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Created on: 05/13/14 11:42 AM

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shorty
05/13/14 11:42 AM

Here is my old/new bike which is an 08. I wanted to buy the '12 model, but things didnt work out, so I decided to convert my bike into a streetfighter. Having the bike for the past 3 years was great and every year saw improvements. Guess I suffer from 'bike anorexia' like many and take every opportunity to lighten things up. Started with battery, next the wheels, then the front brake caliper. Had the single caliper for the past year and it suits me just fine. A bit more pressure, but she stops on a dime. As you can see removed the subframe and made my own. Cut the seat in half ,wrapped the vinyl and stappled on the back. I think I'll modify the seat further by removing some foam from the back to make it more comfortable for the nuts. All lighting are LED. Dont know the current weight, but the front fairing was pretty heavy. I substituted with aluminum and some left over plastics. The pipe was a muzzy which I cut down a bit and fit a SS cup along with aluminum tips to deflect the gasses more downward. Had been out about a week and it feels more agile.


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RE: shorty
05/13/14 1:11 PM

Fuk dude, I am digging this bike. Very cool touches, I think it turned out awesome!
I've always wanted to turn a 14 naked, just never had the stones to actually start the project.
Nicely done. Now just put on a turbo and be like ghost rider - kawi edition

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RE: shorty
05/13/14 2:09 PM

Thanks,
I would love to have a turbo, just think this is more than enough power for me. I rarely get it past triple digits and the ram air rubber pipes I cut at an angle seem to scoop in the air. Above the front fender I added a 'U' shaped aluminum bracket to allow for air to be channeled toward the ram air. Have a medium screen behind the ram air tubes and added fine filter screen over the tops of the throttle bodies. A while back, when I had the stock filter, removing the metal screen from the backing made a noticeable improvement, this has better breathing. I'm contemplating making a more aerodynamic adapter for the ram air so it can scoop more air, but that may lean out the A/F ratio.



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RE: shorty
05/13/14 2:11 PM

Sexy!



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RE: shorty
05/13/14 4:29 PM

Nice work mate. Very tidy!!



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RE: shorty
05/13/14 9:35 PM

I'm diggin that!



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RE: shorty
05/13/14 10:50 PM

Thanks guys,
Took me a while to finish the project. Kept thinking of what to do and 100 possibilities came to mind. Usually sleeping on it yielded better results. Conclusion was that simpicity was best. Rook, big thanks for all your posts on this site - you are a professional. Next project is valve adjustment for which I'll use your tutorial.



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RE: shorty
05/14/14 5:55 AM

Good! I'll be checking my valves again soon. That's a touchy one so take your time if you have to go all the way to changing a shim or two (sounds like you can tackle it considering all you've done on your bike so far) . Shoot me a PM if you you think I can answer a question for you. Thanks for the compliment but I'm far from being a pro. Some day maybe.



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RE: shorty
05/14/14 12:49 PM

kovikov, did you have any trouble reming the bolts in the frame? I tried the allen bolts on mine and it felt like the hex hole was stretching.

Also, I see you made a right hand subframe between the airbox and the top engine mount. Stock has only a left. I removed the lefthand subframe from my bike years ago. Do you think it's necessary to have it on?



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RE: shorty
05/14/14 1:10 PM

Rook, did you mean 'reaming' bolts into frame? I just used existing holes/bolts and made my own brackets. Maybe I'm not understanding your question completely. By 'hex hole was stretching' I am thinking of incorrect thread pitch? Anyhow, I did screw up a few allen bolt heads - trying to remove the front disc caliper, and used a 'star' shaped screw that was similar in diameter + hammer + flame. Remember reading one of your posts concerning your tri-r wheels where you had broken off a bolt and was trying to get it out? IDK but let me know.



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RE: shorty
05/14/14 3:00 PM

I need to slow down on the keyboard.hahah. I meant "removing" the frame bolts. The ones that hold the frame which supports the seat and bottom of the fuel tank. There are two allen head bolts on either side at the front of that piece. I tried removing them because I want to replace them with anodized gold bolts but they wouldn't budge. I felt one of the allen hexes (hex hole as I put it) start to deform from the force of the wrench so I gave up. From your comment above, sounds like you got all four out. Did you need to heat them and if so, how did you go about that?

Remember reading one of your posts concerning your tri-r wheels where you had broken off a bolt and was trying to get it out?

Yep. That was a picknic and a half, let me tell you. I broke off the head but I got the shank out by using a scribing tool and hammer to turn it out -- like you would use a hammer and chisel. I had a reverse thread drill bit ready and had loooked at easyouts but never needed to go that far.


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RE: shorty
05/14/14 5:10 PM

I thought i liked the Hubcycle... This is the next level. Very KTM on the hadelamps.



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RE: shorty
05/14/14 5:46 PM

Now that you say that, I do recall having some initial problems with the allen bolts that hold the subframe. Even now, the remaining thread sealant Kawi used, creates a bit of friction. You can try to preheat that area very carefully with a heatgun enough to soften the polymer sealant and or use a hammer drill. Cant be any more difficult than removing the front sprocket (which I haven't touched yet). Creeping up on to 18K so from other posts, think I can hold off...maybe

Last season bought zx6 wheel/tire combo, 45T rear sprocket (for 520), 520 HD chain (rated at over 9K tensile), so I've been itching to slap the new stuff on the bike. Read that 11K tensile is good for 300HP, so with my setup I'll be fine. Cant do it now, and when I slapped the 45T next to my 43T thats currently on the bike, I could see a huge diameter difference. Didn't make sense, but I know the bike would transform into a wheelie machine. Was out today, and under hard acceleration she will rise up in 2nd after 7K RPM?? Took off my tach/speedo and have not had the urge to put it back on. Use my smartphone for speed when needed. Guess my problem is always looking down at the guages for info. By now I have a good sense of speed, engine RPM, gearing, and fuel in the tank. Freed me up to look at the road more.

I have not found a 520 front sprocket for our bike. Guess I'm the only one who ever attempted the 520 setup and 5.5" rear wheel off the zx6 on our bike. I'll come up with a solution when the time comes. I'm at 180lbs, bike is ??? lbs, so for my style of riding it is adequate. Plus, they say 520 chain, with its lighter weight, contributes to better performance.

When I bought this bike 'used' 3 years ago, I asked the guy why he was selling it? He told me he wanted something flickable like a CBR1000. Guess, I went down that road with my mods.

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RE: shorty
05/14/14 8:01 PM

I did a sprocket/ chain removal tutorial.

"Converting chain pitch is something that might be worth considering if rotating mass reduction is of importance. The ZX-14 sprockets and chain are 530 pitch. Liter bikes are using 525 pitch chains and sprockets and may be enjoying a significant reduction in rotating mass (I have been told about 1.5 pounds less) over the larger sport bikes. Some companies (Vortex, for one) will convert ZX-14 sprockets to 525 pitch. Boosted liter bikes are making as much torque as a 14 without converting to 530 pitch sprockets. I stayed with 530 pitch. That seems to be what most other owners have done regardless of riding style."

IDK if I would go with anything lighter than 525 on a 14. I have 0 experience messing with chain/sprocket pitch but I'm just going on what I heard most others say in an old thread. A good weight saver but seems a little too risky for me.

Even now, the remaining thread sealant Kawi used, creates a bit of friction. You can try to preheat that area very carefully with a heatgun enough to soften the polymer sealant and or use a hammer drill.


hope I won't need a drill. I was thinking heat gun and red hot allen wrench to set in the hex a few minutes. maybe a big soldering iron would heat those monsters up enough to melt the locktite.

I like that frame you made. How does it compare in weight to the stock pieces?



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RE: shorty
05/14/14 11:19 PM

Rook, with your attention to detail, you could have been a surgeon. I think your method would work for removing stubborn allen and a hammer drill wont hurt a thing. Wish I could have weighed my completed tail section to compare with stock, but I was designing/welding on the subframe. Used some carbon steel pipe with reinforcements for connections and as far as tips that screw up to frame, I inserted a spacer and welded all around to make it look tidy. For the tail, I welded 3 bars to the tube that would support the all electronics. the belly is all thin guage AL held in place with tapping screws. I do know it is lighter than stock and come to think of it dont even own a scale.
I think AL tubing all around would have worked, but at that time did not have AL welder, just a cheap HF mig. Just got a nicer welder 220V that can MIG AL and SS and what a difference it made. That SS wire is super strong and the AL is a bit finicky and I had better luck with larger diameter AL MIG wire VS .030"
As far as 520 chains, I just go by tensile strength which correlates to stresses of riding. My HD 520 has the same thickness sidewalls (inner & outer), roller & pin diameter as the 530 thats on the bike. It is rated higher strength than some 530 replacement chains for the ZX14. IDK some love them some shy away. The BMW S1000RR has a 520 conversion kit. It does give me a chuckle how some guys tweak this and that to extract this and that from their bike when their skills arent even close to maxing out the performance of their machine. Then I think I'm that guy - oh well so I have a mental disorder, no wait lets call it a hobby.
Have a good night


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RE: shorty
05/15/14 5:37 AM

It does give me a chuckle how some guys tweak this and that to extract this and that from their bike when their skills arent even close to maxing out the performance of their machine. Then I think I'm that guy - oh well so I have a mental disorder, no wait lets call it a hobby.


You and me, both, bro! To me, I almost felt the heavier stock wheels were more predictable than the Carrazzerias in cornering (balancing off the power). This year, I think I'm more comfortable with it.

Thanks for info on 520 pitch sprockets. I'm filing that away for the next time I change a chain.



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