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Thread: Which engine for an '07 transplant???

Created on: 05/27/12 02:29 PM

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snat426


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Which engine for an '07 transplant???
05/27/12 2:29 PM

Gentlemen,

It's been awhile since I’ve been on two wheels. Back in ’07 when my frame cracked, without explanation until the recall in ’08, my insurance bought me a new ‘07. Then in ’08 the dealer rebuilt the engine after a valve went rogue. 3,000 miles later in the early spring of ’09 the engine threw a rod. With two major defects on two new bikes, I won’t say that the dealer’s rebuild after the rouge valve caused the thrown rod, but I am suspicious. After the thrown rod in ’09 I put her in the garage, connected the trickle charger and covered her with the cape. She’s been that way since.

Recently, late in the midnight hours, bikes have been calling me from the expressway with those all to familiar exhaust notes. So I’m ready to give her a heart transplant and saddle up again.

As I’ve been away for a while, I have a couple of questions. I believe there were changes to the engine in ’08. Are the throttle bodies larger? Changes to the ECU? I’m not going back to the ’07 engine. Which model year engine, ’08 – ‘11, should I go with? Why?

Thanks in advance.


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RE: Which engine for an '07 transplant???
05/27/12 3:19 PM

Any year from 08-11.Stay away from 06-07 and remember the exhaust is different.08 and up is different.
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RE: Which engine for an '07 transplant???
05/27/12 4:15 PM

I'm thinking if you go with 08 + you'll need the ecu and don't forget they upgraded the fuel pump also 08 and above



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RE: Which engine for an '07 transplant???
05/27/12 9:17 PM

Thanks Craig & Scott. Tuesday, I'll call Brock's for info on a new set of headers and I've added a new fuel pump to my cart. I don't know which of the '08 - '11 engines I'll end up getting but fortunately they all use the same fuel pump.

@ Scott: I'm hoping that the engine will come with its ECU. If not, I was wondering if I could get my 2007 ECU reflashed to the model year of the replacement engine's specs?



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RE: Which engine for an '07 transplant???
05/27/12 10:16 PM

Hey, snat. the 08-11 has a different piston dome from 06-07. Same T boddies.



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RE: Which engine for an '07 transplant???
05/27/12 10:53 PM

Hey Rook. Are you still in or near the Chicagoland area? If so, maybe we can check out Galena near the end of June if not sooner. I should've done my research on the throttle bodies before I posted. According to an OEM parts finder, the '07 THROTTLE-ASSY,44EIDW part # is 16163-0105 while the '08 - '11s THROTTLE-ASSY,44EIDW part # is 16163-0108. Are the T-bodies bigger on the '08 - '11's ?


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RE: Which engine for an '07 transplant???
05/28/12 6:57 AM

throttle bodies are same size but totally re-designed. from what I've seen throttle bodies usually come with the motors

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Fuel Injection: DFI® with 44mm Mikuni throttle bodies (4)
Ignition: TCBI with Digital Advance
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Seat height: 31.5 in.
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RE: Which engine for an '07 transplant???
05/28/12 7:41 AM

I know the injectors are dif. The 08-11 has more holes and smaller for finer spray and also spray angle was changed somewhat.

Are you still in or near the Chicagoland area?

Same forking place only a little crappier now that I'm divorced. LOL

maybe we can check out Galena near the end of June if not sooner.

Always up for a ride. The trip to the Iowa is among the coolest I have of my riding memories. Let me know what's going on in Galena and when. I'm always here, bro.


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RE: Which engine for an '07 transplant???
05/28/12 6:37 PM

From 2006 to 2011, swap 'any engine assembly.' Use your throttle body and ECU.

Remember: 440cc's are the early first gen. From 2008, both injectors turned to 330cc and so did the tweak of the ECU. What happens if you run 440's in with a 330 ECU? Nothing. Poor gas mileage and excess carbon buildup being too rich.

Remember: Can't swap a crank and outer clutch basket between firs gen and final gens. The gear drive off the crank to the clutch basket is conical in gears like the rear end of a car's ring gear. The later setup is straight cut gears.

Other than that, swap parts all you want, you can build a basket case engine with most any year. Jut remember the 'remembers.'



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RE: Which engine for an '07 transplant???
05/30/12 6:37 AM

I put an 09' motor in my 07'. Used the 07' throttle bodies, ECU and my 07' exhaust from the headers back. I have had no fueling issues at all.



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RE: Which engine for an '07 transplant???
06/03/12 11:49 PM

Thanks for the post Scott. It appears that there were considerable improvements to the 2008 model year. A better, stronger engine is a lot more assuring after two major engine failures. I’ve been looking for an ’08 or later engine in good shape on ebay and Craigslist but to no avail just yet.

Rook, good to hear back from you. Chicago to Galena is a nice, scenic, 3 hour trip. Looking forward to the first road trip back on two wheels.

Hub… Thanks. I think…

Heathun, I’m hoping that the engine I get comes with its ECU. If it doesn’t, I’ll use mine and get it reflashed to ’08 specs or later. Thanks for the 411.



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