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Created on: 07/21/10 06:40 PM

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Shift shaft problem! Help!
07/21/10 6:40 PM

OK, I just had a slow drop onto the bike's left side.

It pushed the shift lever shaft 'IN', causing the circlip to come out of its groove (and bend the washer). Now I can push the shaft in & out. It stays in 1st gear & will not shift into any other gear. I tried re-installing the circlip back into its groove, but it made no difference.

Something tells me I fukked up something.

Any ideas?

So far, I've removed the clutches, etc. I'm down to the 29mm hub nut. Need to go to the NAPA store in the AM. I'm hoping I don't need any special tools, if I'm careful.

And yes, I do have the service manual PDF.


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RE: Shift shaft problem! Help!
07/22/10 12:24 AM

Page 9-38, second photo starting from the bottom up; Set that shift shaft arm back on the shift pawl as you see by the photo. Air hammer it [29mm] off or yes, you will need to hold the basket as you remove the nut any other way.

But first look at that shift shaft. When that cir-clip is installed, it has a cut and a round edge. The way you install that clip is to have the cut edge dig into the groove, you tip the bike over. That flat part in the groove has less chance of popping over if you had the round side or the clip reversed. So the cut side should face you when installing the clip.

Here is where the eye has to inspect that shaft and how durable that groove is for another round of thrust at it? Look at that one side of the shift shaft's groove, see if it is sheered away? You can't have a warp at the washer. There is a little slop pulling the shaft in and out, but not much, where it would pop over the pawl dogs or the star washer with the nipples.

You have to make sure the tiny spring (C) is pushing the shift arm up that shifts the pawl dogs. Page 9-39, second photo down from the top. You will push that shift shaft against the big clutch outer without the cir-clip in place. This pushed the shift fork or spring loaded arm up and off the shift star.

When you pull the shaft back to install the cir-clip, the spring loaded arm has enough give to rest on the dogs, not sit under the nipples sticking out or the dog bumps. If you can push the floating fork arm back down and under the dog protrusions, there is where you can't shift the gears. There is where you get away without pulling the basket off.

However, lose the spring, then the riveted on fork arm drops down caused by the spring popping off. Again, another way that shift drum cannot move if the shaft is off the shift star.



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RE: Shift shaft problem! Help!
07/22/10 3:44 AM

Here are some pics, may help, click here

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RE: Shift shaft problem! Help!
07/22/10 7:04 PM

Thanks all. I removed the clutch basket assembly and the gear assembly behind it.

Ah, ha. The little spring that fits in the 2 little holes on the shift shaft was toast (bent). I ordered new spring, circlip, spacer & clutch hub nut from Bikebandit.

Here's what it should be:

Here's what I found:


There's a bit of damage on the screw head, but I think it'll be OK. I ordered one just in case.


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RE: Shift shaft problem! Help!
07/22/10 7:51 PM

Perfect time to install EVO kit. You will glad you did. Just a thought. Cheers

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RE: Shift shaft problem! Help!
07/22/10 9:13 PM

What'a an EVO kit?



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RE: Shift shaft problem! Help!
07/22/10 9:42 PM

Hey Romans,

I ordered the kit from Factory Pro.

If it don't work, I'll send you the bill!!!! :)

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RE: Shift shaft problem! Help!
07/22/10 9:49 PM

tflndav,

http://www.factorypro.com/

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RE: Shift shaft problem! Help!
07/23/10 8:42 AM

+1 on the EVO kit. -bg

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RE: Shift shaft problem! Help!
07/23/10 9:04 AM

You need to catch that shit behind the clutch basket the shifter tore off. You can hammer that spring wall back, file the rest off that protrudes out.

If, IF, that shaft dropped and popped, then the shaft should slide right out. IF the shaft is hard to get out and you have to pull hard, then the shaft is bent, will elongate the seal and cause a leak if reused.

Order a new cir-clip with that bent washer being replaced with the new shaft. A new seal wouldn't hurt. My way with the seal is to push the shaft in place. Lay plastic wrap over the shift spline. Grease the seal, slide it over the covered spline. Then slide the seal flat to the case. Take something like pvc pipe over the shaft, push the seal in.

I push those shifter shaft seals in by hand, no tool needed.



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RE: Shift shaft problem! Help!
07/23/10 9:07 AM

BTW, see the far left side of the spring where it is sheered off? Feel for a nick in the spring. You have a nick, she is going to crack, then fatigue down the road and break. Now that broken little guy is going to fly who knows where behind that spinning clutch basket and cause?????????



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RE: Shift shaft problem! Help!
07/23/10 9:30 AM

Hub, in addition to the EVO kit, I ordered all new parts: spring, circlip, washer,& the bolt that is a bit mangled, and a new hub nut...no offense :)

I will check the shaft also.

I'll also run a magnet around to see if there's any bits. I had just changed the oil before this happened.

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RE: Shift shaft problem! Help!
07/23/10 7:50 PM

I ordered the kit from Factory Pro.
If it don't work, I'll send you the bill!!!! :)

And I will pay.

Thank me later.

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RE: Shift shaft problem! Help!
07/23/10 7:57 PM

A new seal wouldn't hurt.


Hub gives good advice. My bike is great. Steve has leak. 50/50. Bad odds.

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RE: Shift shaft problem! Help!
07/23/10 8:05 PM

What'a an EVO kit?


click here

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RE: Shift shaft problem! Help!
08/05/10 5:45 PM

Fixed it all myself. So far, it runs fine. Installed the new parts including the FactoryPro shift parts. Now I are an expert! :)

We'll take her out on a hot run tomorrow.

Yippee!!!

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