The search on here is terrible. My 07 has a pcv installed and a custom map. It runs fine except in the lower gears at slight throttle openings. Its rough and surges. I wanted to try a different map but all the ones on dynojets website is for a pc3 on the 07. I have m4 slip ons, bmc and flies removed. Its runs great everywhere except in lower gear slight throttle openings. Are pc3 maps different than pcv?

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Are pc3 maps different than pcv?

Yep. PCV maps are not compatible with PCIII maps.

* Last updated by: Rook on 7/19/2010 @ 7:50 AM *

Its rough and surges

Surge Idle? Reset your throtle points when bike is warmed up and see if makes a diff. May not be your map. Sync issues maybe? Hub wrote a piece on this somewhere.

No, I think more I'd start with what you said to do first, Romes. Sync does not surge. Rough is more a clutch basket banging is a rough idle. No, I think the search is for Kruz' trick is the walk-thru to see if that accel pump is pumping too much on the dumping, or the X to Y on the grid map like you said, is to realign.

I have neither unit or we'd be making map. I'm making my own maps exploiting the OEM thank you.

I'm making my own maps exploiting the OEM thank you

Me no have brain for that, willing to learn tho

How do you set the throtle points on the pcv? What do you mean clutch basket banging?

* Last updated by: rebus20 on 7/19/2010 @ 3:10 PM *

Romans, Hub personally trained Jeffo, you'd be learning from the master! j/k Hubster!

Are pc3 maps different than pcv?

Yes.... PCIII maps will not work on a PCV and vice-versa due to a different number of columns in the map grid.

I had the same problem, the throttle points were gone or zero out. and when i throttle up my bike would spudder. some thing was not right. my solution was. i took my laptop in my garage and connected to the power commander5. then i contacted powercommander support via their support site. they remotely connected to my laptop and fixed it for me. they entered all the correct values. enabled the settings that needed it & disabled what was not needed. they also installed the correct map for my mods. when it comes to this stuff, idk sh*t. so i let the pros do the work, all it cost me was 1.5 hrs of time. runs good now. by the way i told them i had bought it 5mo ago so it fell under warranty. give it a shot you got nothing to loose. ( i really did have warranty. my brother messed with it and fu*&d it all up) i didnt tell them that.....

yeah the DJ tech support is good. I had a dj tech support guy change firmware in my LCD via internet. Pretty slick.

Rebus20 you can copy paste in one row at a time. Take the info from the pc3 map over into your pc5 map. Make your own blended map. Use your Custom map from 4000 rpm up and install new or all zeros in the bottom to find the stumble. Works. I hope this helps. Cheers.

Romans, Hub personally trained Jeffo, you'd be learning from the master! j/k Hubster!

I Think?????????????? Hubs making maps inside the stock ECU. Jeffo no can do that. Last I hear 06 & 07 ZX-14s ?

How do you set the throttle points on the pcv? What do you mean clutch basket banging?

Throttle points are what the directions tell you to do for your initial setup. I have no clue without product in hand. That is a Jeffo question, call me is call him is call him out and help the guy, Jeffo!! You're a member. Open source are we. If I had product, we would not be going through this. I stay stock. I do not need one [running stock pipes]... Sans, coming up with a question in a thread. I figure with enough pee-see owners, someone would piss up a How-To. You know I'd be pissing on it.
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Clutch banging: You want the long or short or add both together? OK, CB750's are notorious for a bellow kind of noise in the crankcase. A carb sync would solve the internal chain being slapped out of sync between, get this, the points are not perfect like FI. The carbs had to be sunk both low speed and each carb had to be sunk to the other as in equal pulses at the manometer.

See how much tune you had to match? You had to match both 1-4 points to match 2-3 points being equally firing at said crank position = Good Luck!

Next came the low speed screws that you just followed book and turn it out one turn. You know how much more tune is there, yet you just leave it at 1 turn out you follow book? Good Luck!

Last came the throttle 'idle sync,' where you have 4 carbs on their own, with their own slide at some idle position. You had to line up all the needles fluttering or merc levels to contend with back in the oldays.

This was the one and only cure to solve a knocking sound at idle, you pull the clutch in, the noise goes away = Simple sycn stopped the clutch from banging the locked plates back and forth in the clutch outer which then created the, "Bong Show." Budda-bing, Budda-BANG! All out of sync.
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Fast forward to today's FI, the points are gone and now it is perfect point to point in degree are the sparks = Smooth.

The elimination of each individual idle screw is now one screw for all 4 cylinders, eliminates [most of the] bang by leaps and bounds = Smoother.

Having the low speed screw select the best flow for each port [flows like a fingerprint], you now dial in the most = Smoothest.

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And when I say, "You have got to ride my bike"!... You are about to ride my bike, rebus!

NOTE: Sync first - Throttle point last. Yes, we will have a severe surge if the sync is out of a FI throttle body. Yes, clutch to chain to crank knock, we have the clutch pulled in, the noise goes away... In fact, go out to your bike, start it and pull the clutch in. Did it quiet down? Then you need a sync! One way of telling by a trained ear mind you, so start training yourself.

"Me no have brain for that, willing to learn tho"

Me have very few brain cells left so I have to hurry! Hurry right into a code. That is how on the ragged edge I am pinging that box from the outside. I am yanking or causing the machine inside to see my calc and then (((FI))) me in a wink! Very frustrating you think you have something and then...

So the wink-wink is, "Don't go there."

Don't call me!

So the wink-wink is, "Don't go there."

I think a few of us have had that experience before and it didn't even have anything to do with electronics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MP_G6arpVI&feature=channel

I hear that lytnin. On paper it works in a 2 dimensional world. Inside the box, there are only 2 words that talk to you and they speak just like a woman.

Ass you look at her, she speaks 1's and 0 dear me, she sounds like the others...

I think a few of us have had that experience before and it didn't even have anything to do with electronics.

Yes but, beer goggles can do funny things to a man. A 10 turns into a 4 at 8am.

2 at 10 turns into a 10 at 2

2 at 10 turns into a 10 at 2

Sooo yours was better looking,,, hmmmm got pics? LOL

Rebus20 where are you? Throttle points ? All fixed ?

No, just got off of work this morning. I am still not sure how to do it. On my fz1 you adjusted to 20 below the idling throttle position I believe, then you shut the bike with the kill switch and immediately twisted the throttle all the way and set the full point to that but I dont know if you use the same technique on the zx and with a pcv instead of pc3.

I adjusted the throttle positions but it still has a stumble between 2-3k rpms under a light throttle or holding it steady. If you rev with anything besides a slight throttle it revss perfect. I checked out the map and it is not custom. It is from dynojets website for m4 slipons and an airfilter. It is very lean from 2-3k rpms. I have m4s, bmc and flies out. I checked the pc3 map for muzzy slipons and flies out and it is not as lean through that rpm range. I am thinking of changing the values in that range to the muzzy map.

This is the first forum I have been on that didnt have a collection of maps somewhere for people to download and try. Its like a tightly guarded secret here. lol

When I had Muzzy slip-ons the best running map from Dyno-jets web site was M224-014 and I have tried them all. Try this Map see what you think.

I know it does not match your Mod list but works the best.

If you do not want to use this map just change to all zeros from 3000 RPM down. If stumble is still there, try with no filter. Just to see if filter is the cause.

Rebus,

Where you at in south Ga. I'm in west Ga (carrollton). I'll shoot you a PM with me number. I might can help you out