Feel like I'm repeating myself to a point of sounding like a broken...
14r ecu flash plus spray or boost $20 000 and bye bye H2

H2 uncorked at 250 hp at $30, 000 and ugly doing it. Will not eat a performance enhanced 1441 motor.

Thus no eating is taking place in Toronto. Sorry!
Here Kitty Kitty Kitty.

Cblast, can I ask a question or two about the H2/14R dyno comparison?

Was the H2 100% stock (it looks that way)?
Was the 14R worked with mods and flashed?

I have no affiliation with the H2 and love my 14R with no intention of changing.

But would it be fair to say a new raw product was tested against a product that has had years of development added to it?

Nothing against you C, but that wouldn't strike me as being a particularly fair or accurate comparison.

And when development and flashing technology is added to the H2, well things may just change?

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H2 uncorked at 250 hp at $30, 000 and ugly doing it. Will not eat a performance enhanced 1441 motor.

Quote from doc holiday in tombstone...."I'm your huckleberry"

My 14 doesn't run out of boost.

Here KItty KItty

When I run out of spray, I'm sure running NA on a bike that tops out at 170mph will be dealt a side order of "kiss my ass!"

Remember the H2 is geared short with a top end of 170mph. My 14r will do 204mph. Bye bye!

Love Toronto!

I'd say the H2r is superior firepower. The H2 made a big mistake not offering r level performance figures on its street versions.

So 30 000 plus spray 5000. Will get near 14r 15000 plus 5000 spray (100shot) or turbo. Are we really even discussing this?

I admire your blind confidence in the H2 as superior firepower. But I don't agree with you.

It's not blind faith really just remember what RG said the more you rev it the more power it makes and from the percent throttle openings 35% at 13k just add 65% more throttle above 200hp. Now if the rev can be extended to close to 14k another level yet. Sure it is expensive but maybe same engine on a new model some day. Now you will come in second with similar mods flash and pipe and gears.

Kawnow has totally got it.

Sorry boys...this bike seriously trumps the 14...in every area.You must ride this thing to actually KNOW what it's able to do and feel like.And I loved my 14 for all the years I rode one.This thing is stock right now...performing like this now...I can't even imagine what modding it would do...it's a really incredible ride...seriously.

^^greenie I look forward to seeing you put a few lads in their place. I hear the bike is powerful. And good. Racing head to head, I'd run a 14r any day over the H2. When the H2r is avail for street duty thenb I'll invest some interest. Right now I'm just filling bottles and kicking ass!

Last point is anyone running the H2r?

Crickets right?

It is ugly in a way only a mother can love. But the R is the bike to buy.

[quote]It's not blind faith really just remember what RG said the more you rev it the more power it makes and from the percent throttle openings 35% at 13k just add 65% more throttle above 200hp. Now if the rev can be extended to close to 14k another level yet. Sure it is expensive but maybe same engine on a new model some day. Now you will come in second with similar mods flash and pipe and gears./quote]

Yeah, but this is a road bike remember and who wants a road bike where you have to rev it to 12k+ to get the 'extra' power? Not me for one. Where's the expected mid range power and torque of the 14, and then some? The testers at Qatar were impressed with the acceleration and pull out of the corners but from what Cblast say's they've achieved this with lower gearing? Hmmmmm......that sounds like a bit of a cop out to me. I guess everyone has their own thoughts on the ideal characteristics of a good road bike but when I buy a big cc road bike I want big cc road bike performance = huge low-midrange grunt and not have to rev the hell out of it. JMO

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"^^greenie I look forward to seeing you put a few lads in their place. I hear the bike is powerful. And good. Racing head to head, I'd run a 14r any day over the H2. When the H2r is avail for street duty thenb I'll invest some interest. Right now I'm just filling bottles and kicking ass!"

LOL..You da Man Wolf master.I won't REALLY be putting 'ANYONE' in their place;)Not intentionally anyway.She rocks...sweet rocka bye baby.Showing mercy is the gift of kings.This is the King Kaw.Masterful...leveling..ball busting.Two wheels on a dark pavement,searching,stalking.

The R1m is probably the most track focused road bike produced to date and has so far cleaned up on track tests against it's rivals thanks to it's all-round engine, suspension and electrons package. That was obviously Yamaha's aim from the drawing board. Do good race bikes make good road bikes?

That's the machine I'm looking at, from what I am hearing this is going to be the new top dog in the literbike class due to refinement and handling, seamless TC etc., the complete package. It will not have the most rear wheel HP, that honor still goes to the S1000RR but the Yamaha is going to be the new track king I think.

Now, if ya wanna see some dreams crushed, wait till I post the R1M sheet...

Do post, I'm guessing 170 HP at the rear tire but ultrasmooth and linear power delivery like the ZX-10R. I'm not interested in huge HP where I ride, my ZX-6R is actually my favorite machine now due to the twisty nature of the roads in my new area. I can use more of what the 6R has and the corner speeds are epic. Different strokes I guess.

Where are you guys riding at these speeds? Here in Texas, 30 mph over the limit = Go directly to jail, license suspension and forfeiture of your bike, not worth it IMHO. These new bikes are for the drag strip or mile events.

"The H2 made a big mistake not offering r level performance figures on its street versions. "

BOOM! Nailed it.

I think they lost the impacct of their *built beyond belief* PR line, when they really mean *a mellower version of what was built beyond belief*.

The first ever supercharged production bike is doing what BMW has been doing for 5 years? And a slightly tweeked ZX10R can also do?

I guess I am missing something here. Is the street version's engine running at a great disadvantage of the ZX10R and S1000 where the forced induction is only bringing it up the their level of output?

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Yeah, but this is a road bike remember and who wants a road bike where you have to rev it to 12k+ to get the 'extra' power? Not me for one. Where's the expected mid range power and torque of the 14, and then some? The testers at Qatar were impressed with the acceleration and pull out of the corners but from what Cblast say's they've achieved this with lower gearing? Hmmmmm......that sounds like a bit of a cop out to me. I guess everyone has their own thoughts on the ideal characteristics of a good road bike but when I buy a big cc road bike I want big cc road bike performance = huge low-midrange grunt and not have to rev the hell out of it. JMO

Let's look at the facts we do know as to what kind of engine this is. It is a low compression 8.5 to 1 1000cc with 50mm throttle bodies and a impeller style supercharger. What can you expect from this setup and what did Kawasaki want? Are they giving us something we never asked for? Not really it seems there is a unwritten horsepower cap from the manufacturers at about 200. You're not going to get more stock. Impeller type superchargers are slow to build power coupled with a low compression 1000cc engine spells weak bottom end and mega top end especially the 50mm throttle bodies and revised port design. Now if you look again at the two dyno charts Cblast provided the H2 horsepower output follows the 14 almost exactly only about at 1700 rpm higher. To me that is all it will do given the setup provided. When the ecu is reworked it should make the kind of top end power that the design allows and the 14 cannot make. I think and it sounds like with the gearing it pulls as hard as any bike which is good but has a turbo style wallop on the top end. I don't see a problem except it cost mucho more but might still be worth it.

Boom Nailed it

H2 makes my 10 look slow

C any chance you could run a 14 with a stock exhaust then the dyno print out

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7V4kMSXKn9g

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Hmm...the H2 pulls this old ZX-10R up to 160 mph from a roll on but I was expecting a bigger gap for twice the $$$$. Not sure about mods on either machine, stock the 10R is geared way too tall and the H2 has short gears. On a track, roles would definitely be reversed.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo20tcAzA2A

Assist.

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Hey Darryle, and the couple others that have asked this question, yes, I will try and get to it this week, I will run a stock 14R, and the H2, and get the sheets and an overlay. Just been a crazy busy couple of weeks! The thing that needs to be made clear here, yes, the H2 has the potential for more top end, but, the factory cammed and tuned the street version different for a reason, if a pipe is added, fine, if we start turning up the rpm limits and reaching for more hp, the valvetrain maintenance schedule increases hugely. The H2R needs a top end check and possible adjust/rebuild every 15hours of riding. Tune up the H2 past about 215-220 and what we are gonna find is a top end that requires a large increase in service attention. Higher rpm operation equals much higher heat profile when boost is involved, heat equals wear, heat equals maintenance. Just my humble opinion. And that 50hp deficit at 8000 rpm wont be overcome by increasing peak performance. Different machines with different focus.

The 14 and 14r has always responded well to a good pipe and tune,don't know about the gains with slip-ons, but a good pipe and tune should net about a 10% gain in horsepower Sae corrected, my opinion is based on reading and talking to a very experienced gentleman named Lang Hindle,don't know what gains to expect on the H2,but 10% and its weight factor will certainly bring tears to a lot of 14 owners.im tearing up just thinking about it

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