and by how much? If you swapped bikes for a day would he still outrun you? Waaaay to much emphasis on who is faster when you should focus on enjoying the ride, in the end that's what it's all about!!! IMHO

Fuck this shit is STUPID....and so is deadback.. Put tha zx14 in gear 1st 0r 2nd gear and pin that bitch...nothing will keep up with you by the time you hit 4th gear... nuff said.... I also have a 06 ZX10 with cams , head work , lower geaing , and carbon fiber parts...weight around 350 lbs with fuel..... Its so much faster than your sons CBR...and i still get my ass handed to me if theres enough road by zx14's and busa's...well anything longer than a 1/4 mile...under that i'mm goneAsk me how i know????? I do it daily...

* Last updated by: Blkcasper on 9/26/2014 @ 6:18 PM *

Blkcasper, You can have an AMEN on that!
This is my 3rd ZX and only on a couple of occassions have I EVER come up against anything that will hang. Like you said, after 4th it's all over, the ZX just NEVER quits pullin'!!!

Amen Brother!! She is mighty quick for a big girl.

My sons and I had a great ride today. We rode some of our favorite twisty roads. I rode my oldest son's 2012 ZX-10 and I have to say I really like the ZX-10 a lot. I rode it through 25 miles of curves and hills and it is a sweet ride.
We swapped bikes because his lower back was bothering him and the ZX-14 was more comfortable for him.
I can see myself trading the ZX-14 for a new ZX10.

* Last updated by: Silverback61 on 9/27/2014 @ 7:53 PM *