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Thread: Methanol Injection Install

Created on: 03/15/15 03:21 PM

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Rktsled


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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/19/15 9:09 PM

I had a turbo FJ1200 witha big bore kit, didn't have room to mount an intercooler. I had an adjustable wastegate and when I turned up the boost I had a lot of detonation problems, lucky I didn't lose a piston or a valve. Tried dialing back the timing but then it ran like crap when boost was turned down! I scrounged around a junk yard and found a windshield washer tank I could mount in the fairing, held about 1 gallon. With a little creative plumbing I made a spray bar, used a high pressure electric fuel pump, and mounted a switch on the left bar. After install I could advance the timing, run boost up, and no more detonation problems. I used plain distilled water, no methanol, tank was good for 2-3 high speed runs. Actually worked fairly well! Had to play with the size of the spray nozzeles a little, but after that no more problems. Was fun to play with.



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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/19/15 9:12 PM

Rook, not sure where on the forum I saw it but someone recently had a nitrous bottle under the rear seat cowl. Thought that was a GREAT mounting idea, not to mention it would be sneaky as hell!!! Love devious minds!



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Wolfman



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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/19/15 10:00 PM

Thanks Rook. The beastiality of dem Turbo queens.
Turbo's gonna need a runway to beat a bike on spray. The only blowing by happening is the Nitros bike disappearing as the Turbo is spooling. However if we had a full mile and not a quarter than yes. Blowing plates.







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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/20/15 7:13 PM

I had a turbo FJ1200 witha big bore kit, didn't have room to mount an intercooler.

Very cool indeed. Rktsled you must have some pics of the ole girl. would be great to see them.

Turbo's gonna need a runway to beat a bike on spray. The only blowing by happening is the Nitros bike disappearing as the Turbo is spooling. However if we had a full mile and not a quarter than yes. Blowing plates.

Wolf what are you basing this on ? Of course you don't really believe that. Or do you ? As a Blanket statement that is just "Not Accurate".

Real street class. Bikes with extended swingarms, bolt-on street turbo's and dry nitrous kits,” continued Valetti. “These are all potential racers.

In 2012 Real street class. Count the boosted bikes. Cool vid. I like the #'s the Busa ran hopping down the track. Rider never lets off.


I think he was talking about the adapters I'm making (plan to make) for my DynoTune nitrous bottles. See my last post on this thread, first paragraph with pics.

Yes, need brackets to hold bottles to side of bike now. Rook yours are black and nicely hidden.

Currently I have a few different sizes to play with. This I won't be able to keep hidden. grrrrr. My current bottle is under the seat but is only 4oz. I wanted to fill with NOS and have the blow off from the shifter send the NOS into my turbos charge tube. A little shot of Cooling would have been the main advantage. Of course now this is no longer needed.


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Wolfman



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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/20/15 8:04 PM

Did you see the vid Fazer posted…
say's it all no?
I've seen you and beast on the Turbo bikes. You need a lot of real estate to put it down.
Click Me


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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/20/15 8:15 PM

Did you see the vid Fazer posted…says it all no?

That's a street race wolf. There is of course no doubt that sniper guy is nicely set up and has talent. But we the viewers are given ZERO #'s to back up the run. That video brings nothing to support "Turbo's gonna need a runway to beat a bike on spray"

Now if you want to show what NOS is capable of. Show this. Pro Street. Truely BAD ASSSSS,,, sweet

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Wolfman



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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/20/15 8:21 PM

That's the street

Yes the place where we race. Us, me, you, Beast etc.
Yup appropo video no?







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Wolfman



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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/20/15 8:24 PM

hey cool vid…waiting for Mav to chime in and call that cat slow…
or perhaps, "he is not on a stock wheel base, blah, blah, blah!"
Maverick…


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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/20/15 9:09 PM

appropo video no?

No. Can Not Support a Blanket statement Like the one you posted below. Sorry Wolf if you really believed it could.

Turbo's gonna need a runway to beat a bike on spray. The only blowing by happening is the Nitrous bike disappearing as the Turbo is spooling. However if we had a full mile and not a quarter than yes. Blowing plates.


Video supports Viper was faster, that's all. Does not have anything to do with Nos is Better than boost or All Motor Kawi versus Suzuki or what ever your into.

hey cool vid…waiting for Mav to chime in and call that cat slow…or perhaps, "he is not on a stock wheel base, blah, blah, blah!"
Maverick…

Wow wolf, where are you going with this ? Changing the topic ? Sensing Anger ?

I've seen you and beast on the Turbo bikes. You need a lot of real estate to put it down.

Wolf really ? Yes we do, of course we do. Point these Boosted bikes and hit it, 200 mph comes in a blink.

Ok Fish on. I assume your End Game is goading me into saying something I clearly don't want to. Well you win here it goes.

Just to show you how silly your Roll On Adds are. I'll give you 15 bike Lengths From A Dig or Roll On or on One Wheel. Some lessons in life you must clearly learn the hard way. 1000 a head.

Sounds like free money,,,, or does it lol? Here kitty kitty.

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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/20/15 9:29 PM

I am lying in bed, and having an awesome laugh at how serious you are taking all this. Mavi too would know I am just being a clown and trying to start shit. In fact the insane chest puffing that goes with the turbo is laughable. Lets put our pot bellies together and measure girth not horsepower.
if you want me to be astoundingly honest I have only seen the turbo power in a straight line or from roll on.
the advantages had always been - straight line, head start, I'll catch you with real estate. Im running 199hp on a stretch and you want to pit your turb out…come on who we kidding. Lets go from a dig and run the quarter. now we are having fun. no hook needed, I am happy to race any cat on any bike…

racing friends is not a competitive endeavour that will force me to chase builds with my wallet, it is just fun. win lose draw, I'm 42 with kids, having fun. not goating you. I should say for the record I should not sabotage the thread and take it off topic. its a bad habit of mine and not intended to slight you, man.

if you want to chest puff, I hope you do, run me on beasts bike, that might be fair.


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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/20/15 9:34 PM

oh and as for 1000 bucks line…
the day I race my Na set up agains a boosted bike in a straight line that goes on and on…


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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/20/15 9:36 PM

now on videos Ive seen some peeps go fast, your posted vids are good examples. Just have not seen it on the street.







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Wolfman



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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/20/15 9:39 PM

I like my roll on pics.
because a roll on is a roll on, they are fragrant…not useful or skill full Ive often joked about them. key here is JOKE, juxtapositioning the two.
so we chums again, we good?
Back to Meth injection.
From what I read I think you are hatching a good plan with the kit, is there anyone in the cross hares?


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Romans


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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/21/15 8:50 AM

I am lying in bed, and having an awesome laugh at how serious you are taking all this.

Wolf I don't have a serious bone in my body. You know this. My worry was that you clearly believed what you were saying. Nothing could be further from the truth.

if you want me to be astoundingly honest I have only seen the turbo power in a straight line or from roll on.

In most cases people who see only that do not step forward with, "Hey Rick, please stop so we can race from a Dig". Case and point you have never once suggested it

I'll catch you with real estate.

Sorry Wolf, No you wont. Next time we are out we really need to run this race. From ZERO to 200mph. This is the only way you will ever truly understand what you are thinking is so misplaced. Bring your video camera and post it.

I like my roll on pics.

I know you do. I've seen you post it a few times lol. What I love most about those posts is it sure sounds like you guys have talked yourselves into believing it. Which makes my fun showing you in real life that much greater. It's All Good.

Here is why I think the Roll On Theme you have come up with is so funny. The ones who talk this way are not educated in the Science of that much power so early in the RPM. It is also very hard to explain as most will still just not get it.

I will try and make this clear as I can.

If you look at this Dyno Sheet you will see at 5000RPM we are sitting at roughly 100ftlbs of torque. Look again at 6000RPM 170 ftlbs. In keeping it simple, if you leave the line revving 6000rpm with a stock bike your pulling just over 100ftlbs. I leave the Line at 6000RPM 170 ftlbs. see where I'm going with this ? How is it the Roll on theory could ever have any legs ? Yet some believe. More to it than this wolf but hoping you get the jest of it.

Turbo Bikes are Notoriously Difficult To Launch. Too often the masses confuse this with "Turbo Lag". Most simply put, this is Not The Issue.

Stock bike has the edge as it is Generally not trying to Eat The Rider lol

so we chums again, we good?

Of course. We still Need to run this race just so as it becomes clear.

is there anyone in the cross hares?

Yes there is, and always has been, and will only ever be, Me. Every Run is for me only.

Each time I get off this beast I smile for two hours. Bike excites me and scares me all at the same time. Being a lifetime Adrenalin Junkie from birth, this bike feeds the craving for "More Power Captain" completely. It's just so much damn fun.

All that other crap in Grandstanding means Nothing to me Wolf. This bike is a Toy Only and that is all it will ever be. Nothing more. The ZX14 has the title of being by far my Favorite Toy though. Can't tell you guys how much I love it. Obsession maybe.

Lol family knows take a look at my B-Day card from the kids.



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Wolfman



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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/21/15 8:51 AM

^^thats a beautiful card. Awesome. Happy B day Pops!

Good on yah, you are a blessed man!

"Racing from a dig" You've never suggested this either?

"Race straight line...lots of real estate - sure but what's the point?" Machine with most power\wallet wins. I am suggesting it takes minimal skill level to race straight line from roll on. Hence pic. Surely your not suggesting it takes skill to race from 3 grand in third gear. Because that's all I see you do. That's not an insult. That's just what I've seen.

A quarter mile street race a booted or sprayed bike victory. From a dig ie start side by side. For money is a marriage of skill and money spent on engin. That my friend is my point. Always has been. Look at your build Romes. How much have you spent? Roll on victories straight line is a win from the wallet. Not skill. That's it.

If your only desire is to race yourself, why are u calling me out. A naturally aspirated 14? No gadgets, electronics or boost. No progressive controller. Just a dude with a flash and quick shifter? You've flexed enough wallet to know you'd win. If the video confirms the dollar ego let's go. I'm still gonna race you all out heads up. Win or lose I'm down.

Have a great b day.


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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/21/15 8:52 AM

Hey sweet card bud. Took some time to make that and very accurate too.
I'm afraid the way my turbo bike is going I may not even be in the hunt this year.....sad sad days


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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/21/15 9:16 AM

Thanks guys. Getting older is not so bad when your sport is these bikes. I'm sure I will be riding into my last days. What's really crazy is I was looking at a Goldwing for second bike. Must have hit my hit head somewhere along the way lol.


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Wolfman



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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/21/15 9:50 AM

^^ as a secondary bike. Why not. A replacement. No way!







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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/22/15 8:49 PM

so how'd the bday party go?







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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/23/15 11:23 AM

You get a gold wing as a second bike and I'll shove a jar of ghost pepper sauce up your ass



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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/23/15 12:51 PM


I take it back. No gold wing!







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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/23/15 10:36 PM

Lol, ya a weak moment over it.

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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/26/15 9:32 PM

If there is no pic it didn't happen, wish I could post pictures of my turbo FJ. Several years ago my wife and I went to the lake on Sat morning and came home later in the evening on Sun. We came back to a pile of ashes and a few bricks. The house caught fire late Sat night, early Sun morning due to a short in a ceiling fan we always left on. We lived on the edge of town and due to the late hour the house was totally engulfed before anyone noticed and fire dept arrived, literally lost everything except the clothes we had on. We lost many sentimental items that had been in our families a long time.

We were fortunate to have wonderful friends who provided us with a roof over our heads along with many donated items to help us thru the crisis. NO amount of money can buy friends like that and we were grateful beyond words!!!

I also lost two motorcycles, countless numbers of speciality tools, and many other things. You suck it up and move on but it isn't easy at first.

Had pictures of me on my first real bike at age 14, a Honda super 90, unfortunately no way to get them back.



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RE: Methanol Injection Install
03/27/15 1:48 AM

We came back to a pile of ashes and a few bricks. The house caught fire late Sat night, early Sun morning due to a short in a ceiling fan we always left on. We lived on the edge of town and due to the late hour the house was totally engulfed before anyone noticed and fire dept arrived, literally lost everything except the clothes we had on. We lost many sentimental items that had been in our families a long time.

OMG, I can't imagine. You and your family sound like a very strong individuals.

I would like to talk to about your AFR #'s with Methanol. I'm currently looking for less than a full point drop. What I really want is half a point, then I'm going to lean AFR for even more power. Slippery slope here. A conversation would be great. All input helps

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