This thread started out of a misunderstanding...but I shall be damned sir if someone, regardless of ethnicity or religious creed, is going to push their values and customs on me in public. Had you been there Romes I have no doubt you would've backed that guy up quick fast, in a hurry.

Zerobama says folks like me cling to our guns and bibles. My gun guarantees my ability to read any book I want. It also guarantees my ability to politely address anyone I wish. Mr Nose-to-nose better check himself.

* Last updated by: hagrid on 6/26/2012 @ 9:27 PM *

Had you been there Romes I have no doubt you would've backed that guy up quick fast, in a hurry.

In a blink, hiding behind religion not the best defense. His actions have Zero to do with Religion and may work where he's from but Not Here. We are passive people, but Not Yellow. Treating people with that kind of hatred for no good reason won't go by unnoticed for long. His # will come up. Just say'in.

Any happy thoughts,,,, Soulshaker do you own a ZX-14 ?

I think germany should take the lead again and collect them, begin gassing them. More mosques than pubs and steinhouz'inns. Drinks are on me! Mosques are now pickup bars... All is back to normal in the western world.

Yep, my boss is from England, left trying to out run it. Now it's happening here.

You cannot outrun it, it is everywhere. The situation in Europe is already beyond grave, it is hopeless.

Drinks are on me! Mosques are now pickup bars.

Hub you funny, Yep sex could fit here. With a Pig ?????

I feel the same way about Muslims as I do illegal aliens.

If you want to become a part of America, and participate in generating GNP, and protect the Constitution and Bill of Rights, I'm the first to say you should get to be a citizen as fast as possible, with as few roadblocks as possible.

But you want to hurt America, or institute policies or laws which fly in the face of the freedom guarentees in those documents, then I'm against you, whatever it takes to stop you.

Based on that criteria, I include Obama as someone who needs to be stopped. In this case, by due process of law and the electoral process.

Based on that criteria, I include Obama as someone who needs to be stopped. In this case, by due process of law and the electoral process.

Man you get my vote on that, I'm tired of all this PC crap, we are throwing away what was once a great nation because we have been brainwashed into not offending anyone. If they're wrong, offend them!!!!!!! If they come here seeking to destroy our nation, offend them!!

For the first time in history, The U.S. Armed forces celebrated, Gay, Lesbian, Transgender Pride Day, that was a couple of days ago. I wanted to puke, what's coming next, Child Molestor Appreciation Day?? When decent folks have had enough and I hope that time is approaching soon, all this nonsense is going to come to a stop.

we are throwing away what was once a great nation because we have been brainwashed into not offending anyone. If they're wrong, offend them!!!!!!! If they come here seeking to destroy our nation, offend them!!

2ND 3RD 4TH They most certainly have no problem offending us,, proud of it.

I got this one Today.

Go Dutch - - but why wait until 2013?

The Netherlands , where six per cent of the population is now Muslim, is scrapping multiculturalism.

The Dutch government says it will abandon the long-standing model of multiculturalism that has encouraged Muslim immigrants to create a parallel society within the Netherlands .

A new integration bill, which Dutch Interior Minister Piet Hein Donner presented to parliament on June 16, reads:
"The government shares the social dissatisfaction over the multicultural society model
And plans to shift priority to the values of the Dutch people.

In the new integration system, the values of the Dutch society play a central role.

With this change, the government steps away from the model of a multicultural society.

The letter continues: "A more obligatory integration is justified
Because the government also demands that from its own citizens.

It is necessary because otherwise the society gradually grows apart
And eventually no one feels at home anymore in the Netherlands .

The new integration policy will place more demands on immigrants.
For example, immigrants will be required to learn the Dutch language,
And the government will take a tougher approach to immigrants who ignore Dutch values or disobey Dutch law.

The government will also stop offering special subsidies for Muslim immigrants because, according to Donner;
"It is not the government's job to integrate immigrants." (How bloody true).

The government will introduce new legislation that outlaws forced marriages and will also impose tougher measures against Muslim immigrants who lower their chances of employment by the way they dress.

More specifically, the government will impose a ban on face-covering, Islamic burqas as of January 1, 2013.

Holland has done that whole liberal thing, and realized - maybe too late -
That creating a nation of tribes will kill the nation itself.

The future of Australia, the UK and Canada may well be read here.

READERS NOTE: Muslim immigrants leave their countries of birth because of civil and political unrest
"CREATED BY THE VERY NATURE OF THEIR CULTURE."

Countries like Holland, Canada, the UK and Australia have an established way of life that actually works,
So why embrace the unworkable? If Muslims do not wish to accept another culture, the answer is simple;
"STAY WHERE YOU ARE!!"

This gives a whole new meaning to the term; 'Dutch Courage' - Unfortunately Australian, UK, and Canadian politicians
Don't have the ... Guts to do the same. There's a whole lot of truthhere!!!!

ELECTION 2013 IS COMING

A Nation of Sheep, Breeds a Government of Wolves!

I'M 100% for PASSING THIS ON!!!
Let's Take a Stand!!!

Borders: Closed!

Language: English or French.

Culture: The Constitution is the Bill of Rights!

Drug Free: Mandatory Drug Screening before Welfare!

NO freebies to: Non-Citizens! We, the people, are coming!!!

Only 86% will send this on. Should be 100%.

What will you do?

PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!

muslims in europe

* Last updated by: alg8er on 1/7/2013 @ 12:04 AM *

I'd have to say...look at the results of the American departures from 'muslim' countries.Oh how happy they were to see the 'occupiers' leave....and then continue in earnest their sectarian bloodshed unabated.All those millions of 'good muslims'...doing what?Rebuilding?And just where might THAT be?The world is watching...no one is stopping these people from regaining lives built on desire to improve their lot in life.The whole middle east...from Saudi Arabia and all along...these countries who are very well off...where are their supports going to?For rebuilding efforts?For their shows of love and support for their struggling muslim brothers and sisters?Always an excuse.And the US is making it harder and harder to be the blame for their own resolves.WE go in...show the world what we are attempting to do with the reconstruction and all...they go in,and murder their own people trying to follow the US work.No one says shit about that...that's supposedly okay....in muslim eyes.They'll never be a part of the answer as long as they think they need to totally refuse any Western aid or expertise.Sorry....they're creating their own hell.Not us.The leaders ought to be ashamed of how they're handling their new found 'freedom'....all those lives lost for what?There are millions of out of work muslims....and millions of projects to be done....I just don't get it at all.Like most things muslim....it doesn't add up.Self.Control.Unjust judgements and death.Nice....It's not the Western world's responsibility to get these people moving in the right direction....If they weren't so scared to speak up and lay it out straight about their own 'brothers' who're murdering those who're laying there lives on the line to rebuild things...it 'might' change...but I suspect they'd rather accept the pigpen than get a real feeling about each other and their God Given uniqueness as human beings.If they want more electricity...then stop killing the electricians.I fear their mindset will never change....not in my lifetime anyway.And all those people dying for nothing.Long as their culture is based on control and punishment....the light at the end of the tunnel looks pretty darn bleak.

They come here..and for what?To institue Sharia Law?....okay...fine....institute it in yer own community....of Muslims.Non Muslims need not be subject to it...period.We have a judicial system here...which discriminates against no one(some would disagree naturally)...but it works.Very well in fact.We don't force anyone to accept 'God's Laws"...so what's the problem with the Muslims demanding the following of 'their' laws?...they can run their courts anyway they want...long as it doesn't interfere with the human rights already in place in their'host country'....which is what we are for them.If they can't accept that...they need to go back where they CAN be accepted...with their stoning and decapitaions and the rest.We don't do that here.Come here because you desire a new way of living.Leave yer tragic medieval practices back wherever.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/7/2013 @ 10:56 AM *

I Don't get it, clear I most probably Never Will.

Allow me to give you a brief Islam 101. The first thing you need to know about Islam is the importance of the book of the Quran. The Quran is Allah’s personal word, revealed by an angel to Mohammed, the prophet. This is where the trouble starts. Every word in the Quran is Allah’s word and therefore not open to discussion or interpretation. It is valid for every Muslim and for all times. Therefore, there is no such a thing as moderate Islam. Sure, there are a lot of moderate Muslims. But a moderate Islam is non-existent.

The Quran calls for hatred, violence, submission, murder, and terrorism. The Quran calls for Muslims to kill non-Muslims, to terrorize non-Muslims and to fulfil their duty to wage war: violent jihad. Jihad is a duty for every Muslim, Islam is to rule the world – by the sword. The Quran is clearly anti-Semitic, describing Jews as monkeys and pigs.

And what about their women. They account for big part ???? Why is it they don't stand up. Lost In this Hatred Game I am

Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard
Australia says NO -- Second Time she has done this!

She sure isn't backing down on her hard line stance and one has to appreciate her belief in the rights of her native countrymen.
A breath of fresh air to see someone lead. Australian Prime Minister does it again!!

The whole world needs a leader like this!

Prime Minister Julia Gillard - Australia

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

Separately, Gillard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying she supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT... Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.'

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.'

'We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

NOTE: IF we circulate this amongst ourselves in Canada & USA, WE will (?)find the courage to start speaking and voicing the same truths.
If you agree please SEND THIS ON and ON, to as many people as you know...

Bravo!!!!!.....they STILL can't get their desire to murder out of their lives....look at the middle east.Bloodshed.Solving anything?NOT.I don't mean EVERY Muslim...but you'd think someone somewhere would speak up against this senseless destruction and let the world know.Where are the Muslim leaders in all this?....silent?They certainly can't blame it on the West anymore....thank God.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/28/2013 @ 8:24 PM *

That quote was not by the prime minister. It was made by politicians being interviewed after the 2005 London tube bombings, and an editorial by a U.S. vet. One of my biggest pet peeves is people forwarding bulk emails like they were gospel. The internet has the answers if you spend 2 minutes. Sorry Romans, but like I said, pet peeve.

not true

* Last updated by: alg8er on 1/29/2013 @ 12:02 AM *

Are we still on this? Wow 18 pages.

Go read the Koran. No I am not going to spell it any other more correct way.

Whats the difference between the Koran and the Bible?

The Koran says that all people not born to Islamic parents are barbarians, and are to be converted if possible and killed if not. And even if converted, they are to be lowest caste, virtually slaves.

These are not my words, they are clearly printed in any version of the Koran you can find, unless someone hacked it.

I can't find anywhere in the bible where it says go kill anyone who doesn't believe in Christ, though I admit they were pretty harsh in the Old Testament, before the time of Christ.

And I'm not even a Christian, but I have studied both books because they are fascinating.

* Last updated by: privateer on 1/30/2013 @ 2:17 PM *

if you spend 2 minutes. Sorry Romans, but like I said, pet peeve.

Yikes, just spent my two minutes..... Ignorance was bliss, wish I knew less than I have been forced to know.

Whats the difference between the Koran and the Bible?

The Koran says that all people not born to Islamic parents are barbarians, and are to be converted if possible and killed if not.

This alone is what makes me nuts. Freedom of speech ok,, but why is the fastest growing religion in the world ???? It's all based on hate ?

People like to feel special....pride...that's what's behind most of it.Why else kill your Sunni brothers if you're a Shite...or whatever.The Turks are Muslim...yet the other sects hate em.Why is that?"i'm better than you"....that's what's mainly driving this thing...along with years of oppression by the sect with the most power.Revenge.If it's the same God...Allah...then what's stopping them from getting together and working things out?Nothing...only pride.And revenge.

Romans: sorry to make you search, but I have stock in google.

No matter what they believe, BELIEVERS of all stripes are always trying to impress their beliefs on others. Sometimes it's subtle, sometimes not so. I was watching a documentary on PBS about the Texas State School Board (a highly-politicized public body) and they are basically deciding what should be taught in public schools based upon their own religious and political beliefs. These folks, who BELIEVE themselves to be right, who BELIEVE God is a fundamentalist Christian God and on their side, are turning American History in Texas Public Schools into nothing more than right-wing propaganda. So it's not the belief so much that's dangerous, it's the BELIEVERS and how far they will go to push their views on others. In America, you are supposed to be free to believe as you see fit, but you have no right to impress those beliefs upon others. Regardless, BELIEVERS think it is their moral duty to make the rest of us think like them, and if we don't, God forbid, we shall be punished, if not by their God, then by the BELIEVERS themselves acting in "God's" behalf. You can take The Bible, The Koran, The Constitution, or whatever other ancient document you believe in and use it to suppress the beliefs of others. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?

The difference... is the pursuit of fact.

Whether it be a belief in an intangible, higher power, or the choice of the best engine lubricant, (I love oil wars!) Its the unswerving pursuit of facts that serve me best.

Through facts, I gain knowledge. Through the ponderance and practice of knowledge, I gain wisdom. Through wisdom, I bend that about me to my will.

Everyone has faith in something....everyone.Whether it be themselves,another,or some thing.Trusting a car bomb to solve your problems,or a lead weight to save ya in the ocean....it does depend on what you place your faith in.Hagrid said "facts"....perfect!There is a truth and there is a counterfeit---in everything.

* Last updated by: Grn14 on 1/31/2013 @ 7:09 PM *

I agree. Everyone has a right to their own opinion. Nobody has a right to their own facts. Extrapolating opinions or beliefs into "facts" is the act of a True Believer. I read the Eric Hoffer book of the same name 45 years ago. Still holds true.

* Last updated by: Danno on 1/31/2013 @ 11:50 PM *

Please read entire story, we should be very, very concerned about this!

> And to think that Fox News was the only channel that reported this. They
> may be "politically incorrect", but at least they had the
> "balls" to report it.

> In my opinion, the Muslims are all getting very brave now. Read Tedd
> Petruna's story below. Can you imagine, our own news media now are so
> politically correct that they are afraid to report that these were all Muslims?

> Unbelievable. Thank God for people like Tedd Petruna.

> Tedd Petruna is a diver at the NBL (Neutral Buoyancy Lab) facility at
> NASA Houston .
> Tedd happened to be on the AirTran Flight 297, from Atlanta
> to Houston .
> Here's his report :

> "One week ago, I went to Ohio
> on business and to see my father. On Tuesday, the 17th, I returned home. If you
> read the papers the 18th you may have seen a blurb about where an Air Tran
> flight was canceled from Atlanta to Houston due to a man who
> refused to get off of his cell phone before take- off.. The story was only on
> Fox News. That was NOT what really happened.

> I was seated in 1st class coming home. Eleven Muslim men got on the plane
> in full Muslim attire. Two of them sat in 1st class and the rest seated
> themselves throughout the plane, in coach class, all the way to the back. As
> the plane taxied out to the runway, the stewardesses gave the safety spiel that
> we are all so familiar with.

> At that time, one of the men in 1st class, got on his cell and called one
> of his companions back in coach. He proceeded to talk on the phone in Arabic
> very loudly and very, very aggressively. This activity took the 1st stewardess
> out of action for she repeatedly told the man that cell phones were
> not permitted
> at that time. He ignored her as if she were not there. The man, who answered
> the phone back in the coach section, did the same and this took out the 2nd
> stewardess. Further back in the plane, at the same time, two younger Muslims,
> one in the back on the aisle, and one sitting in front of him by the window,
> began to show footage of a porno video they had taped the night before. They
> were very loud about it.

> The 3rd stewardess informed the two men that they were not to have any
> electronic devices on at this time. One of the men said "shut up infidel
> dog!"

> The stewardess attempted to take the camcorder and the Muslim began to
> scream in her face in Arabic. At that exact moment, all eleven of the men got
> up and started to walk throughout the cabin. I guess that because of the noise,
> the flight crew must have decided that there was something amiss and changed
> the plane's directions to head back to the terminal.

> The commotion and noise was reaching a feverish pitch, and at this point
> I had had enough! I got up and started towards the back of 1st class when I
> heard a voice behind me from another Texan twice my size, say, "I got your
> back." Then I grabbed the man, who had been on the cell phone, by the arm
> and said, "You WILL sit down in your seat or you WILL be thrown from this
> plane!" As I "led" him around me to take his seat, the fellow
> Texan grabbed him by the back of his neck and his waist and headed him back to
> his seat. I then grabbed the 2nd man and said, "You WILL do the same!"

> He protested loudly, but my adrenaline was flowing now and he was going
> to go also. Just as I escorted him forward, the plane stopped, the doors opened
> and three TSA agents and four police officers entered the cabin. Myself and my new Texas

> friend were told to cease and desist for they had the situation under control.

> I was quite happy to oblige, actually. There was still some sort of
> commotion in the back, but within moments, all eleven Muslim men were escorted
> off the plane. The TSA agents then had their luggage unloaded. We talked about
> the occurrence and were in disbelief that it had happened.

> Then suddenly, the door opened again and in walked all eleven Muslim men!
> Stone faced, eyes front and robotic, (the only way I can describe it) and they
> were reseated. The stewardess from the back had been in tears and when she saw
> the men, she was having NONE of it! Since I was up front, I heard and saw the
> whole ordeal. She told the TSA agents that there was NO WAY she was staying on
> the plane with the Muslim men. The agent told her that they had searched the
> men and were going through their luggage with a fine tooth comb. However,
> nothing had been found and that the men were allowed to proceed on to Houston .
> The captain and co-captain came out of the cockpit and told the agent,
> "We and our crew will not fly this plane!" After a word or two, the
> entire crew, luggage in tow, left the plane. Five minutes later, the cabin door
> opened again and a whole new crew walked on. Again, this was where I had had
> enough! I got up and asked the TSA agent,"What the hell is going on?

> I was told to take my seat. The airlines and TSA were sorry for the delay
> and we would be home shortly. I said, "I'm getting off this plane".
> The stewardess sternly told me that she could not allow me to get off. Now I'm
> really mad! I said, "I am a grown man who bought this ticket, whose time
> is mine, with a family at home, and I am going through that door, or I'm going
> through that door with you under my arm, but I AM going through that
> door!"

> And then I heard a voice behind me say, "So am I!" Then
> everyone behind us started to get up and say the same thing. Within two
> minutes, I was walking off that plane where I was met by more TSA agents, who
> asked me to write a statement about the incident. I had five hours to kill at
> this point waiting for the next flight to Houston,
> so why the hell not give them my statement. Due to the amount of people who
> got off that flight, it was canceled. I was supposed to be in Houston
> at 6 PM, but I finally got there at
> 12:30 AM. If you don't believe this, look up the date and then Flight
> 297 from Atlanta to Houston.

> If this wasn't a terrorism dry run, I don't know what is. The terrorists
> wanted to see how TSA would handle it, how the crew would handle it, and how
> the passengers would handle it. I'm telling this to you because I want you to
> know. The threat IS real. I saw it with my own eyes."

> Tedd Petruna