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Created on: 06/07/09 09:48 PM

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JDC


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Rostra Cruise Control done...
06/07/09 9:48 PM

I have the Rostra cruise control install about done, except for 1 or 2 more test rides tomorrow. All in all it is a pretty straight forward install, excluding the ‘wonder’ component.

I followed these instructions, which are for a Kawasaki Concours 14. Save for wiring colors, the instructions appear the same for a ZX-14.

Purchased here:

http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=369

Instructions for Concours 14 here:

http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/docs/Rostra%20install.htm

and Jim's info, here:

http://www.sdb-e.com/RostraGL1100i.pdf

Setup is largely unmarked from the above instructions. Back tail light wire is blue/red, not just blue as on the Concours. Good instructions and photos. Kudos to Brian and Jim.

VSS setup:

During the setup there is a VSS (vehicle speed sensor) wire, gray, from the Rostra, to the pink of the Speed sensor, Figure 7 in Brian’s instructions. No matter what I did I could not get the diagnostic signal to correctly ‘test’ for this connection, despite there being correct continuity of the wire to the Rostra, and the bikes Speed Sensor being checked out by Kawasaki as within electrical specs. Thomas, of Rostra, going on the idea that this connection works for the Concours 14; he has no hands on practical experience with this - just going by what I told him of Brian's instructions, thought that the ‘brain’ was bad, and asked me to send it back in to the store I purchased it from. It has a three year warranty. This is the 'wonder' factor, is the box bad, or the VSS signal from the 14 different than the Concours? Rather than have such a long ‘wait’ time for shipping to Murph’s, he to Rostra, Rostra back to him, and he back to me, I decided to ‘test’ out another method of picking up speed signal, with a magnetic pickup coil and magnet set on the front wheel. That was about $30 shipped.

That setup worked. I’ll send the box off for replacement during a vacation. I purchased the magnetic pickup from Brandon Dist. That guy said to use 2 magnets if the diameter of the drive shaft was 3-4" or smaller. I initially put on 2 magnets, per instructions from Brandon Dist.

I put the magnets on the inner circumference of the front wheel with a little silicone. I used a bit to cover the entire magnet as well. The pickup and bracket go under the front fender, and to get this photo you have to be in just the right place. I’ll paint it black now that I know the setup works correctly. You can not see the bracket unless you are at the 'correct' angle.

Mounting locations for box (front) with bracket at rear on left intake wall, left bolt:

and cable bracket:

Basic touch pad, powered up post bike startup by relay:

Testing: After initial diagnostic testing of pad and signals, up to the VSS signal, which I could not get, and then the addition of the magnetic coil/magnets, which are not in the diagnostic, all was ready for a road test.

Set with the PIN settings of Brian's instructions, with the addition of the magnetic coil pickup changes:

During ‘testing’ of the cruise function, at low speeds, say 35-50, it was just 'passable’. On the highway at 60-90 the bike would cruise with surging, a real nuisance since the repetitive surges were about every 3 seconds, as soon as the bike slowed to 4-5 MPH below the ‘setting’, it would then speed up. No matter the changes to the gain pin switches (1 and 2) , or the cylinder pin switches , nothing notably really helped.

I played with the 7 pin, as Brian recommends, which changes the setup from 8 cyl to 4 cyl, not much difference. Then I used every setting in the ‘gain control (pins 1 and 2), and no help, gain control with all the cylinder settings (pins 7-9), and no help again. There were a few occasions of changing the cylinder settings, to 4 cyl 'high' and 'extra high', which then made the cruise control engage and continue to accelerate, seeming to no end, until I kicked it off. I set it back to 4 cly, 'low', where it is now.

I finally changed the PPM setting (pins 3-6), which were set per instructions at all OFF, a PPM rate of 2000, to a setting of 4000. That made the cruise perfect at high speeds, or any speed 50 MPH and above, though getting it set at 50-55 is not easy. You have to set to 60 and 'decel' backwards. 60 MPH and above it sets correctly, and rides just perfect. It is so smooth you feel like you are in a space ship warping along ! :)

But that setting changed the low end cruise ability, because where I could use the cruise control at speeds in the 30's and higher, 60 MPH was now the lowest I could set the control to, correctly, and 50 with a PITA.

I have added 2 more magnets, now totaling 4, and will see if I can lower the PPM to 2000 and get back low MPH cruise, and smooth as well. That test is for tomorrow morning.

A nice thing about this unit is that there are no canisters. Wire and mount the box and gadgets and you are done. If it were not for mod’ing the three brackets to ‘fit’ (box, cable to TB actuator and magnetic pickup), it would be about a 4-6 hour job. As it is, it took about 8 hours total.

I cut and welded the cable bracket so that it mounts behind the right side of the engine brace, angles in and down. The box bracket was simply shortened and bent to mount on the left intake, left mounting bolt.

Note: Though Brian, of the Concours instructions, states you can email him with questions, he did not respond to my wiring question, about his Figure 8, and text instructions for color of wire for the clutch switch. Text calls for “black wire with white dots” to the Rostra light green wire. The photo shows the ‘gray’ wire from the wiring harness to the Rostra light green wire. Use the ‘gray’ wire from the wiring harness to the Rostra light green wire. I would have also liked to talk to him about the VSS diagnostic he had.


Now I can cruise and have my right hand free for beer!


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RE: Rostra Cruise Control done...
06/07/09 10:18 PM

jdc where do you live? kinda like to see that.



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JDC


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RE: Rostra Cruise Control done...
06/07/09 10:20 PM

S.Calif, near Ontario Airport area.

saw this a while back, made just for the 14, and they now have it in stock....

with vacume canisters...

http://www.mccruise.com/product.php?productid=157


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RE: Rostra Cruise Control done...
06/08/09 9:13 AM

I didn't read all of your stuff above, JDC, but I hope you used high-temp. silicone and not just regular black silicone. It looks like you did, but if not, I would make the switch 'cause the high-temp. is worlds stronger than the regular...great job, btw...

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RE: Rostra Cruise Control done...
06/08/09 10:02 AM

You have good eyes! Yes I did.

and thank you.


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RE: Rostra Cruise Control done...
06/08/09 2:07 PM

Calculated the PPM was about 3328 @ 24 circumfrence wheel, which falls between 2K PPM and 4K PPM PIN settings, which the Rostra can be set for. There are higher settings, up to about 32K.

After adding the 2 magnets, total now 4, had to mux about finding a new PIN settings for low and high MPH engagement/cruise. Current PIN settings, which seem to work at both low and high speeds, very smoothly are:

Gain: 1-2 OFF - Extra low
PPM: 3 OFF, 4 ON, 5,6 OFF - 6000 PPM
Engine: 7 ON, 8,9 OFF - 4 cyl/low
VSS: 10 OFF - Sine wave input (magnetic pickup)
Trans: 11 ON - auto transmission
Cont. Switch: 12 OFF - open circuit (relay type for brakes I believe)

Tried initial $ K PPM setting and was surging in higher speeds again. Messed about with the 'gain' settings, and that seems to have very little effect, that I can tell. Bumped up PPM from 4K to 6K, and one hour drive went well and can engage cruise around 25-30 MPH on low end. High speeds engage correctly and are smooth as well.

Think I am done.


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dennisclawson



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RE: Rostra Cruise Control done...
06/08/09 5:11 PM

This is cool JDC! How much would you say it ran you if you added up all your expenses?

Thanks,
-Dennis

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JDC


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RE: Rostra Cruise Control done...
06/08/09 5:42 PM

$230, not including my own cut and pasting (welding), and high temp silicone.

Had the OEM VSS worked out of the box, $200.


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RE: Rostra Cruise Control done...
06/08/09 6:19 PM

This should be moved into accessories, and made into a sticky!

Nicely done, JDC!



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JDC


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RE: Rostra Cruise Control done...
06/08/09 6:55 PM

Thank you, but the vast bulk of the work was by others.

You know, if the touch pad only consists of two switches, and they are not sending any info to each other, a horizontal touch pad could be made, similar to:

Maybe I will check that out. It would be nice to have it (much more) thumb closer.


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kaibosh



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RE: Rostra Cruise Control done...
06/08/09 11:15 PM

Damn. Just... Damn. Sounds like a nasty install, though.

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RE: Rostra Cruise Control done...
06/08/09 11:26 PM

Nice post JDC, Thanx



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RE: Rostra Cruise Control done...
06/09/09 10:43 AM

Kaibosh,

Doing the things, routing wires was not too bad since I have a main power and ground up front anyway for such gadgets. You also need to have a link to the rear brake tail light, so rather than extend the Rostra wire to feed to the back, and put the relay there, I just tapped into the wire at the rear, and brought forward that single wire. You have a relay or two to do, depending on your choice. That kept those gadgets close by the unit, and where I locate my ele gadget wiring anyway.

Nothing particularly difficult, mostly just time.


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DonB442



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RE: Rostra Cruise Control done...
02/12/15 12:26 PM

I have installed a Rostra in a Gen 2 ZX14. I didn't see this before the install. Mine is having a problem also with the speed sensors. Have you figured that out and removed the magnets or still same config? I really don't want to add the magnets but will if necessary.
DonB

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RE: Rostra Cruise Control done...
03/12/15 7:42 AM

This is awesome! I would love to have electronic cruise control in my Gen 2 ZX14R instead of those cheap "throttle locks" that you see all over.

I have the aluminum version of the Go Cruise throttle lock, and while it works....ish.... it's certainly no cruise control. I set it at 65mph and within about 15 seconds I've decelerated to 50mph. Gives you a chance to take your right hand off the grip and shake it out without the full engine braking effect, but it would be nice if I could pick a speed and maintain it for as long as I need to.



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RE: Rostra Cruise Control done...
03/12/15 8:28 AM

Throttlemiester...

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RE: Rostra Cruise Control done...
07/21/15 5:18 PM

Hey Don. Did you get it working yet? I just installed one on mine using this post for instructions but I found it on another forum. I tried to get a voltage reading on the wheel speed sensors but could not so I don't think they communicate in a way the rostra can read so installed the rostra speed sensor. I put the magnets on with silicone adhesive as stated above and lost two magnets so ordered more and put them on with gorilla glue this time and after 500+ miles they are still good. I also bought mine with a different switch to give it a cleaner look and be able to activate it without taking my hand off the grip. I had a machinist friend make the bracket for the switch. I also had to set mine to 4 cylinder high cause evidently I have more slack in my cable so you might have to adjust setting due to slight variations in the install.



For anyone interested the controller with switch and mounting hardware is around $210 on ebay and the speed sensor is $35 from there as well. You can get the relay for the brake light from any auto parts store for $5. You also have to come up with a bracket fort the switch.

I had a throttlemiester on my last bike and it was a big improvement but I didn't like how difficult it was to set and how much my speed would change going up or down hill or if I leaned up or down. I wanted to maintain a steady speed to help me avoid tickets and make long rides easier so I decided to do this with this bike. After installing it I do think it's nice setting the cruise and never having my speed vary more than 1 or 2 mph.

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