Awesome guys! Glad to hear you came together, for the betterment of all. Good or bad

Great words Rod442 "Betterment of All" is the basis on which these forums were founded. Respect! The science lays down the only true facts, that part of it Can Not Be Changed. Facts are simply Facts. Ego's just get in the way and muddy the water making it hard for anyone New to extract what he or she is trying to find out. Skimming off the Drama hurts the head for most. I know some like it but that will "Never Be Me" !

Honor, Any testing that is shared and becomes knowledge for all to use(Not just flashes)deserves the utmost respect. The decision to follow or to Ignore is always been left up to you the rider. It's simply a choice we all must make. I Don't get the rest of it, never will. I guess Money is the root cause of all other brainwashing. Sad really, but is Life nonetheless.

If any of you guys have ever followed Lee's progress with All these 14's you will know the amount of time he puts into the science of our beloved bikes is extreme. Some of the truth's he has posted in the past were not popular with some but still they were posted for us all. His honor has never been for sale. Love it

Also What he is going to do here is allot of work. Not merely plug in ECU make a runs as some may believe. More to this than a 8 second pass. You could ask no more of a man. A true Credit to our sport, we are very lucky to have him working and testing for us all. Great read Cheers

"Awesome guys! Glad to hear you came together, for the betterment of all. Good or bad "

Great words Rod442 "Betterment of All" is the basis on which these forums were founded. Respect! The science lays down the only true facts, that part of it Can Not Be Changed. Facts are simply Facts. Ego's just get in the way and muddy the water making it hard for anyone New to extract what he or she is trying to find out. Skimming off the Drama hurts the head for most. I know some like it but that will "Never Be Me" !

Honor, Any testing that is shared and becomes knowledge for all to use(Not just flashes)deserves the utmost respect. The decision to follow or to Ignore is always been left up to you the rider. It's simply a choice we all must make. I Don't get the rest of it, never will. I guess Money is the root cause of all other brainwashing. Sad really, but is Life nonetheless.

If any of you guys have ever followed Lee's progress with All these 14's you will know the amount of time he puts into the science of our beloved bikes is extreme. Some of the truth's he has posted in the past were not popular with some but still they were posted for us all. His honor has never been for sale. Love it

Also What he is going to do here is allot of work. Not merely plug in ECU make a runs as some may believe. More to this than a 8 second pass. You could ask no more of a man. A true Credit to our sport, we are very lucky to have him working and testing for us all. Great read Cheers

Well said Romans. I've followed many of his threads and if something works he praises it. If it doesn't he lets us all know too, no matter the source of the item he is testing. In dealing with him as a business man I've found him to be honest and ethical. Looking forward to seeing his results. I have no doubt we will all be better off for it.

Don't feel the need to inflate or attack Lee's credibility. He just does not have my ear, nor do I need him to confirm, or renounce what I like and what I don't. That is a simple blunt fact. I don't wake up in the morning and wonder, I like my flash because (insert reviewer name here), or I love or hate my bike and the way it runs because (insert tuner)...

Feel like somehow my primal comment has been somehow interpreted as drama, or an attack. Smoking is just not my authority. Nor do I need to stay tuned on anyone's review. Money has nothing to do with this...I have countless times replaced mods I didn't like with other mods. Not because of the review, simply because I didn't like it. I think this is now stated as plainly as it can be stated!

Ps when folks like me, average dudes like me, like something and share it, I generally don't feel they are manipulating me to buy or not. It's a review for us, by us. I read those reviews too. Some I consider closely others I do not. Not everything said about performance mods is motivated to sell a product nor is it motivated by endorsements. If I like something, I state it, if I don't I state it. I don't see guys like C, Nasty, Mav etc as chest thumpers, I see them as dudes with my passion. And when they win something or get excited about a mod or new development I hear it from over here and get excited too. If you love your set up - write about it. You don't have to be an expert to count. If you have something to teach, post. But it's up to us to read, consider and move on an idea depending on how it sits with us. Many solid paths here. Many strong leaders. I don't think arm wrestling over which way to go has ever been an interest to all who belong here.

Rook has 10 000 posts and many are generous teaching tools. Now that's a cat that gets my attention. He's done nothing but elevate my understanding and game. Woolich for example has 100 posts. Many have been geared to selling product. Smokin how many instructional posts you got here?

This is our house, those who contribute here make an impression. Those passing through tourists, well thanks for being here, welcome!

* Last updated by: Wolfman on 10/14/2014 @ 6:57 PM *

I did add a bit to the mix....I know you didn't taunt or anything...just having some fun...no harm intended.I guess you'd call it...cinematic license?..poorly done I might add....;)

I'm not mad at u, Romes or Smoking. I value all three of you as men, focused racers and ardent admirers of my beloved Kaw. Ain't Noone upset here. I've always had an independent mind set. I listen and read Hub, Romes, Greenie the list goes on. Some times I agree, sometimes we are on point and sometimes we divert in opinions. I'm not shy about disagreeing. And when I'm wrong I will openly admit it.

* Last updated by: Wolfman on 10/14/2014 @ 6:38 PM *

I will do the testing just as I would for my site ZX1441R.com .. If it works it works , if it doesn't it doesn't .. I told this to cblast and he was 100% fine with that ... Think of it this way ..Even if Cblash flash doesn't go faster while drag racing doesn't mean it's not good , it could be the best street map for everyday riders but not the best for drag racing ..What it does mean is if it's is not as fast cblast and Nels can adjust it based on the info I give them ... If it runs the same ET and MPH as my Brocks/Guhls flash it is still a win win because you guys can skip buying the P/C .. If it faster it's a win win for me and everyone else ..The way I look at it is there is no down side to this testing ..It will give you guys options just as you have now when buying a pipe or any other mod ..

Now when the test numbers start to come in don't think you are going to see great jumps in ETs and MPH , they maybe very small increases or decreases .. When you are running 8.40s a few hundredths is a big big gain ..It takes a lot extra HP to gain a full tenth of a second at these speeds .. A few hundredths would be great !! But more important is will it make the bike easier to ride fast and make the bike more consistent ..I feel that tuning with the ECU should do just that Vs tuning with a P/C ..In drag racing you have to keep in you mind that I only use a very small part of the power band .. 5500 out of the hole to 11200 in first gear , the rest of the gears 9500 to 11200 is all I use .. Low to upper mid range is only used in first gear ..It is very possible that Cblash flash may shine better at daily riding and road racing where you use the low and mid range power band ..Using the back half numbers at the drag strip 660 feet to 1320 feet will tell us what map makes the best power up top ..60 foot to the 330 is more rider than anything , How well the rider can control the power and make use of it .. But the back half numbers in drag racing tells the real story ..I'm hoping for the best , that 8.39 pass has been dogging me for over two years ...It would make my year to see that 8.30 pass .. :)

* Last updated by: Smokinzx14 on 10/14/2014 @ 7:46 PM *

Thank you for being such a gentleman Smokin! And thank you to wolf, your support has always meant a lot, and you have been there since day 1. Grn, I love your writing! Don't stop, it's very good, it has a tempo to it. Good stuff bud! Romes, man, we are gonna have to have coffee and conversation one of these days sir, it would be very cool to hear about your boosted girl! I got to ride a pretty cool turbo blackbird today runnin 10lbs of boost and makin about 270hp, I was spooling that girl hard up in 4th and hammering on her trying to imagine what ANOTHER hundred horse must feel like! WOW! Made me whoop in my helmet!

Everyone's contribution has been great, I love this place! We all learn and benefit. Can't wait Smokin! Can't wait!

Thing is to be honest, nobody on this forum besides 2 maybe 3 people should worry about the differences between Brocks, Ivan or Neil's flash to name a few. Also how is testing a flash at a different time offer factual evidence? There are always corrections etc but they are just that, corrections.

That being said, it still going to be great info to reflect on.

HUB! buddy you need to slow down lol
That one line: Well, when I see the elixir wagons pull thru like a $50 hit over the phone, I have my instincts pop up. I think I'M HAVING ONE.
had me rolling on the floor. You're one f'up dude
Green too with his comments lol Just too funny!

* Last updated by: dragking on 10/14/2014 @ 8:51 PM *

I was just talking things out to myself as I typed and that popped in my head. It kept rolling as I kept typing. I was chuckling and had to use it as a goof.

Look, I have nothing but respect all around. Egos are left at the door and now we can see a disconnect with one pass after the other same day. With all the switching back and forth of one ECU swapped for the next round, one is going to average out and there are the numbers for the day.

Flip the map on and run that map even up just for a throwaway at both ECU's. WATTS a frequency among friends, right?

CBlast, first and foremost, Congratulations on you Awesome accomplishment! You have obviously put in a LOT of time and hard work fine tuning the ECU and you have my utmost respect!!!

Over my 49+ years of riding I have owned a lot of different bikes, on my 3rd ZX now and it is one of my all time favorites. Even though I have not used one of your ECU's I have enough sense to read and learn. My business has always been to read and evaluate based on common physics, common sense, and personal experience. After having absorbed a lot of different views and reviews of your work my "professional hat" is off to you.

Well done!!!

* Last updated by: Rktsled on 10/14/2014 @ 10:19 PM *

Thank you so much RK! I absolutely love what we are doing everyday! We attack it with passion and intensity and it has been challenging and inspiring all at once! Couldn't do it without y'all! Your kudos means a lot man!

Mav got into the 8s and it wasn't with your flash . Case in point I know of one ZX14r at stock wheel base with no ECU flash that runs 8.80 @ 159 .. Two more that run 8.70s with a Guhl flash and Brocks tune at stock wheel base , one more that ran 8.60s .. As far as top speed Shanes bike was faster same day same track .. So what did you Prove ?

I'm really at a loss here with all this chest pumping and post after post from Cblast about a flash that has set no records and broken no records ..I'd still like to try it and see if I can break my record but that got shot down by Cblast .

I'm not mad at u, Romes or Smoking. I value all three of you as men, focused racers and ardent admirers of my beloved Kaw. Ain't Noone upset here.

Of course Not, all is good.

"So what did you prove" is the words that caught my attention. If you proved it means you ran the science. The thread is "Proven Results". Now you got me, fish on. Great Read.

Thank you for being such a gentleman Smokin! And thank you to wolf, your support has always meant a lot, and you have been there since day 1. Grn, I love your writing! Don't stop, it's very good, it has a tempo to it. Good stuff bud! Romes, man, we are gonna have to have coffee and conversation one of these days sir, it would be very cool to hear about your boosted girl! I got to ride a pretty cool turbo blackbird today runnin 10lbs of boost and makin about 270hp, I was spooling that girl hard up in 4th and hammering on her trying to imagine what ANOTHER hundred horse must feel like! WOW! Made me whoop in my helmet!

Very "cool to hear about it" ? Na,,,,, We trade, stories mean nothing. A boosted 1441cc motor makes arm stretching torque that cannot be described. That 4 sure is a story that must B experienced. When Armed My Bike is fully Automatic and will not move until RPM goes 7000 RPM and Turbo is spooling using Time Programmable Rev Launch Limiter. When Clutch switch makes hang on the F.ck on. That is a ride you won't soon forget. Promise ! Pint after 4 sure.

Everyone's contribution has been great, I love this place! We all learn and benefit. Can't wait Smokin! Can't wait!

C, smookin runs eight fives on a stock bike, going to be Awesome to see what he can make her do. I too can't wait. Good Times

"Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing
you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius.
Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world,
are the ones who do."
Steve Jobs

"Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing
you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius.
Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world,
are the ones who do."
Steve Jobs

Quote the billionaire that died at 56 because he refused modern medical treatment for a type of cancer there is a high success rate of beating.

Kinda like voting for Obutthole twice, eh Vic?

As is Tanks point. He died forging his own path. His value for self direction caused his death. I see no fault with Jobs. Had he fought the cancer the medical way there are no guarantees in life. He gambled, he lost, but he did it his way!

Nasty swing arm installed yet?

Kinda like voting for Obutthole twice, eh Vic?

SSDD (not what you think..same shit different dick)

He died forging his own path. His value for self direction caused his death. I see no fault with Jobs. Had he fought the cancer the medical way there are no guarantees in life. He gambled, he lost, but he did it his way!

Let's look at more Jobisms: how about the one where he advanced the human race by opening a slave-labor facotry in china where quite a few workers found it better to jump off the roof and kill themselves than work for this brilliant POS.

The reference noted above was directed at how he fought the cancer. I have a feeling if I say orange you will say banana.

The reference noted above was directed at how he fought the cancer. I have a feeling if I say orange you will say banana.

LOL you're the one that replied to me!? Now you're trying to turn it around make it look like I'm the bad guy?! So maybe it's you that will say banana when I say orange?

And nothing says hypocrite more than name of Jobs if what you're saying is the case. Calling his mind numbing products and slave labor based company pushing "the human race forward" is tantamount to saying Obamacare actually solved some healthcare crisis.

Vic, the quote from Steve Jobs from FrankTheTank was just simply a quote from a man. He didn't list his opinion of Steve Jobs, he merely listed his quote. Whether he had a slave labor camp or had sex with his mother, is in my opinion a whole nother subject. The quote itself does have merit in my opinion, whether it came from an asshole, dumbass, or WHATEVER! Can you at least agree with that?

Sic

Vic, the quote from Steve Jobs from FrankTheTank was just simply a quote from a man. He didn't list his opinion of Steve Jobs, he merely listed his quote. Whether he had a slave labor camp or had sex with his mother, is in my opinion a whole nother subject. The quote itself does have merit in my opinion, whether it came from an asshole, dumbass, or WHATEVER! Can you at least agree with that?

Other than your dumbass last question, this is a brilliant post. The ending nearly makes me want to disregard the entire thing and lump it in with the the other retarded shit defending Jobs. You accuse me of being insatiable, yet you are exactly the same yourself just by throwing in a dumbass snarky question at the end.

But I won't, because although I think unintentionally, it actually contrast well to the original point of contention in this thread: does the cblast flash actually provide the performance it's thought to provide, in the same way does it matter the source of a quote?

This goes back to my point which got everyone here in a hussy about performance upgrades a couple monnths ago. Do they actually make a difference, or is it more-or-less the rider feels better and has more confidence because they've done something they wanted. Is there a measurable performance difference not just rider feelings, that is the question here. That is the question I'm interested in having answered. Just as does it matter who a quote comes from. Subjectively it does matter, objectively it doesn't.

I'd also like to see some test regarding road racing performance. A lot of people here like to ride curves (with their 14) not rails. It would be interesting to see how flahses (cblast and other) actually impact track times. Even if cblast flash doesn't perform as a strip flash, which frankly I could give about 2 squats about, might it still be a great flash (i.e., actually improve performance objectively, not subjectively) for the street and track? I'm not asking subjectively about feelings (it feels smoother, it feels faster), but objectively about lowering times.

I'll take other's words that this test will be objective. I'll withhold my judgement on that until I see how it was conducted and the results. My prediction is cblast flash will probably perform on par with other flashes. But I have nothing to go by than the rider feedback here on this forum. Because all the positive statements by all the riders here about cblast performance, it probably better damn well live up to it given the feedback on the forum. Personally, I'm hoping it does.

Vic, thanks for your response. Honestly, you didn't let me down. Somehow I knew you would respond the way you did. I can't find in my post where I accused you of anything at all. I was merely trying to find out if you could agree that the quote irregardless of where it came from may have some merit, foresight, wisdom, etc... in it. You responded saying I accused you of being insatiable by asking if you could agree? That's truly what you based calling it a "dumbass snarky" question? If you re-read my post, at no point did I attack you personally AT ALL!

I tried to weed out all the other stuff and see if you and I agreed that the quote itself had some reasonable attributes. You DID resort to attacking me and honestly, again, you didn't let me down. I really can't relate to your rationale in that. Maybe you can find plenty in this post to imply that I'm a dumbass, horses ass, dickhead, or any number of other things. Most, if not all of which you'll probably be right about!

Sic

What's up Sick. I personally think it is impossible to make another man look "bad."

We cast our own shadows.

Hey brother Wolfy! I absolutely agree buddy. Your a good man. Thank you.

Sic

Do they actually make a difference, or is it more-or-less the rider feels better and has more confidence because they've done something they wanted.

Sounds like you never changed a sprocket in your narrow career of owning bikes? When did you start, a few years ago on some worn out used '84 pile? You'd step up your game if you removed the rear brake so you are forced to use the fronts. Then when you hear about high performance brake pads you can laugh about it. But being a snarky dumbshit you think you can ride like you need to upgrade?

* Last updated by: Hub on 10/15/2014 @ 10:24 PM *