Ok so I've never been patient....
I installed the PC5 this afternoon.

First, my bike is an '06 and the PC5 works great! So if anyone still has concerns of the PC5 working on '06-'07's, put 'em to bed.

Second, I was wrong about the software being the same. Sorry.
However, all I had to do to load my '06-'07 PC3 map onto the PC5 is copy and paste the PC3 map onto the PC5 cells. Only catch is that the PC5 has an extra bank of cells for 15% throttle position. The PC3 jumps from 10%-20%. To fill in the 15% TP bank on the PC5, I split the difference between the 10% and 20% TP on the PC3 map. For example, if at 5000rpms the 10% TP was -2 and the 20% TP was 10, I would fill in the 15% cell as 4. Don't know if that's the best way to do it, but I figured that should atleast get me in the ballpark and the autotune can take it from there.

Still haven't installed the autotune, though. I'm waiting for my new pipe and I also ordered a set of block off plates for the AIS. I'm thinking I'm gonna have to get rid of my TRE if I'm gonna map for each gear individually. I'm very excited that I am finally going to have the ability to do my own mapping. I did some tinkering with the maps on my PC3, but w/o a datalogger, it was always just a shot in the dark as to whether or not adjustments were gonna be good for or harm the bike's performance.

Now someone else with a first gen go pick up a PC5 and autotune so that we can exchange and compare our own custom maps!

Meat
Tenderizer said:"I would think the blocked valve will cause a carbon up situation over time, or will it ?"

It will! It will soak the fuel on the outside of the valve. Inside it is light brown burning on the valve table. But on the tulip side call it, she is loading up on carbon crevices. That will hold the fuel you were suppose to get. So, lean is a little on the carbon buildup.

PC3 map onto the PC5 is copy and paste the PC3 map onto the PC5 cells.

I tried this one row at a time and kept getting the same error message : list index is out of bounds -1.

I've read this PC 5 maps "on the fly"? Does it create a map for that session of riding,or is this a "permanent" map from the time it's created?

I would think it reads off what you first plotted. The auto then reads the wet/lean off the 02 and it is so minute of a correction... It more cleans up the fat for some sweeter leaner tasting grilling.

1. PCV - Semi closed loop
2. PCIII - Open loop
3. Bazzaz - Semi closed loop
4. Motty - Semi closed loop

Who error codes less?
Who performs better than the list?
Who needs more R&D or tech line with too many error codes that should walk to your thinking.

Either you are fighting the steps or the steps are not explained well enough so you do not error on an entry. WATT is the story?

I can literally hang 4 units on the bike and plug one in at a time. If the Motty does not match the Bazzaz on the sniff when both say they are spitting said stoic [be it 12:1 or 12:4 to 1] it better match the sniffer or she is not within that range and now the sniff is one number. The other pigs are the other number.

Now you have to dial in a phantom number [on a piggy that has mis-matching stoic software] that will read your peak stoic by seat of the pants say and there is your peak stoic setting. The hot software is to thumb-push your stoic to it's peak and there you go. Ass I felt it come on with a push of the thumb. Set it and go!

Two hours later with the sun up and/or going down... I again, chase peak stoic > On the fly. YOu have to hand fill this way with these units. Maybe one day the push-button peak stoic is not far away. Data is how I'd setup the software.

* Last updated by: Hub on 5/30/2009 @ 10:27 AM *

I tried this one row at a time and kept getting the same error message : list index is out of bounds -1

Hmmm, I never got any error messages.
When I pasted the PC3 map into the PC5 program, the only issue I had was that (because of the 15% TP bank) the subsequent banks of cells were one row off. So for example, the 100% TP cells were in the 80% bank, the 80% cells were in the 60% bank, the 60%'s were in the 40% bank, The 40%'s were in the 20%'s, and the 20%'s were in the 15% bank. So I just moved those banks into their proper TP% and, like I said, split the difference between the 10% and 20% TP for the 15% values.
I used the same values for 11750 and 12000 rpms as the PC3 map had for 11500 rpms since that is were that map stopped. Figured the autotune could correct those values, if I do use the Rev X-Tend feature.

The bike is running just like it was with my PC3 (I flogged it pretty hard), so I'm sure the map is is working with the PC5.

Here is my map converted for the PC5:
the verticle columns are the TP%'s, from left to right, o%, 2%, 5%, 10%, 15%, 20%, 40%, 60%, 80%, 100%.
the horizontal rows are the rpms, top to bottom, 500rpm's, 750rpm's, 1000rpm's, etc. through 12000rpm's.

0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
-4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
19 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
11 9 -6 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
4 -1 -3 9 0 0 0 -13 -9 -11
10 8 4 0 -3 -6 9 -22 -15 -10
11 12 10 8 10 12 -8 -3 -9 -13
13 9 0 2 9 15 0 8 -6 -7
-2 0 -12 -1 0 0 -11 -10 -12 -2
-3 -3 -6 9 16 23 10 16 6 22
-6 4 6 11 23 34 15 16 10 18
12 11 12 7 13 19 15 15 9 30
15 16 12 7 13 19 19 18 20 17
5 7 11 3 5 7 14 3 7 9
0 2 4 4 6 7 12 6 4 7
-4 -3 1 3 7 10 9 6 5 4
-5 -4 1 6 8 11 11 8 1 -3
-5 -4 3 8 9 11 12 8 0 -2
2 1 7 9 11 12 11 5 0 1
0 4 11 9 11 12 8 4 3 -2
8 10 14 9 10 10 6 2 -1 -2
10 10 10 5 6 7 4 -2 -5 -7
6 6 8 7 8 8 6 1 -7 -7
12 6 9 10 10 10 3 1 -5 -8
12 8 16 12 11 10 2 2 -3 -7
0 10 18 16 13 10 8 6 -3 -6
0 10 19 15 12 8 8 9 -1 -4
0 13 15 13 10 7 9 6 -2 -2
0 0 7 10 5 1 8 4 0 -1
0 0 4 8 4 1 6 3 -3 -1
0 0 3 -3 -1 1 5 2 -3 -4
0 0 0 24 14 -3 4 2 -3 -5
0 0 0 20 12 -4 4 -1 -4 -4
0 0 0 19 9 -8 4 -1 -1 -6
0 0 0 17 7 -10 3 -2 0 -4
0 0 0 15 9 3 1 -2 -2 -6
0 0 0 18 19 20 0 -4 -3 -6
0 0 0 18 19 21 -3 -5 -3 -7
0 0 0 18 19 20 -5 -6 -6 -7
0 0 0 18 18 18 -10 -9 -7 -10
0 0 0 0 9 17 -11 -12 -8 -12
0 0 0 0 8 15 4 5 -5 -7
0 0 0 0 7 13 12 15 15 2
0 0 0 0 5 10 7 14 14 3
0 0 0 0 5 10 7 14 14 3
0 0 0 0 5 10 7 14 14 3

It will! It will soak the fuel on the outside of the valve. Inside it is light brown burning on the valve table. But on the tulip side call it, she is loading up on carbon crevices. That will hold the fuel you were suppose to get. So, lean is a little on the carbon buildup.

So do you think, after I install the block off plates, I should occasionally pull them and clean off the build up?

I've read this PC 5 maps "on the fly"? Does it create a map for that session of riding,or is this a "permanent" map from the time it's created?

I have not used my autotune yet, but the way I understand it, it doesn't automatically change the map. You tell it what a/f ratio you want. Go for a ride so that the autune can get some readings, then when you plug the PC5 back into your computer, it will give you trim suggestions on how to acheive your desired a/f. You decide whether or not to accept the autotune's suggestions.

Go for a ride so that the autune can get some readings, then when you plug the PC5 back into your computer, it will give you trim suggestions on how to acheive your desired a/f. You decide whether or not to accept the autotune's suggestions.

No shit?!? That is pretty neat.

Valve wise, Dogo, It was strange that I scoped my valves for carbon. On the PAIR side, she was a clean intake on the two centers. But get this... I say this because of the raw data consistency; so what other conclusion can I draw?

I race wrapped the exhaust [2/3] up to the exhaust flanges. No carbon. On 1 and 4, I had the wrap stop a few inches from the flanges. I now look at those and darn if 1 and 4 were consistent with more carbon collecting than 3 and 2'z is intake valves.

Racing wise, you are breaking down the power plant for inspection and cleaning. Street wise? I would not even bother for the life of the bike, unless a tear down was somewhere in the history; something needed work and the head needed to come off. Then yes; new guide seals [after inspection] and all that de-carbon before assembly.

You call that one, Dogo. It hurts performance sucking out nipple at both ends, Charlie.

Dog,if you don't mind, please post what changes are recommended to the map you are using . We now have a copy of what you started with. I know this must have taken you a while to post. May I ask what or who's map this is ? The reason I am asking is that I have been watching and taking a real good look at the end results of all maps from 2006 on(my own study). For example, wide open throttle #'s are so different then what I expected to see. What year is your bike and what are your mods ? I am willing to bet your auto tune recommends big changes. This will be interesting to see.I hope you post your data log . Cheers.

Okay-I'm stupid-How would one know what optimum a/f ratio one needed?

Okay-I'm stupid-How would one know what optimum a/f ratio one needed?

Figuring that out is going to be the fun part!
From what I understand, 13:1 a/f will give you the best dyno numbers and 12:8-12:9 a/f will give the best street performance.
I'm starting out with all of the a/f cells at 13:1 and the autotune trim suggestions (the maxiumum % of change it will reccomend) set at 20%. Over time, I will reduce the trim suggestion % and I'm sure change some of the a/f cells to optimize the engines performance.
Someone else please chime in if you have some input on optimal a/f. Especially different a/f at certain rpm's and/or speeds.

Dog,if you don't mind, please post what changes are recommended to the map you are using . We now have a copy of what you started with. I know this must have taken you a while to post. May I ask what or who's map this is ? The reason I am asking is that I have been watching and taking a real good look at the end results of all maps from 2006 on(my own study). For example, wide open throttle #'s are so different then what I expected to see. What year is your bike and what are your mods ? I am willing to bet your auto tune recommends big changes. This will be interesting to see.I hope you post your data log . Cheers.

No problem, I was planning on posting that info already. And I am hoping other guys will do the same. Once I install the autotune, I will start a new thread to keep everyone posted on how the tuning is going.
The map I'm starting with is the Muzzy M10, flies out map. I've been told it is one of the better base maps floating around, and infact is very similar to Brock's flies out map. I figure if it is good enough for two of the heaviest hitters in performance, it should be a good starting point for me.

My bike is an '06 and the current mods are:

Hindle standard (2" core) megaphone exhaust
Flies out
BMC race
Factory Pro 25mm velocity stacks
43t (+2) rear sprocket
GiPro w/ ATRE

However, when I install the autotune, I'm changing the exhaust to a Hindle race (2.25" core) header and a Brock's Alien Head pipe.
I'm also also 99.9% sure I'm going to have to take off the TRE if I want to map for each gear.
And my next tire change I'm planning to go from the 190/50 rear to a 190/55. Since I don't want the bigger tire to slow me down, I'll probably install a 16t (-1) front sprocket and possibly jump up to a 44t (+3) rear.
Will be interesting to see how the tire and gearing changes affect the mapping.

* Last updated by: DogoZX on 5/31/2009 @ 10:28 AM *

Here is an example what I am going to fall into is a brick wall and product. I found a part for the chopper build. I needed to see if this manufacturer was the owner of this product or were I could find parts or will his parts fit? I wanted to see if they physically had more a universal fit with this special end I could not salvage with the other parts I had.

Internet wise, I asked if they could use some sort of How-To and use their product to show a few tricks. I rode up on the 14 there. So,first thing is point out in a subtle way is that I didn't really NEED their product for some sort of how-to if I do not use their product to begin wit.

I sort of offered to use his product on either the chopper or the 14. He then told me he had another more established website that handled a product swap for swap. Once I heard the name, I did notice they were front runners on someone'$ travel expense and sneeze bar.

So, it is more out of pocket for me and to own 4-units is for watt? Dogo has the goods and he needs to bung up. I have 3 exhaust systems and they just sit there. Yeah, sneeze dis is sniff my rear if this sneeze bars will tip the tech day hub way or day highway.

They own Superman diapers is go road test it now discuss how slow you went is the potential of the bike? Dis IS de underwear ground.

I'll Sips&Watch use is go at it is smoke that 1Atmo = ?!

chime in if you have some input on optimal a/f

You might try M17-012-003 or M17-012-004 air fuel ratio numbers. These vary in the different rpm ranges. I would assume these were made on the dyno for best results. I would think this would be a great starting place. I am also putting myself in your shoes and am wondering how you are going to do your learn run. Ride the bike in 4th gear flip the learn switch and hold wide open, then switch off ? What did you have in mind ?

You might try M17-012-003 or M17-012-004 air fuel ratio numbers. These vary in the different rpm ranges. I would assume these were made on the dyno for best results. I would think this would be a great starting place. I am also putting myself in your shoes and am wondering how you are going to do your learn run. Ride the bike in 4th gear flip the learn switch and hold wide open, then switch off ? What did you have in mind ?

Wish I could check the a/f for those maps, however for some reason my computer will not open any of the PCV maps downloaded from DJ. Have you tried? Here's the a/f map that was preloaded on my PC5. Do the numbers look similar to M17-012-003 or M17-012-004?

0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2
0 13.2 13.4 13.4 13.4 13.4 13.3 13.2 13.2 13.2
0 13.2 13.4 13.4 13.4 13.4 13.3 13.2 13.2 13.2
0 13.2 13.4 13.4 13.4 13.4 13.3 13.2 13.2 13.2
0 13.2 13.4 13.6 13.6 13.6 13.3 13.2 13.2 13.2
0 13.2 13.4 13.6 13.6 13.6 13.3 13.2 13.2 13.2
0 13.2 13.4 13.6 13.6 13.6 13.3 13.2 13.2 13.2
0 13.2 13.4 13.6 13.6 13.6 13.3 13.2 13.2 13.2
0 13.2 13.4 13.6 13.6 13.6 13.3 13.2 13 13
0 13.2 13.4 13.6 13.6 13.6 13.3 13.2 13 13
0 13.2 13.4 13.6 13.6 13.6 13.3 13.2 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.4 13.4 13.4 13.3 13.2 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.4 13.4 13.4 13.3 13.2 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.4 13.4 13.2 13.2 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.4 13.4 13.2 13.2 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.4 13.4 13.2 13.2 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13 13
0 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13 13
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

I actually wasn't planning on installing a switch to change between maps and/or learn mode. The more I think about it, however, it may be necccesary to turn the autotune off if I only want it to log a particular gear at a time. I guess I'll just figure that out after I play with it.

What are you guys already runnin' the autotune doin'?

I just havit it running all the time without the switch

I just havit it running all the time without the switch

Are you having it map for each gear or all gears?
If all gears, would you need a switch to only have it datalog an individual gear?

Also....
Does anyone know if you can weld mild steele to stainless?
The bung that came with the autotune is mild... but my exhaust, ofcourse, is stainless.

however for some reason my computer will not open any of the PCV maps downloaded from DJ. Have you tried? Here's the a/f map that was preloaded on my PC5. Do the numbers look similar to M17-012-003 or M17-012-004?

Wow, I have almost two hours of time trying to cut and paste and I no can do. I'm getting ready to call a Guru in to look at my PC (how did you do it) .On the other hand, I have been able to download all Pc-5 maps. The #'s you show look just like the ones in the pic that I posted. I will go back and look at all their maps to see if this is their default setting. Cheers. Boofa, has auto tune recommend very many changes to your tuned map ?

There is only four maps you can download from their site: LeoVince Full, Muzzy M-10 Full, Yosh R77 Full and the all Zeros map. The Air fuel ratio #'s looks the same in all maps. Preset maybe ?

can weld mild steele to stainless?

Wow, I have almost two hours of time trying to cut and paste and I no can do. I'm getting ready to call a Guru in to look at my PC (how did you do it) .On the other hand, I have been able to download all Pc-5 maps. The #'s you show look just like the ones in the pic that I posted. I will go back and look at all their maps to see if this is their default setting.

I just did the copy and paste the normal way:
Click and hold the left mouse buton while highlighting the cells you want to copy
Click right mouse button ,hightlight copy and click left button
Go to pc5 program and put the cursor where you wanna paste
Right click, highlight paste, left click

Are you maybe trying to cut rather than copy? Dunno know if that's the problem, but I don't know what else the issue could be???.... Then again, I have no idea why I can't open any of the pc5 maps downloaded for the zx14, however, just for shits and giggles I downloaded the zx10r pc5 maps and they open up for me no problem!

If the a/f ratios are infact default for the PC5, the instructions say the they were chosen as a compromise of performance and fuel economy... if I cared about fuel economy I wouldn't own a zx14!

Normal way, she no work . I still get the same error. In your case, sounds like maybe your map files are still zipped ?

Normal way, she no work . I still get the same error. In your case, sounds like maybe your map files are still zipped ?

Could be???

I get a pop up that says "Can't create output file"

How do I unzip 'em?

When you down loaded the maps did you notice where they went ? If not go back and down load again, take a good look as to there location. Go there and then right click on the c-clamp,. The loader can't see them while they are zipped. This is what I had to do . Maybe the same ? Computers and I, NOT SO MUCH.

I've downloaded them a dozen times.
I've tired opening them in several different programs.
I'm sure you're right, they are still zipped.
However, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO UNZIP THEM.
If I right click tha C-clamp (zip icon) then hit open, I get the error message.
I DON'T GET IT!!!

Hey, if you already have them unzipped, can you send them to me???
I can send you my converted map if you want it.

* Last updated by: DogoZX on 6/1/2009 @ 7:40 PM *

Should be there in 5,4,3,2,1, Now

Got 'em and they opened for me.
Thanks!

BTW, I compared the afr tables for all of the maps and they are all the same. I think it's safe to say that they have a default setting.

* Last updated by: DogoZX on 6/1/2009 @ 8:26 PM *