RE: save ur money kruz
11/10/14 3:41 PM
The H2 will replace the 10r that's a fact boys.
Extrap. I'm snitchen and telling wolf. You post whore

BADMANFROMTHEBADLANDS

Negative, would not be legal for racing with the blower and at 524 lbs wet it's almost 100 pounds too heavy. I dunno what KHI was thinking, this is a entirely new category of machine. The 14R has the hyperbike/sport touring segment well covered and the 10R is the weapon of choice on the amateur racing grids, that leaves the H2 exactly where in the grand scheme of things?

* Last updated by: Kruz on 11/11/2014 @ 6:20 AM *

that leaves the H2 exactly where in the grand scheme of things?

for the guy that got a shit ton of money and put the bike on a diet and buy a TRE to unlock the H2 . its going to either be the badasses mudda fukker or a poser point show case. I think it going to whoop the shit out of everything after a TRE install and a diet

"I think it going to whoop the shit out of everything after a TRE install and a diet"...

Funny...almost everyone said the same thing about the 14R(the criticisms)....I'm not seein the 14R owners ditchin their bikes;)I don't know WHAT some of ya'll want in a sportbike.All the weight on the H2 is wrapped up in that exhaust...easily corrected.As for a TRE...I don't know really what that does...but a good flash(probably just to reset some engine parameters)will most likely be all that's needed to raise that HP level to mid 200's.Remove that tail section..another several pounds.Throw some Carbon Fiber wheels on there...for this bike...and Voila!There's your 400+ lb bike.As for the fins and such...didn't anyone read the specs on this bird?They're not a gimmick.Or a styling statement.This bike is a no BS killer...True enough...a guy won't be riding around at over 200MPH very often...but I think for sport riding hard and fast...this baby is gonna rock really well.

And I'm not sayin this because I ordered one...I'm sayin this cause I know Kawasaki quality,and I think I understand their philosophy when it comes to building a sportbike.Maybe I'm full of shit...maybe I won't like it.I can't see that happening though.I really think the ride quality is gonna surpass the 14.Just a gut feeling.New frame.New rake and trail.New suspension.Not remakes.Gobs of great electronic aids.Worth 25K?..IDK.We'll see.I think after some light modding...25K is gonna seem...VERY REASONABLE.

The top of the line new sportbikes that claim to be all that...topping out at what..190+HP...and then what?I think most of those MSRP prices are at 22K...somewhere in there?For 3 K more...you have a reliable in house designed Supercharger/engine with a potential to hit 300 HP...or more.They aint even started massaging the H2R motor.

This for me is a one time deal...last bike I'll ever buy.I know that.I'll have the best of both worlds.Will I ever 'track' this bike...doubtful.Will I rock through the Montana badlands and canyons?Absolutely.You can bet after break-in...I'll have my GPS set up...then we'll see.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/11/2014 @ 10:05 AM *

And I'm not sayin this because I ordered one...I'm sayin this cause I know Kawasaki quality,and I think I understand their philosophy when it comes to building a sportbike.Maybe I'm full of shit...maybe I won't like it.I can't see that happening though.

Woaaaaa! Greenie, you got one! Holy crap! Did you really?

http://zx14ninjaforum.com/messages.cfm?threadid=019CB56A-9CCD-6FFE-8C6A55EB5E139784&show=0&page=16

holy CRAP! Kruz, Grn beat ya.

heh-he. Selling your BSTs and Ohlins because you're afraid of going too fast. Yeah, right Greenie. i see what you been up to. rolling up a bank roll and turning the 14R back to stock. You all see where this is going.

I can't wait to hear the reviews.

Well...'afraid" of going too fast on the 14R on the street...ticketwise.But I've learned to rein in the bad girl.I will be keeping her...my beloved 14R...still the queen bee.Her ride is incomparable for what she is;)

We were just discussing that tonight. Will Grn keep his 14r? I predict you will dump her off for a good price after you ride the H2 three weeks into next spring.

I have a hunch Kawi is going to get out of the hyperbike game altogether. I don't know if they ever managed to top the busa in sales even with the 14r. They're taking off in another direction, the hyper-literbike market. If so, that means the end of the 14. I just hope the knowledge that has accumulated about the 14 doesn't fade away before I learn it all. The Gen 1 is getting to be an old bike. People who have gone the farthest with modding 14s move on to other bikes. I could be the sole survivor around here with a bunch of newbs asking me what to do....and I won't know what to tell them.

"I predict you will dump her off for a good price after you ride the H2 three weeks into next spring"...I can't say now if I would or not..naturally.But IF the new H2 even matches the ride of the 14...notwithstanding the new engine and all it is...then I may be hesitatingly willing to turn her over to a good home.Two big points for me...ride quality...and ergos.I WILL be riding all over this state...so it'll HAVE to be at least as comfy as my 14 is.If it can cover that...it'll definitely be my ride of choice....I'm waiting now for the on the road reviews...just how well it stacks up to the 14.

"They're taking off in another direction, the hyper-literbike market. If so, that means the end of the 14"...nah...I don't think so..the 14's a killer ride...well suited for an older crowd.(or draggers).Or anyone really who can get the max out of it.It's a challenging bike to master...for sure.It isn't going away...nope...just gonna get better with time.That's my thoughts.This supercharger thing though...you can almost bet the other MFG's are gonna HAVE to get with it.The interest in the H2 already has said a lot about the future of these configurations.People want em.It definitely is opening up a niche within the literclass motorcycles.A BIG one.A money making one.I'm feeling fortunate I can start out on a literbike this advanced....I really don't think I would have felt the same about a Gixxer or Yammie or any other brand...they all to me seemed so....'markety".I didn't want that.And I don't care a bit about 'fastest on the track' either.These roads are awesome.I wanted an awesome machine to enjoy em....that's why I got my 1st sportbike...the zx12R to begin with...and now...this.If the progression of quality holds true with the H2...from where I first started....it's gonna be a great time to be riding for me personally.I've seen this advance of rideability and fitment and ease of use go on up higher and higher with each new Kawasaki flagship model.It just gets better and better;)

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/11/2014 @ 9:06 PM *

Rook, I love my Gen 1.
There will be no sale here.
If we are the definite minority with these then so be it...

I don't care a bit about 'fastest on the track' either.These roads are awesome.I wanted an awesome machine to enjoy em....

Gave it a lot of thought. I`m out on the H2. I decided to upgrade the front end on my 14 and be very happy. Now,if I could only find that cool looking factory windshield somewhere with the holes...

Bad, that Hayabusa is timeless, a real classic, just hopes she puts on some riding gear.

Ditto on my Gen 1 ZX-14, I plan to keep it for a long time.

Grn, good on you bro, can't wait to hear the ride reports on your new H2.

A lot of new bikes coming out for sure, things are going to get interesting, just wondering if Suzuki and Honda have something up there sleeves.

Y'all have prob already seen this, butL

$25,000 H2

$50,000 H2R

Grn, any chance you might change the order to an H2R? You could rig up a light on the front and a tail light somehow. Bar end mirror. I suppose you would run into a problem if you tried to register it or get a license plate.

You could skip those as long as you don't ever get caught.

* Last updated by: Rook on 11/12/2014 @ 11:59 AM *

"H2R Service intervals every 15 hours of use above 8,000 rpm." You won't spend that much time above 8k rpm.

My CANNON makes 115 decibels. The H2R exhaust makes 123. I can't quite imagine that. "please check if your closed course race facility allows noise of this level." "modification of the stock exhaust may impair performance." Can you live with that, Grn? I think you can. Earplugs.

"run into a problem if you tried to register it or get a license plate."...not here...they'll register anything...long as it costs;)

Just gonna drop those cannons..headers(maybe)and get a set of those upper wings(just for looks mind you)....plus a nice flash I think....that should open her up some...who needs that H2R?;)(for parts maybeLOL!!)Oh yeah...almost forgot...remove that right side ram cover(replace with the H2R screen)...(you know...she has to be symmetrical and all;) )

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/12/2014 @ 5:33 PM *

"H2R Service intervals every 15 hours of use above 8,000 rpm." You won't spend that much time above 8k rpm.

H2 is going to be really finicky as well. Be careful with mods I don't think they'll go smooth. The power to weight ratio is not appealing to me. Besides, Japanese bikes and cars appeal use to be bang for your buck. I rather spend 25 k on a Italian bike.

On a different notes, I am so glad to have waited this long to get a liter. 2015 is the year. My number 1 option is the new Beemer if the price is not too high, option 2 the Yamaha if ergos are right. Can't wait to take it on the track!!!!!

@Kruz: I bet the H2/R is going to run super hot lol

Green sorry if I am killing your buzz, that being said I know you will enjoy regardless.

* Last updated by: dragking on 11/12/2014 @ 9:36 PM *

"Green sorry if I am killing your buzz"..nope...you're not.That maintenance interval is for the H2R.

"H2 is going to be really finicky as well".Really?Hmmm....okay...

I know NOTHING about racing,the bikes...or their maintenance requirements.15 hours for a track only bike to me doesn't seem odd at all.Or extreme.They say...service.Okay...just what do they mean by...'service'?Plug change?chain adjust?Oil change?nut and bolt checking?Tire wear check?Leaks check?Parts checks?That seems to me to be what ALL race bikes go through....15 hrs is what?How many races?How many laps?It's a RACE bike.The H2 is NOT a race version.They knew this going in.I think it's not gonna be much different than ANY sportbike that's street ridden.Hell...at street speeds and such...it may even be LESS than the current models out there....it IS ahead of all those...fitment wise and quality build wise.Just as the 14R was ahead of it's earlier sibling...I think this bike is gonna be well ahead of the rest in all areas...including maintenance.The street version that is.Just my opinion knowing the advances Kawasaki has come out with since the first 14..and even before that from one new model to the next...they all got progressively better in every area.I'm just not seein...'finicky'.

They've been usin superchargers on their watercraft and snowmobiles for a years now...are they finicky?

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/13/2014 @ 12:45 AM *

The H2 will be no differant than any other liter bike....aaaaa well it will have a shit ton more power and the biggest thing missing from liter bikes TORQUE at a lower RPM! But there is no way it will be finicky. I take my 10R to the track all the time and she's modded to the hilt. After every two day track weekend I always change the oil and go though and check everything no differant from when I come back form a 3000 mile ride on the 14.....these manufactures know more that people are giving them credit for that's for sure. They are not going to build a hand grenade and tarnish their image you can count on that. Do I think some will blow up? Sure because some dumb ass pushed the tune too far and that's not the motors fault. I will flash mine for sure but I will also make sure I lean twards the side of caution and reliability. Just sayin :)

* Last updated by: Somefun on 11/13/2014 @ 3:57 AM *

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vAo0LWQFxdE&feature=youtu.be

I just want Jay Leno's garage!

* Last updated by: Kruz on 11/13/2014 @ 5:42 AM *

We can speculate all day long but until the hardware actually arrives, we won't really know. Bottom line, the H2 has to outrun the ZX-14R in the quarter mile and on top speed, otherwise what is the point? Handling at 524 lbs wet, will fall somewhere between the 10R and the 14R, you cannot argue with the laws of physics here. Ergonomics should fall between the ZX-10R and the ZX-14R, splits the difference on comfort. So the new H2 will outgun the 14R on the dragstrip and be a little better handling on a closed course with a little less comfort. The 10R will still rule on a roadracing course but loses ground on the street due to shy midrange and lack of long distance comfort. The low end grunt on the H2 will be monumental, it should feel like getting shot out of a cannon. I'm sticking to this narrative until proven wrong.

I think a stock H2 will outdo a stock 14r in top speed, both bikes with top speed limiters disabled. They claim the race model has already done 230, remember?

I think a boosted 14 or busa would be better for top speed than the H2. I don't follow LSR too closely. I don't recall 230 mph being common at all, even with boost. I wonder about the H2R's claim of 230 mph.

@Green: yes they have had the technology but watercraft is a total different ball game! I am not saying there will massive recall or anything like that. What I am saying is that, the super charger is going to bring is own set of problems. Also I am anticipating that adding a pipe and mapping would be more of a challenge on those. In other words, it's going to be hard to get more out of the H2 and that's what I meant by finicky.

@Kruz: the tq numbers are impressive but you know the actual numbers will be lower. I believe the 1098 made 90 lbs of tq, is way lighter but of course doesn't have the hp of the H2. The H2 is going to be the best compromise. A little heavy but still lighter than a ZX-14R and better power numbers than anything out there. I think it will be the fastest thing on two wheels in stock form. However, there are several things that bug the hell out of me and this is why I am not interested:
1. The absence of fairing: this thing is not going to crash well
2. The weight: hopefully you can get it under 500 lbs with a pipe but again this thing won't crash well
3. The price: most liter are claiming 200 hp this year and most are well under 20k. No active suspension, just TC and quick shifter
4. I have watched several videos/demos: it seems all Kawasaki is pushing is the mind boggling acceleration i/e this thing won't corner well
5. Simply put: this thing is ugly BUT it's all subjective
What I like about the bike;
1. The screen is awesome: numbers light up as the rpm raise
2. The sound that super charger and an Akrapovic pipe would be sex for the ears
I can't wait to see a fully modded 14R (minus motor) going after that H2. Price wise they are close and I think it'll be really close at the track as well.

Honestly if I wasn't into track days or already had a good liter I wouldn't be so harsh on the H2/R. I am just not into "in between bikes" anymore and I think my 14 scratch that itch pretty well.

* Last updated by: dragking on 11/14/2014 @ 6:39 PM *

"it seems all Kawasaki is pushing is the mind boggling acceleration i/e this thing won't corner well"...LOL!!!well...one DOES accelerate through and out of the corners;)It's a track bike platform....I don't think that 'not cornering well'...which you've stated here as fact[I think].... is even a concern(meaning...it'll corner killer) with Kawasaki with this machine.Of course it's gonna corner well....look at it.It's a carving knife;)

As for the supercharger being problematic or finicky....that's kinda silly IMO.They've been doing this for years as I said....So it's on two wheels instead of the water.This is NOT the same system they're using on their watercraft.Totally designed for this application...but not like...some new idea.It isn't.They know what they're doing.You saw the vids...okay...but did you READ the design parameters and engine changes they made to adapt to this deal?They don't need a 'water' platform to make this efficient or 'safe' for a motorcycle.Their Turbine engines in their aircraft aren't failing.Why would this?It's really very simple for them to accomplish this...they're not stupid.

"I think my 14 scratch that itch pretty well"...yup...it does...totally.You have both...that's very cool.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 11/14/2014 @ 6:53 PM *