Until today, I had never had a passenger ride with me on the 14 other than my 6 year old daughter and just doing circles in the driveway. The combined weight of me and the passenger today was ~280 and the suspension felt better than ever. It glided through the dips and the bumps felt a lot softer. I tried to ride a lot more on the gentle side for the ladies but the power for street riding didn't seem all that diminished. I kept it at about 3500 rpm for a gentle ride. I was still able to go from 50 - 100 in approximately a couple seconds.

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I noticed the same Rook when I took my wife for a ride, still have lots of power and suspension was smooth....

Most of my riding is 2 up. The 14 handles it great, they even handle better in the twisties. Check out this 2 up vid around the 1:05 mark.

* Last updated by: bgordon on 9/13/2009 @ 7:11 PM *

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I don't like the 14 with a passenger on.

Almost as bad as any other sports bike IMHO.

^^It's more fun without a passenger most of the time. One was single though and she was pretty hot. I didn't have a helmet for her but she had sunglasses to protect her eyes-----------until they blew away----the glasses, I mean.

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About 2 months ago my wife wrote her car off in a highway accident. I bought her a car today, as we got sick of waiting for the insurance company to come good with her payout (still waiting...grrrr...).

So before today, we have literally gone everywhere on the bikes together - as I don't own a cage. Between commuting and just doing our thing, we been averaging around 500-600 miles per week.

The Connie is a lot more comfortable for both of us than the Ninja. The seat is better shaped for 2-up and before the riding position is more upright, you don't get that feeling like the pillion is slumped over you, which can be a bit tiring on long trips. Also the design of the Ninja's seat makes it hard to stop the pillion sliding down during deceleration, even with smooth braking.

I have the Ninja's suspension set up stiff, which doesn't help 2-up. Whereas even when tightened right up, the Connie handles about the same, pillion or no. I'm constantly scraping pegs and even panniers on the Connie with the wife on the back, and it always feels really solid and planted.

But, despite the ZX14 not being as good as the C14, I still find it to be a lot better than most sports bikes, and really quite good considering what an awesome performance sports bike it is. I'm pretty sure the '14 is better 2-up than the 'Busa. And comparing how good the ZX14 is to say a supersports litre bike is laughable. I've done 2-up on CBR's and it's not fun. They handle like a pig with the pillion sitting way up on the silly little "seat", with their knees around their ears.

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Also the design of the Ninja's seat makes it hard to stop the pillion sliding down during deceleration, even with smooth braking.

I can concur on that point. I'm sure most of us have noticed how much we slide forward on the stock seat when seated in a more upright position. The passenger does the same thing.

I'm pretty sure the '14 is better 2-up than the 'Busa.

The pillion seat on the busa is separate from the pilot seat and the pillion seat looks like it sits level. I think there would be less problems with the passenger sliding however, the pillion seat is awfully small on a busa. If you normally ride with the seat cowl attached on the 14, it is a simple matter to remove the cowl to carry a passenger. If you ride with the hump on a busa, you probabley have the pillion seat back at home. It must be removed to put the hump on.

The Connie is a lot more comfortable for both of us than the Ninja. The seat is better shaped for 2-up

Can the Connie seat be attached to your 14? That seems like that would be a great in between for me. I can't buy a Connie but I could buy a Connie seat.

* Last updated by: Rook on 9/14/2009 @ 9:00 AM *

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Our stock suspension is so soft its really worthless for anything but cruising with a passenger.
I have a Penske, stiffer springs and modded fork valving. I can firm it up enough now for my Lady and Me now.
Also have a custom seat, but the riding attitude of the 14 still requires her to reach around Me to brace herself on the tank for braking. I'm slim, dont know if she could with bigger guys.
Its possible I thrash my 14 considerably more than most 14 owners. Just maybe......,

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Connie seat does fit the 14, just need to p/u or use the locking mechanism off of the zx seat, just unscrew and replace on the Connie seat.... check out blue's bike maybe he can post some pic's.....

Also have a custom seat, but the riding attitude of the 14 still requires her to reach around Me to brace herself on the tank for braking. I'm slim, dont know if she could with bigger guys.

Yeah my wife - who is an experienced pillion - either braces herself against my back, or squeezes into me extra tight with her thighs, or both.

One of those combinations usually does the trick...if not, she just head butts the back of my good shoei, digs me in the ribs, or both. Apparently I should know better than to race on the streets...although she doesn't mind when we are up in the mountain twisties.

She's learnt very well to be in touch with my riding and to know the signs of what I'm going to do next, and how fast/hard. Sometimes she even helps me turn in faster by hanging off the bike a bit!

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I'm pretty sure the '14 is better 2-up than the 'Busa.

The pillion seat on the busa is separate from the pilot seat and the pillion seat looks like it sits level.

Nope. Saw a pic today and the busa pillion seat slants forward too.

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Connie seat with a custom cover - fits great.

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does the cowl still fit???

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No the cowl won't work with the connie seat mod.

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You would just leave the cowl on the stock seat anyway. Instead of changing the cowl, you change the seat.

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hey guys this is a must when riding 2 up and under $20 keeps the lil woman planted firmly in her place check it out

http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Triboseat__W0QQ_armrsZ1

they also make one for the pilot seat but its a universal not custom made like the rear pilon

http://cgi.ebay.com/TRIBOSEAT-RIDER-FOR-HONDA-SUZUKI-KAWASAKI-YAMAHA-BMW_W0QQitemZ360189818595QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Motorcycle_Parts?hash=item53dcfc76e3&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1262#ht_986wt_1167

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Good idea. They don't go for velcro on their butt to much, I don't think.

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rook guess superglue is out of the question too uh lol

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Just get a Triboseat, cheap and handy. Helps like someone else mentioned : To not slam ur balls against the damn tank when u hit the breaks and the passenger slams into you

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lol..... good idea if you want to have children some day.

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I put the Connie seat on mine and my GF loves it.She also likes the grab handle on the back,when I put it on.Keeps her from sliding into me when were doing aggresive traffic management!!!

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Just got my Triboseat Passenger seat cover in the mail from the UK. Cost me under $30 with shipping.

The packaging said it was for the ZX-10 and you can see the 10 marked in the upper right.

No worries. Fits the 14 perfectly. Looks really nice. Feels like a pASSenger would stick to that just fine. Will do the actual test with the live passenger soon.

Secured with an elastic string tog.

I did some research online before ordering and it seems that this exact material can be purchased at Home Depot for about $12 and you get a 30" x 24" roll of the stuff. It is called toolbox liner or router padding. IDK by which simple means you would secure it underneath the seat. I decided that was too much of a hassle to go through so I just bought the real thing with the nice seamed tog around the edges. It's cheap. If it lasts, well worth the few $$ more than making a DIY sticky seat. I will say that the online review of the Triboseat mentioned that the rubber coating wore quickly with a 110 pound passenger on it. It was some time ago that the review was put up. Don't know if the material was updated. Also don't know if the ware causes the product to perform less than optimally or if the change is simply cometic. The Triboseat covers are cheap enough that you could buy 5-6 and I believe shipping is the same as 1.

Might be worth considering creating such a sticky cover that is fit to the ZX-14's seat shape. Triboseat makes a pilot seat cover but it does not cover the whole seat and has elastic bands that stretch under ....it just does not look as precisely fitted as the pillion seat cover IMHO. I would love to have my whole seat covered with this stuff.

* Last updated by: Rook on 8/2/2012 @ 10:22 AM *

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Long as it fits!So your pillion is enjoying the new ride?We need some pics Bro!....or a vid....whatever.She holds on tight does she?Nice.

"I would love to have my whole seat covered with this stuff"...I'm not so sure you would....aren't we supposed to be able to slip around on the seat?At least somewhat.I think I'd have a hard time moving around with that on there.I MAY....may have a professional shave off just a teensy bit from the center.Not that it REALLY needs it...but the new seat as comfy as it is....has a 'slight' angle from about midpoint up to the front.If that center was shaved slightly,that angle would be flat.....or pretty much.No big deal really.But I notice it....overall...it's not 'bad'...but I think it could be just a smidgen better in that respect.Hell...it's a DRAG BIKE.Punchin this baby off the line....the bowl holds very nicely.

BTW...that Sapphire Blue looks awesome!

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Too quick for me, Grn!! I was about to replace that whole post with the link to this thread because it seems more apropos for Product Review
GOOD - TRIBO SEAT COVER

Long as it fits!So your pillion is enjoying the new ride?We need some pics Bro!....or a vid....whatever.She holds on tight does she?Nice.

yeah TWSS!!!

Have not taken her on the 14 yet. Was very much admiring her sitting on the bike though. Actually made me think (....just for a second) about letting her pilot.

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Whoa now...hold on....pillion's one thing...piloting....well...you know.J/K....probably ride the doo doo outta yer baby!Not taken her yet?...wth ya waitin for?...WINTER???LOL!Bro...get er on there....ya got the bike to attract women,right?Okay then...ya got one...now RIDE!!!!LOL!

I told ya about that one I took from work,right?Great ride....that was my 07...it was SO good....she fell asleep behind me!!!!!Geez...unbelieveable!I asked her...'so this shifts better than a Harley?"....oh yeah she says.WAY better than a Harley.Musta been that Shiftstar

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