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Thread: Tire question/opinions.

Created on: 08/13/13 02:27 PM

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Kolk1


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Tire question/opinions.
08/13/13 2:27 PM

Ok, right now im running the Angel St, I have used them and loved them for a long time. Now they have the Angel GT out, which is stickier, but also a dual compound, and im not sure if stickier is just sides, or also the center, or is the center now harder than the St?

Right now, if the tire is cold, I have traction problems in 2nd, if warm I can hook pretty good in 2nd. Right now im about 8-8.5inch longer than stock. When I buy a new arm soon, it will max out at 8, so ill only be around 7 at the most. So that should help traction as well. Not sure how much though.

I like the Angel St because of how many miles I get out of them, but id rather have a little more traction in 1st and 2nd gear. Mainly 2nd, I dont expect 1st to ever be highly usable unless I run a slick, and thats not happening.

So just wanting a hair more traction than I have now, should I go GT? I cant find this info anywhere. Also, knowing that ill be about 1inch or so shorter, should help as well. Ive never played with different lengths to know how drastic the difference is, but I know its a balancing act between you either have more traction and wheelie, or longer so you dont wheelie but have less traction. Not sure how much 1 inch or so, will move me towards more traction.

On a side note, at the same time, how much would a 50 help over a 55 as far as straight line traction?

I spend a TON of time just cruising on the highway, I dont race from a dig, which is why the Angel works great for me, but due to my amount of power, Id like to get a little stickier.

So in a nut shell, what other tire gets a ton of miles like the Angel or close, but a hair stickier in a straight line?

Even getting the same tire again, will 1inch shorter, and a 50 instead of 55 be a noticeable increase in straight line traction?



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Bobby914


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RE: Tire question/opinions.
08/13/13 3:01 PM

The angel GT is dual compound will give you the mileage your looking for but the cornering stabilty and traction with its softer compound on the side, the compound in the middle of the GT will give you more stickyness for traction. The michelin 2ct (which I run faithfully) gives you very good hook up the middle and on the sides but the angel will give you a few more touring miles. I have no complaints about pirelli tires but my 2 cents is I'm a huge michelin fan and thats why I run them, best of both worlds with quick warm up. A lot of guys run the angels and love them just the same, so 6 of one half dozen of the other.



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Kolk1


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RE: Tire question/opinions.
08/13/13 5:38 PM

See, im mainly concerned about center traction. In that sense, is the center of the GT stickier than the ST? If so, Im pretty sure ill go with that one.

Actually, looks like they are the same, but the GT has higher mileage and better wet grip. hmmm


Gt Vs St


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Danno


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RE: Tire question/opinions.
08/14/13 4:36 AM

Regardless of tire brand, stickier isn't going to last as long as less stickier. Soft compounds yield more traction and less miles. As much as we would all like to get more miles out of stickier tires, it ain't happening.



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Wolfman



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RE: Tire question/opinions.
08/14/13 5:57 AM

The magic combination with tires is simply to buy a set on what best you know and ride the fling crap out of them. Once burned off it is possible to reflect on the next purchase. Heard all kids of warnings about my Mich pr3Ks ie I ride too hard, they are not meant for the hooliganism I bring yadda yadda. They are a fantastic tire. Way better than Metzler







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Romans


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RE: Tire question/opinions.
08/14/13 7:29 AM

Boost equals you are going to get a chance to try them all.

May be best dual purpose choice with boost

Click, look at Power sport, my next tire

If you want them to last ?

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skiffman


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RE: Tire question/opinions.
08/14/13 11:57 AM

I am pretty amazed with the Michelin PR3's. Other than a short track day deal (they obviously arent a track tire!) they have been awesome on the street.
Was very resistant to trying the Brand when I was doing track days regularly. But when I started touring on the bike all the time I tried them after 2 sets of the Dunlop RoadSmarts. I wasnt really happy with the Dunlops at 4000 miles. Good traction and easy warm up but as they started to square the ride went to crap.And would still get another 3000 miles out of them.
I am at 5000+ with the Michelins and still am happy with them.



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Kolk1


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RE: Tire question/opinions.
08/14/13 12:15 PM

Im about to read those links you posted Roman, but first, Im not looking for the same mileage and stickier, Im looking for the next step in slightly stickier with slightly less miles.

For instance, lets say im at 70% traction, and 5,000 miles. Id like to find 75-80% traction and 4000-4500 miles. I dont want to buy the wrong tire and be at 95% traction and 1000 miles. lol

BUT at the same time, price also comes into play, if a 85% and 3500 mile tire is cheap as hell, ill give up the extra miles and just replace it one more time a year. lol


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Kolk1


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RE: Tire question/opinions.
08/14/13 12:33 PM

I also agree with Roman on the fact, Boost equals try them all. LOL. Ive got about 2k on this Angel St right now, and still a lot of tread left. But ill probably kill it a lot faster than my last one lasted on the nitrous setup. lol



2007 Plasma Blue ZX-14.
New build, Fresh re-plated block, Velocity Racing Turbo kit, JE Turbo pistons, P&P Head, and a whole lot more. Current on 8.5psi.

2013 White ZX-14R, Full Hindle exhaust, Puig DB screen, HIDs, drop pegs, bar risers, and so on, setting it up for touring.

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Kolk1


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RE: Tire question/opinions.
08/21/13 1:45 PM

I did go ahead and order a new front tire, it was getting very low on tread. Since its a front tire, and now pretty much a highway only bike, I just ordered a Shinko Verge. It was under $80 with shipping, and its their new Sport Touring tire. Ive even considered trying their rear tire as well. I like the look of the tread pattern. And being a sport Touring tire, it should be worth a shot. Cheap too.



2007 Plasma Blue ZX-14.
New build, Fresh re-plated block, Velocity Racing Turbo kit, JE Turbo pistons, P&P Head, and a whole lot more. Current on 8.5psi.

2013 White ZX-14R, Full Hindle exhaust, Puig DB screen, HIDs, drop pegs, bar risers, and so on, setting it up for touring.

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Bobby914


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RE: Tire question/opinions.
08/21/13 3:10 PM

Sometimes you get what you pay for, let us know how they run out



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Kolk1


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RE: Tire question/opinions.
08/21/13 4:22 PM

I figure for a front tire on a highway bike, it should should work just fine. As far as the rear goes, IF I decide to try it, ill know if the traction sucks on the first day, and I could sell it and get most of my money back and then order a different brand for the rear.



2007 Plasma Blue ZX-14.
New build, Fresh re-plated block, Velocity Racing Turbo kit, JE Turbo pistons, P&P Head, and a whole lot more. Current on 8.5psi.

2013 White ZX-14R, Full Hindle exhaust, Puig DB screen, HIDs, drop pegs, bar risers, and so on, setting it up for touring.

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