I love BBQ, but I'll be having whiskey instead of beer.

Tall,
With 200+ hp, it's hard to lay all of that power down to the road perfectly on the street because to be honest most streets/roads were built for general commuting. From a dead stop or a roll in first, my bike has a tendency to lift it's head--even with the 4.75 inch stretch or break the back tire loose. It has even broke the back tire loose at well over 100 mph on some road surfaces.

The best traction that I've ever gotten was on the interstate where the road was concrete, but as we all know that's a very cop intensive area to be rocketing along.

In reality, it going to make very little difference if your bike makes 202, 208 or 215 rwhp--it's still going to be hard to put that power down to the road on the average street/road.

Personally, I'm satisfied with my bike's setup --any more power would be unusable unless I were on a well-prepped drag strip and performed a proper burn-out before blasting down the strip.

Just my two-cents.

Cheers,

Ivan's flash = Super smooth, has been tuning bikes forever, local (my personal choice)
Brock's/Guhl flash = Same programmer (its an option), not as smooth as Ivans. Swapped ECU's with a buddy for a day of riding and shenanigans (Sorry Brock!)
CBlast - No experience with him, this is the first bike he has ever flashed. Maybe he nailed it???
Romans= Nice guy, been on the forums years and a turbo freak. No experience with his flash.
ECUnleashed = Garbage,They used my 2012 bike to make that flash and it still went into safety mode often. Put Ivans ECU in my bike and I was sold.
Schnitz = $75 dirt cheap but no ignition maps

With 200+ hp, it's hard to lay all of that power down to the road perfectly on the street because to be honest most streets/roads were built for general commuting.

Agree,but it sure is lots of fun trying lol.

In reality, it going to make very little difference if your bike makes 202, 208 or 215 rwhp--it's still going to be hard to put that power down to the road on the average street/road.

SkewedtoTheLeft, yes agree but this is Not where the Flash Shines. Yet, all we do see is Dyno sheets to describe the flash. UGH! And Yes you are very correct no one can feel 4hp gain. Well not me anyway

I was just reading your Mod list. What I did not notice was if you removed your secondary throttle plates. I tell anyone who asks me to Start there, remove them. Now,Feel the difference. Now add your pipe when you get the money.

As I see it, My opinion only. Take it for what it's worth. Truth we are talking

Flies out does indeed change the behavior of the bike. Especially where "you" the street rider spends 99% of your seat time. Now when the bike is flashed that feeling multiplies as the timing & fueling maps get pushed forward. This is our 3D effect. Fueling, TPS, RPM Throttle plates, All linked. The more we open the plates in the Map the more you the rider will feel even though flies are removed. It's Fu.king Awesome. Now if you have not tried this it you just don't know.

For the street rider, this Alone is what has given fuel to 99.99999 percent of what all these flash opinions are based on. The Dyno Means nothing here. Street Rider knows instantly the bike has changed. More to it than this but I hope most of you can see where I'm coming from.

So, Am I Making sense? Without the Flash you will Not Feel This, and yes you do want it if you want to feel that bottom end pull. I have read where some guys call the bike jumpy, some just love the responsiveness etc.

Now as far as flashes go, the C'Blast Flash has the most Aggressive Early Fly opening Bar None. (And yes I have seen them all) Hence the boys love it. And until you have tried it you have not tried it.

Now if your a Drag racer only that point becomes mute. Their gains are all in the timing map. Which I still believe needs allot more track side study. ET to be gained here I know it.

As for my own flash. I always been custom flash builder. Any way "You want it" I have street tested anything and everything you can possibly think of at least a hundred times. Tell me what you want and I will build it to suit you needs. My personal belief is you do not need 100% fly opening at cruising speeds. our 14s data log 70 mph at less than 10% throttle. Do you really want you fly open lol ? Remember what I said fuel does come with it. But if you want it ok I get it.

Fly opening is where guys are comparing the flashes. To me it's silly. Tell your tuner how aggressive you want him to be, make him build it your way or move on.

There is going to come a time when you the customer can pick through whats on each page of your ECU map and choose your options based on your needs. Exactly like how I flash my car. I have choices. Timing maps based on fuel etc Love it.

To all who read this my hopes are you can clearly see it's all still old school we are just taking the corks out in a different way. More corks out equals,,,,,, No rocket science here, very sorry if you were told there is. Zero Magic.

Please feel free to let me have it if you do not like what I have to say. Maybe some good comes out of it. Once the secrecy is gone we can all move forward make the flash world a more honest place.

Romans= Nice guy, been on the forums years and a turbo freak. No experience with his flash.

Seno, I am harmless and always tell the truth. That makes me unpopular with some. I'm thinking I'm too old to change now. I'll take the Nice Guy and run with it. Thank you. And to honest that's all a man can ask for. I can still look in the mirror. Now if my hair would stop falling out lol

As for Boost freak, oh ya, you have got me pegged bang on. Luv Luv Luv it.

This is now my Daily street Map. C-16 bumping up to 465hp plus. More Power Captain. Look at the tire ripping torque at 7500 RPM,,, Sweeeeet.

Wolfman, if you're really interested in buying an ecu that's been corrupted email me.

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Ok, here comes the FNG perspective. And don't beat me up for talkin in the Gen2 threads. Yes I have a Gen1. I think Romans pretty much nailed it in his 9:04 post. I have been riding for a lot of years. Started off on a 76 Suzuki GT750 pretty sure most of you know it as the water buffalo 3 cyl 2 stroke. graduated to the 92 ZX11 because it was the fastest production motorcycle in its time. I still have it, my wife now rides it. Upgraded to the 06 ZX14 last year an love it just a little less than I love my wife. Ok maybe more but don't tell her that.

I see 3 kinds of riders out there. Me I'm in the middle somewhere I guess. Probably like the majority of riders.

1 Those that really can ride a bike to it full potential and need to be able to have the tools to tune there bikes to the n-th power.
2 Those that will really never be able to use the full potential of the bike but want that grin that you couldn't beat off of me with a baseball bat.
3 Those that really shouldn't be here because they are a threat to themselves and others around them.

Most of us are probably good with a flash and I am sure some are better than others and we all try to ask questions so that we get steered to a good flash instead of a brick as some have stated.

I happen to live in the PNW and ran into Sebastian and Nels. There are other tuners around here too but they were open, informative about what I could expect and I feel I made a good choice. And after riding Sebastian and Nels flash you couldn't beat the grin off of my face. Every day I ride I love my bike and how it performs even more. I hope everyone feels that way about their flash or tune. I would probably feel the same with Romans or any other genuine enthusiast that took the time to make me feel like my interest was important and delivered on what was promised.

Does it really make sense to compare apples to oranges or does it just add confusion and misunderstanding for the most of us out here enjoying this incredible bike.

OK I'm done. Tell me to shut up and go back to the Gen1 page if you want.
Peace.
Dave

Maybe it was mentioned already?

But, I have read that the shinko drag tires will cost some H.P on the dyno. Some have posted up to 10 h.p.
Once I get a spare rear wheel, I plan on finding out myself.

That may be where Wolf lost his H.P?

Anyone wanna take a stab at it? Get it wrong... I'm going to rip up your abstract in pure science so it better make logical sense... as if I know the difference so it better be real simple in moves is a hint.

Rick I'm looking at a factory race ecu for a 2003 6RR 225 US,good deal or bad?the bike is already track ready

If your talking about the Hook up. They say it's dyno drum grabbing the the soft compound tire.

I can understand the initial elasticity of the tire coming into play, but only at the beginning for MAYBE a second or two. The only way I can imagine it actually changing the amount of HP measured is if it turned into a rubber band long enough to generate extra spin on the drum for at least 30 seconds. What am I missing?

With the Shinko Hookup, my bike with Alien Head 2 exhaust and PCV (before my custom tune)--I only dynoed at 189. The dyno operator took off the Shinko and put a stock tire on and it climbed to 202 hp. He then custom tuned the bike and pulled 6 more horsepower out of it. But of course I had him put the Shinko back on after the tune.

And besides the lower dyno numbers, the dyno was shredding my Hookup to pieces.

Looks like I'm late to this game.

I run the C-Blast Flash. I know Sebastian and his tuning partner Nels quite well. I've used Nels' services on every motorcycle I own. His credibility combined with Sebastian's work ethic are what told me that the C-Blast flash was going to be a winner.

The flash does a couple things to really maximize the potential of your motorcycle. It removes the nanny features, derestricts it, and optimizes the A/F ratio. The bike pulls harder everywhere, and its already refined manners are even smoother. Want a tame little pussycat? Ride it at 3,500rpm. Want a raging beast? Wick it up to 5k and hold the fuck on.

To be honest, all the flashes are likely similar. There is only so much that tuning can do to optimize output, and all of these guys are pushing the limits. I'm sure the other vendors do a good job. What sets the C-Blast flash apart from just the numbers game is the service. Sebastian pours his heart and soul into this work. I've met very few people with the work ethic, passion or intelligence that Sebastian brings to the table. He'll work with you at every step of the game, and go as far down the rabbit's hole as you can handle discussing theory.

Go with the C-Blast flash if you want a great experience coupled with the highest level of performance.

Flashing can go wrong on occasion. I had the ECU on my 2012 ZX-14R flashed by a well known person on another forum. The bike ran great but showed an error code. I sent it back after he contacted Justin to create a fix. They installed it and sent it back. Got a different code. I sent it back and forth numerous times and they flashed it back to stock but eventually the ECU got fried. They finally sent me another stock ECU and covered all my shipping costs and could never figure out exactly what happened. So it's not always burning rubber and shit eating grins.

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"What sets the C-Blast flash apart from just the numbers game is the service. Sebastian pours his heart and soul into this work. I've met very few people with the work ethic, passion or intelligence that Sebastian brings to the table"

This is what I have been trying to say all along, thank you Trailboss for saying it so eloquently, I really
doubt ANYONE has put in more hours on a flash for the 14R than C, I remember him calling or texting me in the
middle of the night, SEVERAL times, saying "Ive been up all night, I found something ......" and he still does,
there is more coming, I will let him tell you when he is ready ...

I sent it back and forth numerous times and they flashed it back to stock but eventually the ECU got fried.

Tall, even With all the evidence, you still turn a blind eye.

contacted Justin to create a fix... Got a different code.

Signed,

The computer starts at 0.

Thishit is over my head.

They finally sent me another stock ECU and covered all my shipping costs and could never figure out exactly what happened. So it's not always burning rubber and shit eating grins.

Finally, someone else willing to post the truth. You are so correct. Not always shit eating Grins for either party.

I myself have personally destroyed two forum members ECU's. One was a 14R Cali ECU the other was a Gen1 Cali ECU. Not a Good Feeling. In both cases a brand new ECU was purchased and sent out to the member no Questions asked.

What I will never understand is why the happy customers wave their flag so high while the poor guy that had His ECU destroyed keeps quiet and heads underground in some kind of shame. This is wrong.

So can someone please tell me what's wrong with telling it just like it is ? Pretending all is perfect in flash World provides misinformation. Members have the right to know what they are getting into. Only from here can they make a informed purchase.

You guys need to know, Yes, "Their Are Risks" anyone telling you different is a ,,,,

Please don't misunderstand. I highly recommend getting your ECU flashed, but then again you must know I'm selling it too.

arizcowboy your most certainly not alone in this. ECU's shown in this pic that I'm working on are not my own. All have have been sent to me for study. Once these ECU's start showing signs of trouble,,,,,,,

Thanks for the support Romans. After hearing the throngs of happy results on the forum I thought I would show the other side since the original poster asked. I'm just glad I didn't get screwed out any money. The tuner was a standup guy and truthful throughout the whole ordeal. He ended up eating a lot of money and time. All I lost was about a month of downtime and numerous trips to the post office for shipping. My ECU was a 14R Cali model and they thought that might have been part of the problem with the unsuccessful fixes.

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Hopefully you guys can forgive my ignorance here... but what exactly happens to the ECU during a flash that can damage it?

I'm no programmer, but I'm having a hard time understanding how software alone can create permanent damage to an ECU.

The hook-up absolutely robs dyno horsepower readout. It has been proven time and time again in reputable shops throughout the country.

Ariz wrote. "So it's not always burning rubber and shit eating grins."

Ah-ha! Good line !

I have also considered having my bike flashed but as you pointed out, I'm also concerned about the potential damage it may end up doing

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The PCV is supposed to store maps for all the gears, those six maps for without flies would seem to be a good way to go, anyone try it? And if so, maybe share the maps?

Hopefully you guys can forgive my ignorance here... but what exactly happens to the ECU during a flash that can damage it?
I'm no programmer, but I'm having a hard time understanding how software alone can create permanent damage to an ECU.

The question I also ask (again cause I got no answer the first time) maybe those where things went wrong would come in here.
What are the symptoms of a flash that didn't work? Besides the obvious where the bike would not go? How would someone know that they got a "bum" flash?

good chain, bad chain, can give a variance of 7 bhp, that comes from the dude who cuts the roll of chain and installs new chain after every BSB race,just to throw in another variable ; )

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