It looks to me that the pcv is just a revised version of a pciii and pciii accessories, right or wrong?
what i mean is that a pciii with a hub, handlebar map switch, ignition module, etc. will do the exact same thing as a pcv...or will the pcv do something the pciii will not>?

Good price for a PC5,
$290, shipped:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=140321686208
Same seller has the autotune for $230, shipped. Not as discounted as the PC5, but still a good price.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DYNOJET-POWER-COMMANDER-V-AUTOTUNE-MODULE-FOR-METRIC_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZQ7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a30QQ_trksidZp4634Q2ec0Q2em14Q2el1262QQhashZitem20abd59b92QQitemZ140321856402QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

* Last updated by: DogoZX on 5/19/2009 @ 10:57 AM *

1minerman wrore:It looks to me that the pcv is just a revised version of a pciii and pciii accessories, right or wrong?

I haven't owned the 3 or the 5 yet but I did a good deal of research and it looks like the PCV is a wee bit more adjustable/has more increments for slightly finer tune???? Also it is about half the size of the PCIII. The PCV can accept auto tune accessory where the PCIII can't. IMO, if I already had a PCIII hooked up and was happy, I'd stick with it.

Also, the PCV has the ability to map for specific speed of the vehicle and map for each cylinder and each gear. I guess it's a more refined gadget but I haven't heard people dumping their PCIII to upgrade to the PCV yet. I'd wait and listen and enjoy the PCIII for now.

Rook

* Last updated by: Rook on 5/21/2009 @ 8:41 AM *

b00fa wrote:A faster way would be to have the bike dyno'd to get the map and then the autotune will just adjust all the trims setting on the bike on the fly because they are within 20% to begin with in the custom map.

Hopefully a custom tune would bring the tune close to 95% optimum. I would imagine that an autotune adjustment to a "perfect custom tune" would be advantageous under different riding a/o weather conditions.

How close in optimization can the autotuner get to a custom tune? Is a custom tune clearly better or will autotune achieve the same end as a custom tune?

Rook

not sure, I have sent dynojet an email to better explain the auto tune function and how it works my tuner didn't know much about it either and was curious as well

* Last updated by: b00fa on 5/21/2009 @ 10:35 AM *

I have the 07 ZZR/ZX14.
I am going to mount a Motty AFR(Motty next month.

I have seen one here in norway with the motty and it works well fore sure.. the powerincrease in the 3-5' range is good and after that the only thing you think about is how the hell to hang on to the bike.

Dunno much about the PCV autotune but if its half as good as Motty it is exellent.

tell the PCV to accept the A/F trim settings

Is air fuel ratio # pre set

The V takes a bung. You now run closed loop. Motty is closed loop and that takes a bung.

You're kind of leaving open loop but not really. Fascinating actually, where instead of the PC3 setting the trim time; it now finds a more accurate read [of itself] on the exhaust end with the 02 sensor; for the PCV needs the bung to work the [PCV/Motty] maps; I do believe, these are basically the same units using the 02 sensors.

I guess what I am asking here is, does the auto tune make the recommendations based on 13.1,13.3,13.5 air fuel ratio. How does V know where or what #'s gives us the most Hp&torque? Are the air fuel ratio #'s fixed or can you ask in the software for a setting of your choosing? The bung just sniffs out the current # and the software must make recommended changes based on a preset that is chosen by who ? I am just trying to think my way around the software. If the changes are recommended at a 20% max there must also be a safety from the 14.7 . Are you restricted in the settings or has Dyno jet decided for the zx-14 what the best air fuel #'s are to be and makes all recommended changes from that point? Maybe I am just over thinking the whole thing but I sure would like to get my hands on one. cheers.

Think like this. Peak HP can be any ratio. The holy grail of 12 or 13:1 are just numbers. If 12:1 has P-HP one day, your PcV is set at 13:1 that day at peak-hp. The Pc does not know where peak is? So it will auto to run 20% off the base map you made.

It still has to follow open loop because you did not swap the ECM to run closed loop. You have a remote box that just triggers a wet or dry 02. So, if you are rich spitting wet at the 02, those drops will cool the glow plug and this sends the current down in voltage so the Pc can communicate with the 02.

Once that 02 senses a rich set, it should lean out and then balance out the 20% worth of wet [or dry] where it will move 20% either way to fall within your pre-map. Now the autotune reads the constant of the 02 and then rolls over to 20% of that window of Peak, say.

So, if you have peak-hp for the run, you keep the 20% window out of the loop, or you are down 20% off of peak. That is what it sounds like it could do if you set the auto in gear.

* Last updated by: Hub on 5/24/2009 @ 6:51 AM *

I have not had alot of time to play with my pc v,but I do know for sure I can change the air fuel ratio values .I have mine wired up with the switch installed.When the switch is open it is running the base map and not tuning,when I close the switch it goes into learning mode which is adjusting to the set air fuel ratio trims(which I can cange or leave default).For a base map I used the 2009 zx14 stock filter and exhaust because I have no mods hooked up for now. After a ride I hook up the laptop and go into the software and accept the trims that the autotuner adjusted. When you disable the autotuner in the software the swith acts like a toggle between 2 maps, say a power map or switch to a fuel economy map.
I have been just using the default afr settings for a stock set up for now which is from 13.0 to 13,6 , but you can manually change them in the tables. Been to busy out int the fields so this is far as I got. Wished Hub could get a hold of one of these to play with to explain it better hehe !

Oh yeah if you get one DON'T forget to put the little black plug into the autotuner or it will not work !!

Once that 02 senses a rich set, it should lean out and then balance out the 20% worth of wet [or dry] where it will move 20% either way to fall within your pre-map. Now the autotune reads the constant of the 02 and then rolls over to 20% of that window of Peak, say.

But it will not make any changes until we go back into the software and tell it to reset with the new #'s, Right ? It does not make any changes on it's own only recommendations up to 20% at one time . Am I getting this or did or did it fly right over ?

that 20% can be changed to any number I have mine at +/- 3% now that it has been dyno tuned

After a ride I hook up the laptop and go into the software and accept the trims that the autotuner adjusted.

But until you accept the new values it does nothing, correct? So is it a data logger ? Sounds very similar to a wide band commander ? And now it is called Auto tuner and is 200$ less. Or did I miss it again ? Sorry If i'm being a pain here guys But I really want to understand this one. This pc5 is sounding better and better all the time. I was looking at the wide band commander with the hub a while back, but it is over 500$.

I think but not sure but you should be able to use those trims to build yourself a map but it takes time to do it. I had mine tuned to get the map and now I just let the autotune adjust the settings on the fly +/- 3% I don't have to accept anymore trims.

I was asking Jason at Brock's about the O2 sensor needed for auto-tune, and the problem with that on Brock's exhausts is they don't have the bung in them. I guess not a real problem, but I want black ceramic and cutting a hole for the bung and welding it would really mess the ceramic up.

Oh well....

* Last updated by: privateer on 5/25/2009 @ 4:46 PM *

^^ oh well, yes but that is a good point. Maybe there is some other way to fasten the bung than welding it.

Maybe there is some other way to fasten the bung than welding it.

Dunno, they didn't offer any alternatives. I don't think you can just drill and tap and screw it in, because it would leak through the threads and/or come lose. Considering how hot it gets.

I wonder if they could have the pipes made with the bung all the time. Don't some exhaust makes come with them? So there must be a way to close them off if you don't use it? Never paid attention or needed an O2 bung until now. Heh.

btw, Rook, we have the same bike, except I left (and will continue to leave) my flies in. Love how they look in the sun !

there is a plug with a copper washer that screws into the bung to close it off and on the stock head pipe for my zx14 there is a round boss where they mount the sensor for the California emission sensor and it is the only location I could put the bung to make it fit

* Last updated by: b00fa on 5/26/2009 @ 5:22 AM *

If you look at the header, and right were the last part of the pipe is now horizontal? If you can find a Connie, they have two bung holding blocks there, meaning, there is where the 02 is placed for the Euro bikes. Take a ride to a dealer so you can see where the factory places theirs.

The PCV add is what I understand, might be a marketing language that is less complicated to mean she runs in the 02 = Autotune. I am going to take a guess again, that if there are two maps, one would run like a PCIII the other would be switched to the 02 and that is PCV or set reading the 02 with that little piggy you need with the PCV?

It's all about setting up the software to tell who to do what is the PCV seems it can hose down the cylinder +100% wet or shut the injector off where it would be -100% turned off. Now, that is how I would read it in my non-logical head is that range in the add >> -100%/+100% <<<. Now, the 250+ seems that the 8 injectors being the two tier type, you can bleed into the a-N with the D-J = 250%. Again, that is what I see how it would add more than the 100+ range. Don't quote me. I am trying to walk the steps of the fuel cuts and auto read is market my, Auto02Me---------Or PeeSea3ME is Map2.

Now, you have that Motty job and that seems like a nice tuning war to play with. But that is buck$ up to handle the money part buying both. I am preset for a plug inn is bedding for two. Down the road you that bought the whole package can lettuce ride. The garden is first; ain't it always something else keeping you from the toys.

Good Luck with the new toys, Boys/Gals.

This is an ad by Dynojet and I will try to describe the points they are discussing in the hubbish:

* Reduced Size
Won't help. Ask others where they park theirs.

* 2 Position Map Switching Function Built In
If the instruction booklet is on line, I rather you chase the correct answer than me guessing at it.

* Analog Input
I have no clue about this one, short of guessing the 'analog' is use any sensor? Wire? Where does that wire go? I am at a wall without the next step is step through the wall.

* Gear Input
I can see it map wise, but not wire wise. So, I am not about to touch this one [either] without the wire diagram on the Dyno side of their unit and who goes where.

* -100%/+250% Fuel Change Range
Again, do not quote me, but if it says up from -100%/+100% to the 250+ range, you cannot up bleed to 250% if the 100+ for one injector is full on flooding or locked open 100%. You can pull the other 150% out of year azz, sit on it till a chic hatches.

* Built In Quick Shifter Adjustability
Sensor and shift rod is not included as with the 02 and Autotune. But sounds like a kill stall for solenoid shifting.

I do not know if this helped or I just chewed my cabbage twice. But no matter what I do or what I say....

"Dis IS for RACING PURPOSES ONLY!"

* Last updated by: Hub on 5/26/2009 @ 7:40 AM *

So hub, when you getting one It will be fun .

I may have something cooking with a little R&D... Can't say anything yet.

Hello,I spoke to Schnitz Racing and they guarenteed that it will work even on the 06 and it is the same part number as the 09 part number. I have not ordered one for myself yet but expect to in the next week or two.
AL De

Hey with Brock looking in here. I can say from my knowledge of the man He can provide the correct awnser. He can make a bike run WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. AND THIS IS NO ADVERTISMENT BUT IF YOU ARE NEAR HIM OR NEED PARTS BUY FROM HIM THE WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE THAT GOES INTO EVERY ITEM THAT HE SELLS IS WORTH ITS WEIGHT IN GOLD. i HAVE BEEN THERE AND I KNOW.
DID YOU ALL KNOW BROCKS MIDDLE NAME ID "R & D"

* Last updated by: ALDe on 5/28/2009 @ 10:01 PM *