Hello, i have a 2013 zx14r, when i intro the VIN number in kawasaki.com site, the page show me that is an abs model, but my bike has no abs!! When i buyed to the dealer he told me that it was an abs model (is an used bike), and now is offering apologizes but says that there's no solution to my problem because it was not a brand new bike (onle 1100 miles when y buyed it). I want to know if there is a chance to install an abs kit or something, on ebay i found an entire abs sistem used but in good conditions, i guess that i need an abs ecu too, can you help.me?
Sorry for mi english, i'm fron santiago de chile
thanks!!

Your English is very understandable....Unfortunately, I do not know the answer.Perhaps someone else can explain.

Welcome.
Need:
1. ABS unit, mini ECU, or brain box.
2. Main ECU for ABS change.
3. Change out the non-ABS main wire harness for the main-ABS wire harness so both function as one.
4. Brake line hoses from ABS unit out to the other brake lines.
5. The assorted hardware to keep the lines in place, hold the ABS unit in place, etc.
6. Not worth the time and trouble chasing what parts are not online.
7. Step up the braking skills without the unit.

Hub knows his stuff... I didn't know that about the wiring harness. I thought they were the same harness.

There was a lot of confusion on the '13s, thankful to Kaw's website (particularly US). If you clicked non-SE models, they listed no ABS. If you clicked SE, it listed ABS. Most people thought if you got the SE it had ABS and if you got the red or white models they were non-ABS. I have an SE, like yours, no ABS. People kept telling me "Vic you have ABS you moron!" and I'm like no, my bike doesn't have ABS and they would tell me "Vic you're an IDIOT YOUR BIKE HAS ABS IT'S AN SE!" Eventually people figured out that I wasn't full of shit (at least about that). Generally you can trust the front fender stickers, if the only sticker is KTRC then it is no-ABS. If it is KTRC/ABS it's ABS. Granted, front fenders could be swapped or sticker's purchased. A quick peak at the brake line routing can confirm ABS or not.

If you're concerned about the bike's value, at most probably $200 (400 was price difference new). Unless you ride in adverse conditions (rain) ABS isn't very helpful. I used up my OE pads in 12k miles and that was probably 2mm past the wear point. I braked hard enough a couple times to bottom out the forks (not fun, almost like a really crappy ABS shutter). You do have to be careful with the rear. Hub might say never use the rear, and I'm OK with that. During performance riding, I stopped using the rear if I was in 1st gear (slowing for entry), other than that light use/trail braking but it's very difficult to modulate. The fronts are incredible, IMO excellent feel and power.

* Last updated by: VicThing on 10/15/2016 @ 8:55 AM *

Had car turn left in front of me last week,if I didn't have abs I'm sure the front would have skidded and tucked.

You don't know that. That's the problem with ABS and ABS "testimony" like this. "ABS saved me." becomes the point. Unless it was in rain or something I could see your claim being valid. If you could stop with ABS, you could've stopped safely without it. Think about it for a minute, why is what I'm claiming true? (please, explain it back to me)

My claim is not opinion. It's not an opinion. It's fact. Anyone? It's fairly simple stuff, and unless you can provide the answer your next reply quite honestly you have no business giving advice to anyone about braking. Just go out and ride your bike content to believe ABS will save you from accidents.

Now, as far aa me having ABS I do have ABS. Just not on my motorcycle. ABS isn't black magic voodoo. Perhaps it is to you, this certainly seems to be the case. You "believe" in ABS like you'd "believe" in black magic voodoo.

The choice for ABS really narrows down to this. If when you slam into that gray hairs Buick you want to be catapulted over handle bars, choose ABS. If when you slam into that gray hairs Buick you want to try to share space with grandma, the buick, and your motorcycle, choose non-ABS. Although with non-ABS there is some potential for the ABS result to occur, it just depends if you "laid it down" or not.

I have had 2 bikes with abs and 2 without. Abs will save the average rider and or make sure you are going way slower than you would have been before impact. We can all talk about our skills but none of that matters in panic breaking.

https://youtu.be/X6kO6ltk3a0

My bike does not have ABS either. If I could go back in time, I would have purchased one with it. I was caught up in the adrenaline rush of buying a 14R. I have almost low-sided my bike (had to drop a foot down for control) during a panic brake in dry weather, I had to let off the brake once she locked, regain control, aim the bike away from the car, and then reapply the brakes--I was lucky. I think that 99.9% of the time you don't need ABS but when you do, you do.

In wet weather, I think that most people would say that's a no-brainer, but in dry weather there will always be a discussion of, "Do you really need ABS"?.

As if yesterday, ABS on a bmw saved me from dropping the bike at a stop sign. I could not see the fine grit and stones that were accumulated. Now, the 14 covered my ass [deep breaking] just a few weeks ago. Both dry circumstances. Do I believe the system works? Without a doubt.

There's no debate as to if ABS systems perform in the manner they are designed to. Does ABS conditions prevent your brakes from locking up the tires in the prescribed conditions? Yes it does.

What I have been stating is that too frequently when someone with ABS (because it's new and special) has something of a "close call" they persistently claim "ABS saved me". I am telling you that you are WRONG, and like most of the butt dyno bullshit claims I have to put up from you people applies just the same as it does to power increases ("it pulls way harder now" when it doesn't) to actual ABS braking performance. We all experience close calls. And my guess is I ride just as aggressively if not more so than most of you reading this.

So consider this. For every 10 times you tell me "ABS saved me" ABS only saved you 2 of those times, no matter what you believe. Do some research. I don't care about people that have ridden for 600 years. Most likely this just means you probably never had any formal motorcycle riding training and probably have a lot of bad habits. Don't tell me you've ridden for 5000 years like that means anything. Tell me what type of riding you do, how many miles you ride a year, and the frequency of accidents you've had.

Still waiting on someone to provide the answer to my question about why if you stopped on an ABS bike it's equally possible to stop on a non-ABS bike? Anyone? Here's a hint. Forget your tire were made of rubber and mechanically fastened to the wheel. Instead, your wheel's are lined with skateboard wheels that create the equivalent circumference of the tire. Two identical bikes tested in the same manner, the only difference is one is ABS and one is non-ABS, which would stop shorter?

If you're a adverse conditions rider, by all means your bike should have ABS. That technology is here and it will absolutely help you. Otherwise there doesn't seem to be really any draw back to ABS and there is a slight decrease of about 20% chance of it making a difference from a non-ABS bike. What's 20%? It's barely something but it's more than nothing in real terms. LIke I said, it's really the difference if you want to smash into a Buick and go over the bars or take your chances by "laying it down".

Although I haven't ridden an ABS equipped bike, and I think bumpfire's point is valid. If nothing else, I believe that a rider even just KNOWING that they have ABS may encourage them to brake harder than they normally would have knowing that the front tire won't lock up.

Sure, the ABS system may not even engage and have nothing physically to do with avoiding a collision, but it could help the rider psychologically. Of course, rider training and practice is even better and this idea is entirely a subjective point (ie, not ALL riders will think this way/benefit from it).

Vic, you need to experience both systems. I did have a video of my '08 squealing on the painted lines using the front brakes only. Back in 1978 I blew out the fork seals, running a bike up to 100mph about 18 times. I'd yank on the front lever until the bike would plow the front end and then let go of the brakes. I'd scrub off an average of 9mph before the bars would turn in and almost hit the stops one time. At that speed I could recover the bike as in... 'that in motion tends to stay... in a straight line.'

The beemer had a slow tick or the threshold/discharge/triggering [DTT] noise that was loud and countable. The 14 is quiet, faster at the DTT triggering, and hardly noticed. So at a 100mph I know how the front end washes out that quickly. There is no way I could respond that fast even though that skill set taught me to respond faster at the lever more quickly.

That means my response time would not be as hair trigger as a controlled skid, meaning, before I could react, the ABS was done and over with before I could think of letting go of the lever and reapply. So for you to say I am faster than ABS, there is no other way of saying, 'the processor is faster than I could process on my own, thus saved my ass.'

I've never ridden a bike with ABS, but I wish mine had it. I just don't believe an emotional, possibly panicking human receiving many sensory inputs can react as fast as a non-emotional, never-panicking machine designed to sense one specific input and perform a single function in response to that input.

My Nissan Titan truck does have ABS, and I often have to pull quickly off the highspeed paved road that runs by my property to turn onto my dirt road, and I've had my ABS kick in several of those instances. Each time it's been pretty much shocking, which tells me the ABS was sensing tire slip that I had no idea was even happening.

And without ABS by the time I was to realize it I'd probably be quite a few feet closer to a crash, which is distance wasted that my vehicle could've been using to try to stop in time.

* Last updated by: extrapolator on 10/18/2016 @ 2:38 PM *

Hub and eXtra,

Only someone like Vic with his superior intellect and brain power, or an experienced pro rider, have the bandwidth and control system processing power to handle all the variables simultaneously to panic brake without ABS and not tuck the wheel and die.

Myself and 95% of us are barely capable of keeping a moving bike upright let alone talking in complete sentences.

I can only admire their awesomeness and buy ABS to save my dumbass, I think I'll go slam my hand in the door

Hey guys. I hit a big patch of dried, comprssed clay riding the other day. Might as well have been ice or an oil slick. ABS didn't save me.

My statement that 2 out of 10 times you tell someone "ABS saved me!" isn't my opinon. It's a statistic which is available to anyone to find. I'd post the link but I'd rather let you do the leg work so you'll appreciate it more.

So believe whatever you want. That's what the stupid have done for centuries. So if you believe that ABS reduces your chances of whatever 5000000% good for you... being stupid is your freedom. Some of you are stupid enough to believe I'm saying "don't buy ABS", so you're probably stupid enough to make other giant leaps of idiocy.

My whole point is A) I wouldn't sale the non-ABS bike only because it doesn't have ABS. It's not like a motorcycle is inherently unsafe because it doesn't have ABS FFS.

http://www.motorcycle.com/safety/mo-tested-cornering-abs.html

Where Kevin would be the 'know it all on the forums' ...

CrudeRudy, I had to laugh at your witty sarcasm--nice.

Being stupid is not just a freedom, it's a right. And since most of you are like modern 'murican males, you'll be damned if someone takes away your rights.

Your rights SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

Oaths of the stupid:

"Give me stupidity or give me daeth!"

"I pledge elegance to the Johnny Unitas States of 'murica. For which in public, I do stand, to pee, on one leg, in which Richard Petty and Elvis are both the King, invisible, with stupidity and licorice for all."

"Do not ass kiss what your century because of do-do, ass kiss what your do-do can be for centuries!"

"Don't tree down me."

* Last updated by: VicThing on 10/18/2016 @ 7:27 PM *

Clarification: I didn't intend to be against anybody who doesn't care for ABS. Just offering my opinion on it that it seems like a good thing, but again I've never even ridden a bike with it.

I just realized that actually I have briefly ridden 2 bikes with ABS: 2012 Kawai C14 and 2017 Yamaha FZ10, but ABS wasn't activated during either brief ride.

Glad I have mine..I know that my traction control works immensely faster than I can react, usually haven taken care of the problem before I can think to let off the throttle. I have never felt the ABS on my 2013 zx14 but I can only think it must be at least as fast reacting as my traction contol which says to me....welcome...and thanks for the help..
In addition, there are some new types ( at least to me) of auto-braking that have been designed for cornering that are amazing...I lost the link but it is out there..A lot of info.. Bosch ABS..

Here is one short video..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h9MVbkpLZQ

Interesting topic and thru research , I have learned a lot more than I knew..Suprise :)...Too bad we cant have these discussions without the animosity.....

* Last updated by: chrly on 10/19/2016 @ 12:20 PM *

Assist:

This is perfect. A perfect video for why all of your beliefs in ABS is so flawed.

Pause the video at :17. Look at the space between cone 3 and 4 from the right. Visualize this as a driveway, or intersection. Visualize another vehicle pulling or turning in front of the rider. Press play and continue to visualize a vehicle pulling out as the video plays. Or perhaps there's traffic there, or a breakdown, etc.

EITHER WAY, with brakes, ABS or MABS anything than anti-gravity or teleportation technology it results in an impact. So ABS, MABS, CABS, it doesn't really matter you've either as I've said low sided and slid off the road or got a good shot at grandpa as he's finally turned his head to see you getting read to join him in the passenger seat. This is the great lie of ABS. As I've said before, which is worse? Hitting the car upright? Or sliding off the road? This is why ABS only reduces your chances 20%. That means 4 out of 5 times something really bad's still going to happen! And that's saying with 100% certainty that non-ABS you would've had an accident.

So in reference to the above video. Here's been my whole point about ABS and how "ABS saved me".

So yes all these technologies are great. And in their perfect test scenarios indeed they do what they're designed to do. In the real world they have their minor impacts in the overall scheme of things. I mean, you can say "well Vic you'd have to be stupid not to see the benefits of MCS." No no no...you misunderstand completely. If you have to use your MCS every corner you take, then you got other issues. MCS should come into play for you, even the most aggressive riders, 1 in a 100 corners? If you're telling me "Well I want MCS because every corner I take on my non-ABS I lock the brakes and low side" then there's some other issue at hand. That rider can't say "MCS saved me".

So let's look at the overall picture throughout braking history.
No brakes - Very unsafe, most likely in the course of a 100 mile ride there's probably 100% chance of having an accident
Drum brakes - undesirable, at least the vehicle can be brought to a stop without trying to coast from 10mph. But just this alone probably reduces your chance of having an accident 90% in a 100 miles ride.
disc brakes - very safe, chances of having an accident during a 100 mile ride are <1%. So there's a >99% chance, with disc brakes alone, of making it back home to park it in the garage.
ABS brakes - very safe, chances of having an accident during a 100 miles ride are <.8%. So there's a >99.2%chance, with ABS brakes, of making it back hom to park it in the garage.
CABS brakes - very safe, chance of having an accident during a 100 mile ride are <.75%. So there's a >99.25% chance, with CABS brakes, of making it back home to park it in the garage.

ABS decreases your risk 20% every time you have some "close call". That's not much. It's something. But it's not like it doubles your chances of not wrecking. 4 out 5 times WITH ABS you're still going to have the accident! Now lets add in this cornering thing. How often will this stuff come into play? Unless you've completely dedicated your life to

Blah blah blah, Blah blah blah.

Wearing a condom doesn't necessarily prevent impregnation or disease transmission but better to wear one than not to.