Cap, did rachaels PERSONAL bike have any kind of flash ? I don't remember ..... Thanks

Cap, did rachaels PERSONAL bike have any kind of flash ? I don't remember ..... Thanks

It couldn't got 201 without one.

Let me rephrase that, what flash did rachaels bike have ?

Hahahahahahahahhahaha, if I am a yutz touring to work, than you sir hub are on an electric scooter.
Love it Hubs
Mad love

So basically your arguing about an ass dyno, stolen maps and hack job tre!
Ok I will bow now!!!

FrankTheTank; Like I said, my opinion. I guess I don't see genius in manipulating numbers in someone elses software. I would equate it to using photoshop really well. Like I said, time, work, talent, effort, way above the call, and my hat is off to anyone successfully making sense of flashing ECUs, I could never do it, but I still don't see the genius. If you drop that label too easily, then 99% of the people on this forum are geniuses in one way or another. I personally am in the 1%, and proud of it.

I have been following this post for some time now and have come to a conclusion. I don't think it matters whose name is on a flash, someone is going to trash it because they KNOW someone else has a better one!

carabuser Shane did it with woolich stuff , but all he did was remove the top speed limiter ,he just got the flashing tools and had no time to play with it .. He also had the clutch mod but didn't have the time to install it ..

* Last updated by: Smokinzx14 on 10/17/2014 @ 5:14 PM *

Fuck am I confused,cblast flash I saw a nice smooth air fuel ratio. Romes I felt a great improvement in low end response on an 07 14 , my 2012 was mapped by a manufacture who was developing his own exhaust.am I biased? I have known Lang Hindle for 40 years and respect him for his honesty dedication and integrity.please show me the benefits of a flash over a custom PC5 map,Smokim I'm listening,Hub laymen terms let's have some good imput

Shane does his own ecu's with woolrich I believe. So yes Rachael's bike did have a modified ecu..

Let's look at this logically.
•You don't need a pig to adjust fueling anymore.
•You don't need it for ignition mapping (in fact, a PCV can't smooth ignition mapping like a flash)
•You don't need it to remove factory restrictions
•You can't use a pig to unify cylinder or gear mapping
•You can't use a pig to remember and retain traction control settings
•You don't need it to run a quickshifter.
•A pig can not smooth any of the IATS, TPS or ignition maps by a factor of 9.
•The woolich/zeitronix auto tune capabilities are light years ahead of the pigs. (Reading and making fine tune sugested adjustments towards the target map down to a tenth of a percent).

The power and the flexibility of the woolich software allows building of a quality flash that requires the rider to simply ride his machine and enjoy. Never has to worry about a pig, or a malfunctions with the pig itself, or the ecu not liking it spliced in.

So, what is its benefit? A pig doesn't bring more, nor better quality power. It used to be the only option. It is not anymore. And common sense and logic speak to the fact that it isn't needed to get a 14R to run absolutely flawless. As per charts and vids and customers going out and proving it, etc. So if it isn't needed. And it can't perform certain tune functions that are valuable, the logical answer is that you don't need one. There is ZERO advantage. Technology has moved forward.

* Last updated by: Cblast on 10/17/2014 @ 9:12 PM *

The "does Not suck".
Comes from the movie Arther with Dudley Moore.
Nobody said it sucks
I just like the line and seemed appropriate.

He ends the movie saying " being rich does not suck".

* Last updated by: capt10ed on 10/17/2014 @ 8:41 PM *

That's funny right there Cap! I forgot about Dudley! That movie was hilarious!

Shane does his own ecu's with woolrich I believe. So yes Rachael's bike did have a modified ecu..

carabuser Shane did it with woolich stuff , but all he did was remove the top speed limiter ,he just got the flashing tools and had no time to play with it ..

Fuck am I confused... Romes I felt a great improvement in low end response on an 07...

but all he did was remove the top speed limiter ,he just got the flashing tools and had no time to play with it

Which brings me back to watt I like to figure out are the guts inside vs. that's all she wrote. Whereas you are pushing the preset limit out of range. Whereas the parts are preset so there and there is so much range like the TPS or the Sub sensor. And if you move those ever so slightly out of those given numbers in the book = Limp.

There is absolutely zero benefit to a pig in the low to mid-range, or top end. Tune the machine correctly. No limp mode either. Define the numerical range. Which is easily verifiable with a dyno or data logged. Difficult with an ass dyno to prove theories. I don't have theories about this stuff. I have knowledge based upon actual data and real time testing, and proving what is occurring, on a dynomometer.

Clicky=No limp mode here

•You can't use a pig to unify cylinder or gear mapping

Power comander V can do this.

"but all he did was remove the top speed limiter ,he just got the flashing tools and had no time to play with it"

But Shane does not start with a blank canvas, he starts with a guhl ecu map from Brock.
And let's not forget his 2012 is MORE then a little modified. Big throttle bodies must do something for top end and his carbon wheels allow him to get there quicker!!!
We're still comparing apples to oranges.
I'm just saying there's no way my stock 2014 zx14r cpu could have reached 204 in the mile and 208 in the mile and a half without a Cblast modified ecu

Difficult with an ass dyno to prove theories.

Ever feel the PAIR unplugged and tell how smooth the engine turned? Dyno can't assfactor that in.
Ever feel a GPS hit with either the 6 or N locked?
Ever feel a hack at all: seat of the pants?
Ever correlate the hack hit with a limp feeling flash hit?
Ever think a dyno will not show that kind of seat of the pants feel you look at a squiggly line?

* Last updated by: Hub on 10/18/2014 @ 7:18 AM *

Yes, I have felt what you are talking about Hub. And it can't compare to a properly built tune. If it could every race team would tune with ass dynos. Common sense applies. We didn't build our tunes exclusively on the dyno. Hahaha, that's funny. I should not have to re-state yet again the global approach we use. We use the dyno as a tool. We confirm everywhere. And we have provided proof and rider feedback from all situations. Street, track (circuit and drag), top speed, and everyday riding.

* Last updated by: Cblast on 10/18/2014 @ 9:28 AM *

Power comander V can do this.

Show me. Have you tried? Have you built a tune with one and compared the two? We have. You go build a unified cylinder and gear tune with a pos V and throw up some proof with a sheet etc. I would love to see that!

I make that statement Nasty, not because I am being glib, but because the features you attribute to the PCV are only for use on certain bikes, not all, and the flexibility of the software is not there. It's not as capable of fine tune adjustments down to a 1/10th of a percent. And the PCV is incapable of smoothing to a factor of nine. It's like saying both my neighbors kids can play football against adults. They can, and they do, but in any scrimmage my money is on the grownups. See the difference?

* Last updated by: Cblast on 10/18/2014 @ 9:16 AM *

"But Shane does not start with a blank canvas, he starts with a guhl ecu map from Brock."

Thanks cap, that's what I thought remember hearing, but wanted to make sure ...

So let me get this right, and please correct me if I am wrong, I am just trying to get this
right, Rachaels PERSONAL bike had a Guhl flash baseline and was there the same day as you, at the same
track, albeit two differnt bikes, but this is a little closer to "same" conditions than some
other previous matches ....

You go build a unified cylinder and gear tune with a pos V (lol) and throw up some proof with a sheet etc. I would love to see that!

Nasty, I've pretty much clicked most of the menu drilldowns, see nothing about a 'combine maps' in the pc software. Wooly's menu dropdowns does show that option.

Where exactly is that found on the menu bar, or is there an update for the pc5 software and it's found there?