just wondering if anyone has tried this on thier bike, and if it works good? sounds like a cool product if it works as advertised

http://www.schnitzracingstore.com/catalogs/catalog.asp?prodid=5138251&showprevnext=1

I have been looking at this product on the Muzzy's web site and wondering the same thing.

Ten bucks cheaper if you get it directly from Muzzy's.....

Paul

This looks very interesting...

If nobody has experience with it, I may go ahead and get one and report my results, although I can't promise to test the speed delimiter part. I don't generally feel a need to go that fast. -bg

sounds like something i will put on my christmas list...lol

I saw that a while back-$159.00.My speedohealer does the same thing-$105.00(V4).PLUS, it has a top speed memory.At the push of a little button(ziptied to an out of the way place),you will get your highest attained speed during that running cycle.Can be adjusted(to de-restrict)by entering the appropriate percentage(they recommend 99%).You will however with that setting LOSE your "correct" indicated speed.Don't know if Schnitz figured that part out yet-if so,it may be worth it.You will always get your "correct"speed by entering the right percentages again however.............Gordon-YOU MUST try the derestrictor!Why else would you get oneLOL!!!!!

* Last updated by: blue07 on 10/19/2009 @ 9:49 AM *

thats the nice thing bout this blue from what i read you can disable the limiter and keep the true speed factor(set it and forget it) but im with bg dont know that i have enough road or balls to push it that far to see if it truly disables the speed limiter.. that could be a 1 way trip to the jailhouse...lol heres the muzzy site and as laverda mentioned it is $10 cheaper

http://www.muzzys.com/ZX14/ZX14_Bonneville_Pro/index.html

If you get the speedo healer extension it bypasses the limiter and can go so fast lol

So if I'm understanding correctly, looking at this Bonneville, you can adjust the limiter from 130-170 or turn off the limiter. If that is correct, why would you make the limiter lower?

This is one of those products that I often wonder if there's more than 1 unit sold per owners forum...

I guess nobody has made that mistake yet here.

* Last updated by: masszx14 on 10/19/2009 @ 11:02 PM *

MATTZ14 wrote

So if I'm understanding correctly, looking at this Bonneville, you can adjust the limiter from 130-170 or turn off the limiter. If that is correct, why would you make the limiter lower?

I once heard there were a couple owners who didn't want to go very fast.

This from the Muzzy web site. "Speedometer will show true re-calibrated speed even with the speed de-limiter on" so that answers that question.

Don't get a Speedohealer V4... it's too good for some bikes!

as I am understanding the unit, the signal intended for the speedo goes in, and TWO signals come out.

from the split signal, one is adjustable and goes to the speedo, so you can correct the speedo's reading.

from the split signal, the other signal goes to the ECU, but that signal is manipulated and "capped" so that the ECU then doesn't know the bike is exceeding the 186 mph it is otherwise limited to.

if it works as described, it is quite clever, fools the ECU AND gives you an accurate speedo reading and allows your gear indicator to continue to operate normally.

as my bike is Canadian spec with a speedo in kilometers per hour, I need to know if it will work on my bike, as I am planning to run at Bonneville summer of 2010 to see if I can break 200 mph

Paul

I have the speedohealer V4, the only problem with it is that you keep trying to break your old record on the high speed recall. I have never tested the de-limiter.

ok, so I called Muzzy's, fellow says that the Bonneville Pro will supposedly work on a Canadian spec bike reading in kph, and he e mailed me the instruction sheet.

looks like if you set the speed limiter dial on the Muzzy;s unit to say 170 mph, that is the max speed it will tell your ECU you are going even when you exceed that speed.

I haven't yet wrapped my mind around how this mph unit could work on my Canadian kph ZX 14......

this isn't just academic interest. I will be running a modified 1984 Laverda RGS on the salt at Bonneville next summer at the BUB Motorcycle Speed Trials August 28 - September 2, 2010, and it is just as easy to throw two bikes on the trailer to haul down to Utah from western Canada as one bike.......so I figure I would try and break 200 mph on the salt with the 08 ZX 14 in close to stock form, no major modifications other than a speed de-limiter of some kind, exhaust, fuel injection tuning, and the small things that need to be done to make the bike comply with the rules, minor stuff.

I am shooting for 170 mph from the Laverda RGS, larger flat slide carbs (Mikuni RS 36) on custom inlets, head porting, higher compression and larger displacement (80.4 mm custom J & E pistons in larger cylinder liners, up from 75 mm), pistons, custom made and highly polished Carillo rods, combustion chambers and piston tops and exhaust tracts ceramic coated, custom built exhaust headers, custom electronic ignition, revised gearing and wider and lighter Astralite wheels, modified suspension and brakes, etc., etc. Stock was roughly 65 hp at the rear wheel, the old Laverda triple is now pushing nearly 100 hp at the rear wheel, and dyno development continues.....

so, what do I need to do to cause the ZX 14 to break 200 mph?????

Paul

* Last updated by: laverda1200 on 11/5/2009 @ 9:27 AM *

Have a look at the last couple posts in the "Is this dude full of sh!t?" thread posted recently in General. (sorry, can't post a link with this computer) According to Brock, you need to make 200 hp and have a very light rider.

He claimed his bike had only basic mods but everyone seems to suspect he had some tricks up his sleave.

Rook, went and lookeda t the thread you mentioned.

bone stock my 08 ZX 14 did almost exactly 160 hp at the rear wheel on a DynoJet dyno. All I have changed now so far is air filter (K & N), added a Power Commander V and an autotuner, Yosh R 77 duals, cut out the cat from the stock header, and ceramic coated the header. I wouldn't expect to have picked up more than maybe 5 to maybe max 10 hp to the rear wheel if I am lucky and if my fuel injection mapping is good, but I haven't had time to get back to the dyno yet.

so if I am lucky I maybe get the bike up to 170 rear wheel hp, say, without opening the engine. I weigh about 220 pounds without gear, so maybe 250 pounds or more fully kitted up. Then the salt is a lot different surface to run on than baby bottom smooth asphalt. So looks like 200 mph on a close to stock ZX 14 may be a pipe dream for me.....

looking at what a ZX 14 has actually run on the salt, I found what looks like the AMA "National Record" for a ZX 14 from 2008 in Division A, Type 1, Class 12, the ZX 14 ran actual 173.991/173.852 on the three mile course.

Maybe I don't need a de-limiter at all if the ZX 14 isn't even going to reach its limiter on the salt...... As 170 mph is my present target for my modified Laverda RGS air cooled triple, maybe my targets of 170 mph for the Laverda and 200 mph for a close to stock 08 ZX 14 on the salt are completely unrealistic. Only one way to find out, and have some fun finding out!

Bike speedos are not typically accurate, most are wildly optimistic, I am thinking that a lot of the really high speed claims being bandied about on the internet may actually be inaccurate speeo readings together with somewhat skewed views of the speedo through a red haze and some exageration. Show me the timing slips!

Paul

In SA we have KM/H speedos, and I have run my 06 to just short of 310 km/h indicated and the bike does not really pick up much speed from there, never mind the fact that you are moving at one helluva speed. It is also not comfortable as the buffeting of the wind behind the double bubble is quite bad. You would need quite a long run to hit the limiter in 6th gear cause I aint hit it yet. My 07 is not as eager to run past 300 indicated. Gets there, but not so easily. Believe me, that is scary fast and the bar guys who throw 300 around are full of sh#t. We have plenty of them here. My dyno results are posted on the site, but I am not so sure of the accuracy.

200 mph seems quite possible,200 hp is the magic number.light rider .proper gearing.I dont know if the 200 has to be RWHP or crank HP.As per Kawasaki the 14 factoring in ram air is 200 hp bike.It seems to me that the 14's with a good full system and map are making low to mid 180's corrected hp on average,I think 200 could be done with some serious tuning,camshaft timing,longer intake,short meg,race fuel.....Hubs help.Maybe slowninja could pull it off(without nos)and by changing his gearing.Oh yah I for got to mention big balls

Shane did 218 mph on a stock motor 07 zx14 @ Loring ME this past season.
Strong tail wind and close to $20K in mods will get you there.
He ran 240 mph on a turbo gen1 Busa that same day.

Mass,20k in mods and a stock mtr?What were the mods?I'm thinking 2k in mods after exhaust and PC, do it yourself labour and breaking 325 KPH.I believe with all the knowledge available from members on this site,Brock Davidson,Lang Hindle and the Hubster it can be done on a shoestring budget

Bike speedos are not typically accurate, most are wildly optimistic

+7% is what I have always heard for the 14. A 120/55 tire seems to correct it to pretty nearly dead on accurate. I haven't felt my bike ever stop pulling. I've always given up before it did.

Rook,I did 281kph as per GPS on the Radisson hwy in northern Quebec,I had never been on this road before,at 281 full tuck the wind was catching my knapsack and pulling me up.The bike was still pulling but I backed off.I wanted to try again on the way home but a 15 degree C temp drop and rain changed my mind,Radisson is as far north you can drive in eastern Canada 3\4 up James Bay

well, I want to see what my lightly modified, basically stock, 08 ZX 14 will run for top speed on the salt, and I am going to be at Bonneville anyways with my old Laverda triple, so why not?.

The best documented speed on the salt I found so far for a Zx 14 is an AMA National Record held by a 2008 ZX 14 running in Division A, Type 1, Class 12, with back to back runs of 173.991/173.852. A far cry from 200 mph.

I have done a bit of road racing over the years, run at local tracks in western Canada, Willow Springs north of Los Angeles, Mid Ohio, etc, but running wide open for a timed mile on the salt looks like a whole different kettle of fish to me. While I have never run on the salt in timed trials, I have ridden various bikes physically off road ON the salt whenever I have passed through Utah over the years, blindingly bright, hotter than is comfortable, and sort of a roughish squirmy surface, nothing like smooth pavement, and I expect a big learning curve. There does seem to be justification for the requirement that you do initial proving runs at restricted speeds to prove you can handle the salt, before you are turned loose to attempt full power runs, for example.....

om my next trip to the dyno with the ZX 14, I am going to talk to the dyno operator about holding the bike wide open in top gear and see what the bike will actually pull for top speed on the dyno. I know that ignores drag, and ram air effect, but it should give at least a basic initial indication of what may be possible.

Paul

Mass,20k in mods and a stock mtr?What were the mods?

He's got a 50 page build thread on Bikeland that includes his racing results.

I'm shocked that you consider this forum as a well of knowledge,
I assume you're not on any of the other zx14 owners sites.